ShadowBorn Posted October 25, 2022 Moderator Posted October 25, 2022 Quote Posted 1 hour ago · IP 18 hours ago, norseman said: I wouldn't be too sure. https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jul/20/montana-grizzly-bear-attack-tent-woman Not to make light of a death but yeah that was pretty dumb I am not sure that it was dumb on her part. Since it did say in the article that this incident was rare. That this bear showed habituated behavior. So somewhere along the line of its up bringing it learned this behavior. Which is a shame that they had to put down this bear, that could have lived its life living free from humans. If anything, we should learn from this incident. I have made this mistake a few times, like cooking 5' away from I am sleeping. Then not washing the food from my hands before going in my tent. The one thing that I have learned is not zipped myself in my sleeping bag. I just place my bag over the top of myself, in case I have to get out in a hurry. But yes, this incident should never had happened. After seeing that they had that first encounter, they should have moved from that area. This is truly a sad incident.
norseman Posted October 25, 2022 Admin Author Posted October 25, 2022 3 hours ago, 7.62 said: Not to make light of a death but yeah that was pretty dumb Right?! No way. No way would I crawl back into that tent and go back asleep. No way would I not have a gun. Where ever they where storing their food inside a real building? That’s where I would have been. And the Bigfoot story? No way would I take my children inside the cabin, close the curtains and make cocoa. Ho hum.
norseman Posted October 25, 2022 Admin Author Posted October 25, 2022 3 hours ago, ShadowBorn said: I am not sure that it was dumb on her part. Since it did say in the article that this incident was rare. That this bear showed habituated behavior. So somewhere along the line of its up bringing it learned this behavior. Which is a shame that they had to put down this bear, that could have lived its life living free from humans. If anything, we should learn from this incident. I have made this mistake a few times, like cooking 5' away from I am sleeping. Then not washing the food from my hands before going in my tent. The one thing that I have learned is not zipped myself in my sleeping bag. I just place my bag over the top of myself, in case I have to get out in a hurry. But yes, this incident should never had happened. After seeing that they had that first encounter, they should have moved from that area. This is truly a sad incident. There is a zoo effect among urban humans. We see it with Buffalo in Yellowstone every year. And despite the warnings? People try to pet them anyhow. It’s never going to happen to them. They are cute and furry and lovable on Nat Geo. And Bears? Just like humans? Are individuals. Yes we can set some parameters among species. But nothing is set in stone. From the time you crawl out of your metal box until the moment you crawl back into it? You are food. If you don’t have a metal box (car)? You better have a plan B,C,D. A electric bear fence around your tent. Bear spray. Gun. Knife. Trip alarms. If anyone calls you paranoid? Just think of them as bear food with legs. Because going through life while playing Russian roulette with it is NOT how our ancestors got us here. If something eats me in the woods? It will be bleeding…. I promise. 1
norseman Posted October 25, 2022 Admin Author Posted October 25, 2022 Speaking of species and parameters and outliers…. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTR9egdPF/
guyzonthropus Posted October 25, 2022 Posted October 25, 2022 Wow! That is kinda odd, or maybe just yet to be observed on a regular basis. Now if they start cooperative pack-style hunting behaviors, taking down elk or moose, or small towns, then we'll know change is truly afoot! The footage looks like fall, could this be some sort of communal denning behavior? This could denote a more complex social behavior where matri/patriarch holds the knowledge of late season food sources...I rather hope it's not a single female in estrus and she walked into the wrong neighborhood!
norseman Posted October 25, 2022 Admin Author Posted October 25, 2022 3 hours ago, guyzonthropus said: Wow! That is kinda odd, or maybe just yet to be observed on a regular basis. Now if they start cooperative pack-style hunting behaviors, taking down elk or moose, or small towns, then we'll know change is truly afoot! The footage looks like fall, could this be some sort of communal denning behavior? This could denote a more complex social behavior where matri/patriarch holds the knowledge of late season food sources...I rather hope it's not a single female in estrus and she walked into the wrong neighborhood! I have never observed anything like that in Bears. I have seen trail cam photos of like four cougars on a deer kill. Also almost unheard of. But 20 Bears all together!? No. Never.
7.62 Posted October 26, 2022 Posted October 26, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, ShadowBorn said: I am not sure that it was dumb on her part. Since it did say in the article that this incident was rare. That this bear showed habituated behavior. So somewhere along the line of its up bringing it learned this behavior. Which is a shame that they had to put down this bear, that could have lived its life living free from humans. If anything, we should learn from this incident. I have made this mistake a few times, like cooking 5' away from I am sleeping. Then not washing the food from my hands before going in my tent. The one thing that I have learned is not zipped myself in my sleeping bag. I just place my bag over the top of myself, in case I have to get out in a hurry. But yes, this incident should never had happened. After seeing that they had that first encounter, they should have moved from that area. This is truly a sad incident. You could call every bear attack rare if you compare how many humans a year camp and hike in back country versus how many are attacked . Honestly what I think about more is running into a moose more than a black bear . I get black bears crossing my property every year and never had a problem . Remote camping in Maine on a no longer used logging road one year I had a bull moose that was ready to kill me and my dog . Thank god I had him on a leash . Edited October 26, 2022 by 7.62
Doug Posted October 26, 2022 Posted October 26, 2022 That video is crazy! I have never seen anything like that. Maybe they are bears that identify as elk?
7.62 Posted October 26, 2022 Posted October 26, 2022 8 hours ago, norseman said: Speaking of species and parameters and outliers…. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTR9egdPF/ That's insane man , I have never seen anything like that before . I watched a horror movie once where all the wild animals were leaving the woods because of a monster or monsters . 1
BC witness Posted October 26, 2022 Posted October 26, 2022 Comments below that tik-tok mention that it's at a sanctuary compound of some sort, so they're habituated rescue bears, essentially tame. 1
norseman Posted October 26, 2022 Admin Author Posted October 26, 2022 9 hours ago, BC witness said: Comments below that tik-tok mention that it's at a sanctuary compound of some sort, so they're habituated rescue bears, essentially tame. Ah! Nice catch!
ShadowBorn Posted October 28, 2022 Moderator Posted October 28, 2022 13 hours ago, 7.62 said: Honestly what I think about more is running into a moose more than a black bear A moose in heat is a very dangerous situation and even running into a moose can be dangerous. I guess. I have never seen a moose in real life, since I live in Michigan. There might be moose up in the upper UP. But not in Lower Michigan.
Huntster Posted October 28, 2022 Posted October 28, 2022 1 hour ago, ShadowBorn said: ......... I have never seen a moose in real life, since I live in Michigan. There might be moose up in the upper UP. But not in Lower Michigan. Huh. I thought you trolls had moose. Some folks around here call them swamp donkeys.
Twist Posted October 28, 2022 Posted October 28, 2022 4 hours ago, Huntster said: Huh. I thought you trolls had moose. Some folks around here call them swamp donkeys. None in the LP that I’ve heard of. I go up to the UP on my bike every year, it’s always in the back of my mind that one could cross in front of me! 😧 1
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