When Another Bf Group Invades Your Campsite - While Your Still In It!

[Guest CaptainMorgan]

As some of you may know, when I go out, it's more like an expedition than a 2 day trip with an arm load of stuff.

I waited till the 5th for Bumping Lake to clear out and left early in the morning to go set up. Set up cameras on hundreds of feet of cable in multiple directions, trail cams, you name it. In the tent I have a PC, a monitor, KB mouse, 2x 110AH batteries that weight 71 lbs each. So saying it takes a couple of hours to set up and a couple to tear down is no joke. And to do this, I expect to be able to camp for a full week at a time to justify the labor.

Now for the good stuff.

So this morning after only 2 hours of sleep, I was awakened by the sounds of a dog and children at 7:00am. I ask the lady what she was doing in my camp and she said she was with the BFRO, and asked if my name was #####. I said, no this is my camp, I'm already set up here doing full-time recording and that they need to go to any of the OTHER 2 dozen plus camps along the road there. She told me she wasn't leaving, they were "all gonna be there for ###'s birthday" and despite pointing out that she is uncouth has a huge lapse in common sense, she proceeded to pound stakes in the ground and set up camp! She informed me that this was "public property and that I couldn't make her leave and that several others would be arriving with dogs and children for the rest of the week."

The USFS won't do anything about it so I had to pack up all my gear, cameras, cables, tarps, PC, batteries, ice chest, tent . . . . and leave. I had to forfeit my bonafide research camp for her celebrity BFRO b'day event because that's the exact spot they wanted.

I recall a huge fuss about one group outing another groups location, but actually SEIZING IT and telling someone "if they don't like they can leave" is one of the most ignorant things I've ever encountered. This person isn't even a researcher herself, she is loosely associated with some WA folks and floats around to these events.

Anyways I'm hopping mad and if she hadn't had her small children with her, well things may have gone differently, but I took the higher road.

As far as I'm concerned they owe me a public apology for this selfish and unethical behavior.

/rant

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Edited July 8, 2011 by CaptainMorgan

[Matt Pruitt]

PM me the person's name, and I'll talk to them. I agree; that doesn't seem very fair or diplomatic at all.

[Guest]

Well I don't blame you. I would put some serious thought into dressing as a demented homeless person camping in the park the next time I sat up camp. Then as I was talking to her I would break her space bubble and follow her around while she is trying to set up saying I would "I'll do that fur ye if'n I can have a piece a burfday cake". I can guarantee that she would have left.

[Doc Holliday]

Well I don't blame you. I would put some serious thought into dressing as a demented homeless person camping in the park the next time I sat up camp. Then as I was talking to her I would break her space bubble and follow her around while she is trying to set up saying I would "I'll do that fur ye if'n I can have a piece a burfday cake". I can guarantee that she would have left.

throw in a hockey mask ,banjo music & some flatulence.....keep telling her "u got sum purty teef", yeah , she'll probably be ready to move along then

[bipedalist]

You fergot the chaw and spittin' a littl' bacca juice around her stakes......

[Guest wudewasa]

Cap,

Been there in similar situations nonbigfoot.

You took the high road and avoided a confrontation. That is admirable. You lost the battle, but maybe future campaigns will turn in your favor.

I'm not sure how to handle such a situation myself, as I tend to call people's bluffs when they attempt to intimidate me. When respect is not received, I'm pretty stingy in returning it. One way to handle the encounter would be to say "I see. While you are occupying this area, please keep your children and pets away from my property. I have the right to protect myself and my investments." The person can run her mouth all she wants, but when her precious puppy gets pepper spray in its face after attempting to urinate on your tent, the bullies get the message. Likewise, having the kids learn to avoid you is a good thing, as they are being trained by their parents to become monsters as well. A simple, direct, baleful stare that conveys "avoid me" works wonders. Can this backfire and escalate? Yes, but there is a point when you have to ask yourself "when do I need to back down and when do I have a need to stand my ground?" Perhaps I'm used to being one man vs a group of bullies, and have developed a variety of ways to protect/defend myself when surrounded.

While I don't know the other side of this story, it makes me wonder if MM's attitude is rubbing off on other BFRO members, or if this is simply the increasing frequency of dysfunctional behavior of so many people involved in the sasquatch phenomenon. Rudeness seems to be tolerated by more people these days, and the indignant reaction of being told "you can't bully me" always comes as a shock to these thugs. I hate to go there, but when people don't respect you and your possessions, then they must learn to avoid you.

[Guest TooRisky]

Man I can seriously say I have never had that happen in all my life in the woods... That is just plain friggin rude... And like you, what the heck are ya gonna do...??? I really would not blame the BFRO on this for it seems this broad was acting on her own and is just a friggin blankety blank... Man I am sorry for you, cause besides violence what else can you do besides leave, reminds me of a minority that realizes this and pushes it on all of the rest of us...

Can you tell me where this was CM...???

Edited July 8, 2011 by TooRisky

[Guest CaptainMorgan]

Just to be clear, this person isn't anything official with the BFRO, I doubt she can otherwise speak on their behalf.

She had small children with her, so I kept the verbal assault to myself and consulted as to what rights I had legally.

The person who's Bday it is, I don't know him but have no beef with him and I don't want to put a damper on his celebration. (I actually like him as an investigator in WA)

I only met one other fellow today, an ex BFRO guy who was a very civil and camped down the road a piece. He was a long time Bumping Lake guy and a real salt-of-the-earth fellow whom I enjoyed conversing with. That is, to the extent that I'd had only 2 hours of sleep.

I had said up front that this was a fully recorded site and was holding a recorder in my hand when I implored this woman to go elsewhere, so let it be known as a matter of record, that it will never be a he said \ she said ordeal, I have it all on tape.

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[Guest krakatoa]

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/rant

I recommend adding a set of nice loudspeakers to your equipment list. When people like that show up, start playing long loud bursts of fog-horns, and when they ask you why, tell them you are call blasting for the Loch Ness Monster.

When they tell you Nessie isn't in that campground, tell them before they showed up you were playing loud long bursts of flatulence and sure enough, a bunch of butt-holes showed up...

Edited July 8, 2011 by krakatoa

[Guest]

This sounds so typical of the BFRO...I don't know any one of them personally but I've been a board lurker of theirs for years. After awhile you come away with some of the worst adjectives in the book for the lot of em'. "Moneymakers' Minions", and don't think about questioning them cause they know all their is to know about BF...Moral of the rant is don't setup camp ever because who knows when the next BFRO "meet and greet pseudo celebs" err I mean expedition might be setting up shop.

edit: As a sidenote...If bigfooters normally camp this close to eachother I'm pretty sure I just discovered the source of "whoops" and "wood knocks."

Edited July 8, 2011 by denialist

[Guest CaptainMorgan]

When I got home tonight, I had 2 pair of Yamaha NS-AW350 and a Sound Storm Laboratories EDGE Series DG41000 waiting for me.

I intended to use them call blasting, but may have to re purpose them for Bfters.

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[Guest Tsalagi]

Birthday party or not- if someone claims they are Bigfoot hunting and bring dogs and children they are STUPID FOOLS. Not gonna catch any Squatches with that kinda noise around.

PS: You shoulda stuffed a banana up her tailpipe and let the air out of all their tires... just for the heck of it.

Edited July 8, 2011 by Tsalagi

[Guest Tsalagi]

I recommend adding a set of nice loudspeakers to your equipment list. When people like that show up, start playing long loud bursts of fog-horns, and when they ask you why, tell them you are call blasting for the Loch Ness Monster.

When they tell you Nessie isn't in that campground, tell them before they showed up you were playing loud long bursts of flatulence and sure enough, a bunch of butt-holes showed up...

I really like you now! Best post ever on Bigfoot Forums imho. Can't stop laughing at that last sentence.

[Guest Thepattywagon]

She was quite obviously not the sharpest tent stake in the campground.

[Guest wudewasa]

PM me the person's name, and I'll talk to them. I agree; that doesn't seem very fair or diplomatic at all.

Denialist,

See, not all BFRO members are lowlife campsite thieves. Good on you Matt, making things right when you can!