Madison5716 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Just found this. What do you think? I'm thinking that I wish I had money, lol! http://bfro.net/news/operation_ebigfoot.asp?fbclid=IwAR3-YnnlqqN8TsvKF-FAoYO6Os8uAYAZfNYUbqzQdFrd0H87Sqc-rb_ePF4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twist Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 My initial thoughts: E-DNA means nothing without a type specimen. It will be contaminated human DNA at best or something else. Thermal imaging will prove nothing. I applaud any effort to further the process of research and hope I am proven wrong,. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiflier Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 (edited) I'm cherry picking what I think are the salient points: "We need some mature men or women (or a family) of substantial means who can back the project and appear on camera as part of the effort, ideally piloting their own $6,000 drones." "This project is expected to last for several years." "It will yield several fantastic clips of Bigfoots that will be seen and lauded around the world." So, let me get this straight, OTHER people will fund it for several years, buy the drones, fly them themselves, and it WILL yield "several fantastic clips" of Bigfoots. Even though everyone knows "clips" wouldn't be proof? And it would appear that not a penny will be spent by the BFRO, i.e., Moneymaker? Yeah, that sounds about right. The e-DNA part I can go with. The rest? nnnnnnnnnn-not so much. Edited December 18, 2019 by hiflier 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman Posted December 18, 2019 Admin Share Posted December 18, 2019 I’m beginning to think this IS the answer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackRockBigfoot Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, hiflier said: I'm cherry picking what I think are the salient points: "We need some mature men or women (or a family) of substantial means who can back the project and appear on camera as part of the effort, ideally piloting their own $6,000 drones." "This project is expected to last for several years." "It will yield several fantastic clips of Bigfoots that will be seen and lauded around the world." So, let me get this straight, OTHER people will fund it for several years, buy the drones, fly them themselves, and it WILL yield "several fantastic clips" of Bigfoots. Even though everyone knows "clips" wouldn't be proof? And it would appear that not a penny will be spent by the BFRO, i.e., Moneymaker? Yeah, that sounds about right. The e-DNA part I can go with. The rest? nnnnnnnnnn-not so much. Who keeps the revenue that would result from the show? Who retains the intellectual property rights to any evidence collected by these volunteers and their personally owned equipment? One of our members said in an earlier thread that the BFRO does not provide funding assistance to them for outings and expositions. They provide their own equipment and logistics. Do all funds generated by the BFRO go to cover the leaders' salaries? I think that if they were just looking for volunteers for this project I could get behind that. But, to want these people to volunteer their time and money...just to get Moneymaker back on television? I know that someone will be along shortly to tell me about all the great things that the BFRO has done...but I only see ego and commercialism when I look at them. Maybe some good will come out of this, although more 'human' type DNA will he discounted as contaminated without a type specimen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twist Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 17 minutes ago, norseman said: I’m beginning to think this IS the answer... Great video. I grew up on 2,3, and 4 wheels my whole life. From atc 70's, Big Reds, with and without suspension, RM80's 125's, 250,'s. Banshees, Blasters, etc..... Love seeing these big bore thumpers. I just recently sold a DS650 which was a blast and my LT250R. Still have my TRX250R that is virtually bone stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman Posted December 18, 2019 Admin Share Posted December 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, Twist said: Great video. I grew up on 2,3, and 4 wheels my whole life. From atc 70's, Big Reds, with and without suspension, RM80's 125's, 250,'s. Banshees, Blasters, etc..... Love seeing these big bore thumpers. I just recently sold a DS650 which was a blast and my LT250R. Still have my TRX250R that is virtually bone stock. Im a lifetime snowmobiler.... started out on a 440 Cheetah in the mid 70’s. These snow bikes are destroying preconceived notions about what can be done in snow. Look at this video. Talking about snow trackways.... there isn’t one that you couldn’t follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiflier Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 30 minutes ago, BlackRockBigfoot said: ...but I only see ego and commercialism when I look at them. When John Green put up his statement on his website (in 2000) which carried his 4,000 report database, FREE for the public to use, he said this: "Years have gone by while the database grows old, unused in my computer, and at least one other now surpasses it in the quantity of reports, but I do not know of any that are searchable to anything approaching the same degree." (And that was true until the BFF's SSR!) Matt Moneymaker started the BFRO, I think, back in 1996, almost 24 years ago now. And after all this time he has.............nothing. Expeditions, Finding Bigfoot, "documentaries", I don't how many volunteer field researchers and everything else and again.....nothing. And now this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twist Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 32 minutes ago, norseman said: Im a lifetime snowmobiler.... started out on a 440 Cheetah in the mid 70’s. These snow bikes are destroying preconceived notions about what can be done in snow. Look at this video. Talking about snow trackways.... there isn’t one that you couldn’t follow. I love all the new stuff coming out. The power curve and tech in ATV's continues to grow exponentially. Beyond what I imagined 10-15 years ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catmandoo Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 (edited) 31 minutes ago, hiflier said: Matt Moneymaker started the BFRO, I think, back in 1996, almost 24 years ago now. And after all this time he has.............nothing. Gahan Wilson had a cartoon and paperback titled 'Is Nothing Sacred?'. True. Sadly, Gahan Wilson has passed. I liked his cartoons. 'Nothing' is sacred and marketing failure in the entertainment genre can produce income. How many remember the quantity of thermal imagers bought for a group years ago and there is nothing? What about the 60 trail cameras for a group that have produced nothing? The game is to con other persons into bank rolling the fiasco. Perhaps with the new twist in forest failures we will see fantastical clips of spectacular drone crashes. I proposed awhile back for a new designation: large case e, EDNA for entertainment DNA. There are billions of streaming one's and zeros on the internet about bigfoot DNA and it is mostly worthless. Fodder for podcasts and chat rooms. Perhaps we will see a new chapter in hoaxing; 'drone hoaxing'. Edited December 18, 2019 by Catmandoo more text Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiflier Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 (edited) That was actually my first thought when first I read the section/pitch from BFRO. We had drone footage a couple of years ago of a claimed Bigfoot image that was indeterminate. There's been several actually- one was thermal. Moneymaker may be late to the party as far as drones go but the results will be the same......only this time instead of "hear", just substitute," see". As in: "Did you see THAT!" LOL. How is it that the highest public profile in Bigfootdom continues to get away with marketing thin air? Edited December 18, 2019 by hiflier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackRockBigfoot Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 17 minutes ago, hiflier said: That was actually my first thought when first I read the section/pitch from BFRO. We had drone footage a couple of years ago of a claimed Bigfoot image that was indeterminate. There's been several actually- one was thermal. Moneymaker may be late to the party as far as drones go but the results will be the same......only this time instead of "hear", just substitute," see". As in: "Did you see THAT!" LOL. How is it that the highest public profile in Bigfootdom continues to get away with marketing thin air? The same way Biscardi still finds a way to make money off of this field... Name recognition with the public who is moderately interested in and informed about the Bigfoot community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiflier Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 I agree, but what are the chances for discovery outside of this new effort/request for what appears to be quite a bit of financial underwriting? Are our chances, individually or as a group, equal to that. I think it's an important question to ask as far as encouragements and staying the course goes. Personally I thik the answer is yes, we have an equal chance. In fact if someone could underwrite SWWASAS with fuel and a darned good thermal to mount onto his light plane then chances for a video from a certain area would be vastly increased. All anyone needs to know is "presence approximately where?"" at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catmandoo Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Groups don't work out at all. Too much humanity; noise, stink, stupid human tricks. Some groups are good at burning other people's money. Those who use their own money do well. When we are in boots to the ground mode, we have to be outnumbered. 2 people maximum in a 'group'. In Montana, a group of three is a herd. Sorry, no herds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntster Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 ......... It will become a TV series but the TV effort will adapt to the scientific agenda, rather than the other way around. ..................We need some mature men or women (or a family) of substantial means who can back the project ........ PT Barnum famously stated that a sucker was born every minute. My econ professor restated that quote as an Ass for every seat in Barnum's circus. Folks who got rich quick have a propensity to throw BIG money in questionable directions. Maybe Moneymaker got his name for a good reason. I'm willing to sit back and watch............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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