Believer57 Posted February 2, 2021 Posted February 2, 2021 Hi, Who is responsible for finding Bigfoot? Not the TV show but the discovery of the creature itself. Lately, I have seen some disappointment from others that various YouTubers or organizations are not properly using discovery techniques or a scientific approach to finding Bigfoot. I think that part of the issue is due to hunters, hikers, and people in general being the “proof” that Sasquatch exists. They didn’t ask for it but became members of the "club" through personal sightings or watching credible evidence from other members of the public. In other words, it’s not the publics’ fault that they have been put in this position. Imagine all the traumatized people in the last 100 years due to the government or science lying to them. It’s not our fault. I welcome your opinions on who is really responsible for finding Bigfoot.
hiflier Posted February 2, 2021 Posted February 2, 2021 Interesting question. It kind of speaks to various levels of what finding a Bigfoot might mean to different people. For some it may be as simple as finding unusual tree/stick formations. For others, a footprint, or audio recordings of something that seems outside a certain norm- either as sound or patterns on a sonogram, or a tree knock- or even several, or something walking outside a camp or tent, or maybe seeing eye shine at a certain height or with wide eye spacing or a particular color, or blurry images or faces in foliage many say is only paredolia. Especially if the images lack sharp edges and are definitively clear, like seeing great photos of Gorillas or other animals- even on trail cams. So one could see each person as having a subjective viewpoint when it comes to arriving at conclusions about whether or not they have found Bigfoot. But there is a difference in that the above examples are usually termed trace evidence, which may be defined as something which suggests Bigfoot but isn't really proof of Bigfoot. In speaking to the thread's title though, as much as citizen science has tried, and as compelling as some trace evidence is, actual physical proof of Bigfoot has, so far anyway, been elusive. As well-meaning as citizen science is, even if only by consistent effort, it simply has not provided the smoking gun. This hasn't stopped anyone from going out and trying, though. There's always a chance someone in the field might find themselves in the right place at the right time and see one. But seeing one, while amounting to a personal affirmation that the creature exists, still isn't proof beyond that singular experience. So, who's responsible for finding Bigfoot? We all are. But if one is speaking to solid physical proof where the creature can be studied up close and verified? Ultimately, that job belongs to science. And if "finding" Bigfoot means securing the creature for scientific study? Then shooting one, or finding a dead one apparently are the only options available. So far, though, it would seem to be beyond our reach to to so and hand over that creature to science.
Huntster Posted February 2, 2021 Posted February 2, 2021 "Responsible": Quote adjective having an obligation to do something, or having control over or care for someone, as part of one's job or role. "the department responsible for education" In order to answer this question with some basis of accuracy, one must ask, "who is responsible for the well being, management, and protection of a discovered sasquatch? Like everything else, that answer includes everybody, but is clearly ranked. For example, you and I as individuals are responsible for deer to recognized limits. Landowners have responsibilities to deer. Resource extraction industries have responsibilities to them. Science as an industry has responsibilities to them. Academia has certain responsibilities to them. Government has responsibilities to them. Motorists have responsibilities to them. Hunters have responsibilities to them. Of everybody who has responsibilities to sasquatches as a species, mist entities have lived up to them.........with the notable exception of those entities who have the greatest responsibilities to the species: government, science, academia, wildlife management, and aboriginal affairs agencies. These are also the entities who have the greatest responsibility to discover the species, or at the very least, attempt to do so. 2
hiflier Posted February 2, 2021 Posted February 2, 2021 16 minutes ago, Huntster said: .........with the notable exception of those entities who have the greatest responsibilities to the species: government, science, academia, wildlife management, and aboriginal affairs agencies. These are also the entities who have the greatest responsibility to discover the species, or at the very least, attempt to do so. Out of those entities listed above, science is the best option. Because no matter what the other players do or accomplish- which will be nothing- science will have the ultimate responsibility for doing any testing or evaluation in as far as having the credibility for creating a precise record of their efforts in verifying the discovery. So why not cut to the chase and go after science. Even as citizen scientists go about their work, science will, in the end, be the one to put on their stamp of approval. So, yeah, drag one in. But until science officially and publicly says it's a Sasquatch? Then it won't be. Scientists are the nut to crack. They are the end game. 1
Believer57 Posted February 2, 2021 Author Posted February 2, 2021 In the case of Sasquatch, with a few exceptions, the scientific community seems to poo-poo the idea. Where does cryptozoology and science collide or collaborate? Should there be (or is there) a list of scientific methods that the public or cryptozoologists need to follow? Does this require funding or resources that a typical hunter or field researcher can not obtain? Other than a few wealthy investors, where is the funding to follow these scientific methods?
hiflier Posted February 2, 2021 Posted February 2, 2021 WOW! There's wealthy investors??!? I've been rethinking the part about who is, or what is responsible for finding Bigfoot. Or shall I say VERIFYING Bigfoot? I still say science is. But I need to back up a bit first because science needs a push to get going. So it really comes back to the responsibility laying with us and the public. It might go like this: We push on science and, depending on the way the pushing is conducted, science shouldn't be able to ignore the push. In other words, if we make big enough snowballs, science may just have to throw them And sure, a little money (Or a LOT ) would very much help. But it could be the 'ol thing about how does one get BF researchers to make a million dollars? Answer: Ya give 'em three!
Huntster Posted February 2, 2021 Posted February 2, 2021 2 hours ago, hiflier said: Out of those entities listed above, science is the best option. Because no matter what the other players do or accomplish- which will be nothing- science will have the ultimate responsibility for doing any testing or evaluation in as far as having the credibility for creating a precise record of their efforts in verifying the discovery. So why not cut to the chase and go after science......... Okay, but I believe that it's government scientists who are clearly the most responsible; biologists dictating wildlife policy and regulation for everybody else, including academic scientists and other government agencies. These are the very people who, for example, in the Oklahoma "open season" bill, who oppose hunting proposals. They say that there are no sasquatches. THOUSANDS of people have produced countless exhibits of evidence of the type that is regularly accepted in courts of law to convict people of crimes: footprint casts, dermal prints, photographs, motion films, witness testimonies, historical tradition, and even scientific proof like fossils (albeit old and not in the New World). The evidence is overwhelming enough for the appropriate and clearly responsible officials to at least exhibit a reasonable attempt to prove something one way or the other. Their lame excuses for doing absolutely nothing have gone beyond irresponsibility: they are suspicious. 1 1
Henry Stevens Posted February 2, 2021 Posted February 2, 2021 The government really does not want the hassle of finding bigfoot. Is it human? Does it have rights? Can bigfoot sue for damages? Will its home (habitat) be protected? Can bigfoot go to school? Can bigfoot play in the NFL? Can bigfoot get food stamps? 1
hiflier Posted February 2, 2021 Posted February 2, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Henry Stevens said: The government really does not want the hassle of finding bigfoot. Is it human? Does it have rights? Can bigfoot sue for damages? Will its home (habitat) be protected? Can bigfoot go to school? Can bigfoot play in the NFL? Can bigfoot get food stamps? Oh, it's WAAAAAY more than that, HS. It carries a very high risk of losing 2- trillion in revenue from just about every industry one can imagine should discovery happen. OR if it's found to NOT exist? The ripples through the BF biz industry from every quarter will lose billions. Heck, Nessie was a billion dollar tourist industry just by itself and Bigfoot is so much bigger than that, both in North America and on the global scale. Best if government stays the course and says, or does, nothing. Getting around all of that in order to prove to the public the thing is real isn't for the faint of heart. Edited February 2, 2021 by hiflier
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