Guest Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 G'day Jodie; You were too quick. I didn't feel attacked. Sometimes people on these forums take things far too personally - I am not one of them. I would say to anyone's face exactly what I write here. Some people agree - some don't. The world would be really boring if we all thought the same way! It's taken me a while to get really involved in these forums; I am always checking in but rarely posting however, this is one instance where I felt that it was time to give my opinion. This is one of the better threads in a long time!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 BTW who's head have you pasted on Patty? I believe that's the composite sketch for "The Unabomber" from a few years ago... (The guy that mailed bombs to people for years, then was caught) Pretty funny- didnt notice it til you pointed it out! ART Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ChrisBFRPKY Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 No need to tell us if the creature was male or female. By the description of it's body type and it's behavior you described, if all is accurate , it could only have been a female. I don't judge anyone for anything. We all have to live with our actions and carry our own loads. I carry mine, everyone else carries theirs. But you should know, from what I've seen, when they raise their hands or put their hands on top of their head/face, they're drawing your attention on purpose. I'd bet the farm the female was trying to direct your attention to her and away from her young. It may have been a blessing in disguise for you, that the female was shot first. If you had shot one of her young first, I doubt you could have stopped her before she ripped you guys apart. IMO I truly wish you would have thrown the young one in the back of the truck. But, maybe the rest of the story if true, will tell us something more when revealed. Thanks for sharing what you can. Chris B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Strick Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 Some advice, and I mean it with true sincerity. Having been involved in some stuff in my life; the only way to get through this is to seek help. There are lots of programs out there to help people; the hardest thing for most of us is to admit that we need help! So if this story is truly legit and you are truly suffering from some sort of after effects (a type of PTSD); do yourself a favour and ask for assistance. If you don't; it will eat you up!! I also find this judgemental and condescending and pretty much the kind of thing guaranteed to run General off the board, when what we need most in this story, are eyewitness accounts and hard facts rather than endless speculation. I accept your point that the forum is purely a library of dissenting voice but, unless he's lying, General was describing the historical events as they actually happened rather than offering an opinion. Plus, they were a unique and difficult set of events to describe. I accept your grace under pressure may be exemplary and you might have balls of steel to boot; you might even have your 'discovery' speech all worked out and carry a cell phone with the UN on speed dial at all times just in case you ever make 'first contact' in the woods. Personally, I prefer not to judge and moralise how I would have acted in this situation, especially if I happened to be carrying a high-powered loaded weapon at the time. If you want to talk therapy you should know that there is such a thing as Humanistic Counselling, where the subject is encouraged to speak openly without judgement and in a spirit of warm acceptance, so that the truth can surface and all the events be known. In this case, it seems there'was nothing much wrong with General that a few Coors Lights with his buddy round the fire couldn't put right the next evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 G'day Jodie; You were too quick. I didn't feel attacked. Sometimes people on these forums take things far too personally - I am not one of them. I would say to anyone's face exactly what I write here. Some people agree - some don't. The world would be really boring if we all thought the same way! It's taken me a while to get really involved in these forums; I am always checking in but rarely posting however, this is one instance where I felt that it was time to give my opinion. This is one of the better threads in a long time!! Thanks Guru- The original post from Nice Guy was attacking you, but he changed it within the edit time to fall under compliance after my prompt. I appreciate that from Nice Guy. However harsh your opinion was, it came across to me as an opinion regarding General's hunting decisions and not as an attack on him as a person. I let your post stand simply because I didn't feel that it broke the rules once I removed a couple of comments. Let this be a reminder- The moderators are following this thread because we too are interested in what happened. At the same time, we are going to considerable effort, to the best of our abilities, to be objective and fair with ALL posters. If you want to discuss a moderating decision made please PM us with your questions or comments rather than clog the thread with the off topic discussion. Thanks- Jodie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yowiie Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 At this stage this whole story is just hear sa. The 'general' is telling a good story and has most of the posters on this forum biting at the bit, which was his intention. There isn't one shread of evidence to support any of this tale, if there is, post something that can verify the story. I do beleive that Derek has been roped into this and there is no way out. Show us something that varifies that this isn't a fabricated tale and maybe then the general will be taken seriosly, but until then. HO HUM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 Yowiie, you are correct, and your opinion is duly noted. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. On the BFF we accept very little at face value. We may have a tendency to over-analyze claims and be more skeptical than some other forums dedicated to this topic, but we think that is preferable to the alternative. So when Derek and the General are ready or are able, I hope we get that proof eventually. For now, Derek and General it is just a story that we will analyze to the Nth degree, be forewarned if you choose to respond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 General, I'd like to apologize because I made judgement of you on a whim. I (nor anyone else) was there in your shoes so we shouldn't Monday Morning Quarterback. Your beginning to tell the story in your words is definately clearing some murky things up. For instance from your recant, you weren't driving down the road and just jumped out of a vehicle. You were actively stalking game. Please continue to disclose what you can and remember to not be too bothered by some strong opinions you will happen upon. P.S. Guys I don't see any glee in General's statements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 I usually try not to post off topic, but Gurumuka's profile pic just made my coffee spew out of my nose. Looks a little bit pornographic, doesn't it? Back on topic: General, two words: Thank You. I just read Lindsays latest blog. My God, I think his cheese has slid off his cracker! Yep. Or as I like to say, He's got all six beers, but he's missin' that plastic thingy that holds 'em all together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 LOLOL- Ok Guru- is that what I think it is? Either way, can you change it? It's a PG forum. Some forum member's child is sure to see that and pick up on it a lot faster than I did. Thanks-Jodie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 You're kidding right? You are an experienced hunter and you see a hint of movement, for less than half a second, it was hairy; so it must be a bear? Whatever happened to positively identifying your target first before engaging it? So you had reasonable doubt about what you were seeing, after all it was walking on two legs and as an experienced bear hunter you were thinking that this type of behaviour is unusual? Again, you are not sure that this is actually a bear. It has its hands above its head, walking towards you on two feet? Hands above its head suggests that it was surrendering, giving up, trying to indicate that it meant no harm. Maybe even trying to communicate with you as one sentient being to another. How many times have you seen a bear walk with its hands above its head - I would argue that its arms are not even long enough for it to get its paws above its head. Don't know what it is but I am going to shoot it anyway! Why in your mind did it need to die? After all it was walking towards you, on two legs, with it hands in the air above its head. For arguments sake, the act of a sentient being exhibiting an act of submission, attempting to communicate that it was not a threat to you. Your buddy was spotting for you? He grabs the bino's, watches and says don't shoot. To me this is the most damning of all. You have your buddy with you and he is telling you it is not a bear (which by your own admission you were having doubts about as well). He tells you not to shoot a number of times in a number of ways....... yet you pulled the trigger without positively identifying your quarry. Time for you to attend one of your brothers DFG hunter safety courses; as a refresher. I still don't understand why you pulled the trigger. Everything that you have posted so far points to your own reasonable doubt that it was a bear. Additionally, the language that you use to describe the incident (walking on two legs, hands, some kind of language that sounded like a deaf person trying to speak etc.) also adds to the fact that it was not a bear. I have a theory - you knew pretty quickly exactly what you were looking at. Your buddy tells you it is not a bear (you already know this) and tells you not to shoot - but you have made your mind up (your chance at 15 minutes of fame) and you pull the trigger. The rest is history (history according to you) and now you are having trouble reconciling what you did and why you did it because; after all, it was not a BEAR!!! Some advice, and I mean it with true sincerity. Having been involved in some stuff in my life; the only way to get through this is to seek help. There are lots of programs out there to help people; the hardest thing for most of us is to admit that we need help! So if this story is truly legit and you are truly suffering from some sort of after effects (a type of PTSD); do yourself a favour and ask for assistance. If you don't; it will eat you up!! This could have been a man in a gillie suit(sp?), and then for a fact he would be in jail for murder. The shooter does not sound like he is suffering at all. He is too busy fishing..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Strick Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 Yeah, Yowiie and Jodie are right. I found myself getting a little carried away back then and I don't really even believe in Bigfoot. But hey! You gotta talk about something. Who was General's companion on the day? Have we heard from this guy yet? It's my understanding that the Olympic Project stands behind the entire Sierra kill story, is that not correct? That either means that the organisation is corrupt or General has managed to hoodwink all of 'em. Either of these options is a possibility. I don't know, but I am inclined to give General the benefit of the doubt on this one. I know that some people care nothing for their reputation and integrity when placed against publicity and the elusive 15 minutes: step forward Georgia boys, but he doesn't seem to be like that. In fact, he's almost had to be coaxed to make any statement at all from the start. NDA'S not withstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incorrigible1 Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 Yep. Or as I like to say, He's got all six beers, but he's missin' that plastic thingy that holds 'em all together. That plastic thingy is an Iowa hog-bra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 This could have been a man in a gillie suit(sp?), and then for a fact he would be in jail for murder. The shooter does not sound like he is suffering at all. He is too busy fishing..... If a guy puts on a ghillie suit and goes out in the forest pretending to be a threatening animal, then gets himself shot, I doubt the other guy goes away for murder. Obviously the guy is an outdoorsman. I would imagine that would make the incident even harder to comprehend in the moment, because someone like that has a reasonable expectation that there's not much out there that can surprise him. When you are in your element and you think you know everything about it, then something happens that you simply cannot explain, I have to imagine that's pretty scary. I don't think the shooter is gleeful over what happened, but I don't know how much he should "suffer" for it. Something happened in the woods that was scary, and at the end he had to kill two animals in order to make sure he got out of there safely. How much is the "appropriate" amount of PTSD for this? I doubt he has sworn off hunting and fishing as a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HairyGreek Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 This could have been a man in a gillie suit(sp?), and then for a fact he would be in jail for murder. The shooter does not sound like he is suffering at all. He is too busy fishing..... Susiq...have you ever seen a Sasquatch? Are you sure your first response WOULDN'T be "kill it!"? I am sorry, I don't think you do know that for sure. JMO. A guy who grows up hunting and in the forest has probably felt like he has just about seen it all and then this very abnormal creature which most likely by it size and appearance is obviously not a "guy in a ghillie suit" shows up acting in a very peculiar way. It looks and acts monsterous to a guy who knows those woods and he shoots it. Is it neccesarily right? No. Does this make the Geneeral equally a monster? Give me a break. YOU WEREN'T THERE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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