Sasquatchodon Posted April 6, 2022 Posted April 6, 2022 So assuming of course that Sasquatches exist, what would their actual range be? Looking at sighting data on the BFRO, which I'm highly skeptical of, there are hundreds of sightings coming from states like Illinois and Pennsylvania. It's hard for me to believe Sasquatches could exist in an area that couldn't also support elk, wolves, bears, etc. The PNW and mountainous West seem like the most plausible habitat, based on both sightings and undisturbed habitat, followed by Appalachia, parts of the upper Great Lakes, Ozarks, Ouachita, and Southeast. I was bored so I put together a very rough guesstimate of what an approximate range map could look like (I think I'm being very generous in terms of potential habitat). What areas do you think I'm missing? Any I should take away? What do you make of sightings in places like Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, and Florida? 2
Skinwalker13 Posted April 6, 2022 Posted April 6, 2022 well, for starters i dig the map and your assumed territory ranges. what some folks dont realize though is that there is wilderness in the southwest Illinois and southern Indiana maps. i know of 2 credible researchers in those areas and have helped them evaluate evidence from those areas. however, much of both of those states are largely questionable, maybe a migratory route at best? i would add the glades though, lots of interesting stuff has come from the everglades, i would also expand the GA line down to horse creek mills or cypress creek WMAs. ive been in those parts before and they are vastly uninhabited and have TONS of wildlife, biodiverse habitats, and plenty of clean water. 1 1
JKH Posted April 6, 2022 Posted April 6, 2022 (edited) My understanding is that they inhabit every US state, including the plains, SW deserts, etc. They seem to use many more resources than do the larger fauna mentioned and are true omnivores. I've heard of evidence from places most wouldn't consider great habitat, but if there's food, they may be present at times. Edited April 6, 2022 by JKH
Popular Post NorthWind Posted April 6, 2022 Popular Post Posted April 6, 2022 I for sure would include Florida. I have posted this before, but I had three experiences while I lived in Florida. We lived for a couple of years in Sarasota, maybe ten miles or so from Myakka River State Park, where the "Myakka Skunk Ape" photos were allegedly taken. Here's a copy: _____ Though I live in Oregon, all three of my "experiences" happened in Florida, less than ten miles from Myakka River State Park about fifteen years ago. I was living at a country club / older folks' community called Heritage Oaks while I was in Florida going to school for a couple of years. Whenever I could, I would get out into nature by hiking up at Myakka River State Park and surrounding areas. Beautiful place, but it can be dangerous. There’s a lot of wildlife and it seems everything out there is looking to hurt or kill you. Lots of gators, poisonous snakes, spiders, boars, panthers, and my wife and I even saw two jaguarundis once at Myakka River State Park. My experiences though, happened at the golf course, strangely enough. The first experience we had, I was with my wife and we were out sitting on our screened in porch on the second floor enjoying a cigar and a cold fermented malt beverage. It was very late at night, I would say maybe 2AM, and we had the lights out so I wouldn’t get busted for smoking a cigar. Just talking and relaxing. This second-floor porch overlooked maybe 20 feet of grass, then a retaining pond (lake), and the golf course itself. We could see none of it though, it was a very dark night. Well this night was very quiet. Suddenly, we heard bipedal footsteps sloshing through the water. Big. Deliberate. Not fast, but not slow. It was covering a lot of ground with those steps. Now it was too dark to see, but I knew at the time there are only two things in the water at night in Florida. Gators, and gator food. If you are not one, you are the other. But even though you could hear the sloshing of the steps, you could almost feel the ground thumping as whatever it was moved. It wouldn’t make sense that a person would be walking through the water at night after midnight with no flashlight (or even with one for that matter). But this was no gator. Whatever it was was walking on two legs. As it passed the “lanai”, we were both afraid to even look to see what it was. Not that we could have anyway. But we didn’t even want to get close to the screen. It passed right by us. I would say no more than 30 feet away, max. It never broke stride. We were both too afraid to even speak. And when we did, we whispered and didn’t pronounce our “s’s” because we didn’t want to be heard by whatever it was. We sat there a long while after this thing was gone, trying to figure out what it was. I joked “skunk ape” with her, but the truth was that I was pretty certain that’s what we heard. I have seen deer out there and tons of birds. But this was no deer. No wild pig. Not a bear. Not a panther. It was bigger than those for certain. I still don’t KNOW what it was But if I had to put money down on something, I would have to go with a skunk ape because nothing else fits. That was the first experience. The second and third ones are tied together. Let me set the stage a little. I had an old dog. He was awesome. Always quiet and mild mannered. Unless there was danger. Then he became 120 pounds of growling snarling canine badassery. Mix of black lab, German shepherd, chow, akita, and coyote. I had to walk him when I got home from school. Usually that was after midnight or so. Outside the gate of the community though, there was swamp land, and general native Florida wilderness. When I say “gate”, I mean there was a drop-down arm to block vehicles, but people could just walk around it. Boy, I miss the sounds of the gators and frogs at night! I would take Tucker out there to do his business next to the road. I always carried my pistol because it was scary out there with just a flashlight. This particular night, I was walking Tucker towards the gate to get out to the road to his happy pooping grounds, when he started walking slower. His head was lowered, and he was growling softly. Now we were still in the golf course community, mind you. But right next to a small pond that was completely blocked off with trees. You couldn’t even see this pond. Not even the landscapers went in there. I know, because I was curious and went in there one day. Very thick native Florida bush. Then swampy pond. Almost perfectly circular. Maybe fifty feet across is all. It’s own little nature preserve in miniature. It was right next to a man-made retaining pond that had gators and fish and frogs and snakes and the like in it. As we were passing this pond which you cannot see, Tucker’s hackles went up and he started growling loud, and baring his teeth. His eyes were fixed on the small trees next to us. These trees were maybe 20 to 25 feet tall. Almost like tall bushes, really. Just as I was really realizing that something was in there, that something growled from the cover of those trees. Loud as hell. I could feel it in my chest, even. I could feel my hair stand up. That had never happened to me before, and it was a really strange sensation. That growl was so low in pitch and loud! It was not a gator, as I have heard those sounds before many times. Then the trees began shaking VIOLENTLY. I thought whatever it was was either going to rip them down or come charging out, so I had my 1911 drawn. We backed away from those trees without turning around. I did not want to turn my back to them. My heart was pounding. I was scared crapless. We finally came home from a different route (we actually walked all the way around the community because I didn’t want to pass those bushes again. My wife asked where I had been and I explained everything. She thought it was funny. Well I was not amused. A few weeks went by, and my mother in law came to visit from Texas. We had an extra room, so it was no big deal. She always loved to go outside and see the nature there. She loved to walk the dog, too. I told her to stay away from the “growly bushes” as they had become to be known as. She teased me and I tried to explain I was NOT kidding and I was deadly serious. It piqued her curiousity. Well late one night maybe here or four weeks after the first “growly-bush” experience, we had been tipping a few drinks out on the lanai. It was late, and the dog needed to go out one last time. She volunteered, and asked me to go with her because she wanted to see the “growly-bushes”. I decided to show her where it happened. So foolishly, we headed down there. Tucker again started growling slow and low, with his head down as we approached the bushes. My mother in law started getting freaked out. Then as we got near them, the thing growled loud at us and shook the trees again, exactly as it had done before. My mother in law was terrified, and so was I. When we got back up to the safety of the condo, she swore that she would never doubt me again. Neither of us know for certain what growled at us. But whatever it was, had to be huge to shake the trees like that. I tried shaking them in the day time some time later, and could get them to move, but nothing like what we experienced. The good thing is that I had a witness this time. And she was able to relay what happened to my wife. Now my wife knows I was not joking about it. There are strange things out there. And now that I am in Oregon and my kids are grown, I want to find out. That’s why I go out to the woods when I can and search for these beings. I know they are out there. And I hope to be able to find enough proof to satisfy my own curiosity, which I think will never be satisfied. _____ 2 2 6
Incorrigible1 Posted April 6, 2022 Posted April 6, 2022 A superior posting, NorthWind. Well told experiences, and scary as hell. 1 1
Redbone Posted April 6, 2022 Posted April 6, 2022 14 hours ago, Sasquatchodon said: What areas do you think I'm missing? Any I should take away? What do you make of sightings in places like Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, and Florida? Iowa and Nebraska are my stomping grounds. I am biased of course, but I think Iowa is one of the best places for squatching in the country. The midwest cannot be left out. In Nebraska, lots of activity is experienced on the Omaha and Winnebego Reservations. In Iowa, check out Yellow River State Forest. Finding Bigfoot let that 'secret' location out of the bag. The key to the midwest states is the wooded areas along the rivers. Iowa has 2.9 million acres of forest, but Nebraska only has 141,000. Most activity is along the Missouri and Mississippi rivers, or along the rivers and creeks that flow into them. I have been hit by a rock thrown from the trees in Iowa, while on a bridge over a river. I have a daytime sighting in Nebraska not more than a few hundred yards from the Missouri River. I have lots of audio from both states. 1
MIB Posted April 6, 2022 Moderator Posted April 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Redbone said: The key to the midwest states is the wooded areas along the rivers. Yes, this needs to be emphasized. Rivers with wooded riparian zones can present corridors of cover, not just through otherwise open plains, but sometimes through metro areas. Many towns grew at the convergence of rivers. MIB 2
BugMaster Posted April 6, 2022 SSR Team Posted April 6, 2022 I agree that they are likely found in every state. The Midwest has a lot of deciduous trees, as opposed to the lush evergreens of the west. But forest is forest. While Sasquatch would do well from an elk kill, I don't think they rely on meat. Other great apes (chimps and gorillas) are largely vegetarian and eat meat opportunistically. I feel that in the east, Sasquatch are more adapted to farmland and less densely forested areas, unlike their western cousins, who thrive in high elevation montane regions. MC2 is a fan of the notion that wherever a bear can live, so can a Sasquatch. If you plot BFRO points over bear habitat (We did it for the west), the points line up perfectly over the polygons of bear habitat. TLDR; even though some areas may not look forested or able to sustain large game, those areas mostly likely still have resources a Sasquatch can exploit.
Incorrigible1 Posted April 6, 2022 Posted April 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Redbone said: Iowa and Nebraska are my stomping grounds. I am biased of course, but I think Iowa is one of the best places for squatching in the country. The midwest cannot be left out. In Nebraska, lots of activity is experienced on the Omaha and Winnebego Reservations. In Iowa, check out Yellow River State Forest. Finding Bigfoot let that 'secret' location out of the bag. The key to the midwest states is the wooded areas along the rivers. Iowa has 2.9 million acres of forest, but Nebraska only has 141,000. RB, you're in a fantastic area for the state of Nebraska. The heavily wooded areas along the banks of the Missouri (the state's eastern border) have the cover required by the creatures. The various waterways as one heads west in the state have mixed tree and woodland cover. By mixed, I mean there is some suitable cover along the Platte and Elkhorn rivers, but there are also numerous areas nearly devoid of anything but the occasional cottonwood. There may be miles between sufficient cover to allow unseen movement or existence. Particularly this time of year, without crops in the fields, line of sight visibility is fairly uninterrupted. Often, crops are grown right up to the river banks. It would be mighty tough for a lone seven foot BF to traverse, unseen, across the state, let alone a family group. This is true of most of the Great Plains. Again, I'm not discounting the activity you've encountered. You're in area with suitable cover where they could make a living and remain out of sight. I wish you fortune in your research. 1
VAfooter Posted April 7, 2022 Admin Posted April 7, 2022 20 hours ago, JKH said: My understanding is that they inhabit every US state, including the plains, SW deserts, etc. Well, maybe not Hawaii... But yes, everyplace else if fair game. In some places I doubt there are any left and in some others, it is mainly on the migration route that they can be found. I think on the above map, the South is underrepresented. There are a lot of forested areas that make perfect habitat for creatures that do not want to be found. Same goes for the NJ Pine Barrens. Map of Heritage Oaks:
NorthWind Posted April 7, 2022 Posted April 7, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, VAfooter said: Map of Heritage Oaks: Cool, @VAfooter! Here is a close -up. After all, what good is info without red arrows and circles? The arrow shows the water in which whatever it was walked, and the direction. The second-floor of the building right there is where we were when we heard it sloshing through at that late night hour. The small circle is the "growly bushes" that were shaken violently. The larger red circle is the circular swamp (now not shown with water in this photo, but it was when I went in there). Likely a sinkhole. Florida is riddled with them. Look at Florida in Google Earth, and you will see thousands of perfectly circular small lakes. Sinkholes. The road "Coash" to the lower left is where I would take the dog to walk. Lots of critters everywhere there. Deer, armadillos, raccoons, snakes of all kinds including cottonmouths, coral, pygmy rattlers, canebrake rattlers, birds of all kinds, and apparently, skunk apes. So yes. Florida needs to be on the map. Edited April 7, 2022 by NorthWind image add - need coffee
VAfooter Posted April 7, 2022 Admin Posted April 7, 2022 Just a guess, but it looks like the small pond is covered with algae, or at least the center portion is. Unfortunately, street view is only on Coash Road and nothing closer can be seen. 1
Sasquatchodon Posted April 7, 2022 Author Posted April 7, 2022 @NorthWind thanks for sharing those encounters! I was discounting Florida a bit, but there is definitely a history of reports, and some decent habitat, at least around the Everglades. I think if an area can support cougars, it’s a good indication Sasquatch wouldn’t be impossible. It’s interesting you’ve seen Jaguarundi there, I’ve heard other BF researchers, and even some biologists say the same thing. Some think they’re a “feral” population that escaped from a private collection during a Hurricane. But they were native to the region, so it could be a relict population as well. 1
NorthWind Posted April 7, 2022 Posted April 7, 2022 We saw two that day. One darted off as I got the camera up, so I set the camera down, just as the second one hopped out to follow her mate. Missed that one, too. Isn't that the way it goes? 1
JKH Posted April 7, 2022 Posted April 7, 2022 (edited) 17 hours ago, VAfooter said: Well, maybe not Hawaii... But yes, everyplace else if fair game. In some places I doubt there are any left and in some others, it is mainly on the migration route that they can be found. I think on the above map, the South is underrepresented. There are a lot of forested areas that make perfect habitat for creatures that do not want to be found. Same goes for the NJ Pine Barrens. yeah, I always forget HI is part of the US. I totally agree with all the rest. Was just listening to a podcast with a witness from OK who has had encounters there (rivers key) and other southern states. His quote was "these things are everywhere", and so far in my experience, that's pretty accurate. Water, food, cover, and it works for them. Of course, they probably like places better where they can spread out, but they also hang out in or travel some suburban and edge areas, like NW's accounts. Very interesting btw, read this before, was it here? I love to check out encounter maps and try to figure out their travel routes, IMO you accidently discovered one of their secrets. Edited April 7, 2022 by JKH
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