guyzonthropus Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 I just saw what for me was a new show, featuring Meldrum, the costume dude, and someone else re-evaluating a stabilized composite edition of the PGF(sorry for forgetting the names, getting old) with one quick sequence they examined showed one right foot step with insane upward toe flexion, the likes of which I'd never seen, either in the PGF or anywhere else for that matter! It was so extreme in its nature that it alone should be proof enough that Patty wasn't human. And the toe length was pretty crazy too! I'm rather surprised they didn't make more of an issue of it. Any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twist Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 Do you have a link or name for the show? Without more info your post is rather vague. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyzonthropus Posted October 19, 2022 Author Share Posted October 19, 2022 (edited) Yeah, no I dont, sorry about that! But I've seen most of the shows meldrum shows up in. and this was one I'd never seen before, so I figured it must be somewhat recent. If it's of any help they're viewing a version of the PGF that was made up of a lot of different copies layered up on each other and stabilized in order to gain greater detail by "extracting" the various elements each copy contains and then combining them into a single version, which was the first I'd heard of being done with the PGF. I was rather hoping that aspect plus the extreme toe flex would trigger an identifying memory for someone here.... Edited October 19, 2022 by guyzonthropus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incorrigible1 Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 1 hour ago, guyzonthropus said: , the costume dude..... Bill Munns? If so, betcha he might throw some light on the matter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiiawiwb Posted October 19, 2022 Share Posted October 19, 2022 Here is visible toe lift and flex in the first post of this page made by Bill Miller. The thread was a 212-page discussion about Patty's feet and foot impressions. https://bigfootforums.com/topic/7117-pattys-feetand-the-footprints/page/212/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyzonthropus Posted October 19, 2022 Author Share Posted October 19, 2022 Bill Munns is indeed the costume dude! Does anyone know when they did the composite of the various copies? It was a larger number of different versions than I would have expected. And that crazy flex with the inhumanly long and flexible toes. They looked nearly vertical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CelticKevin Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 I believe you are referring to the History Channel program "The Proof Is Out There". Season 2, episode 13. It has Meldrum, Munns, and the composite footage. Watch The Proof Is Out There Season 2 Episode 13 | HISTORY Channel 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backdoc Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 ^^^^^^ It’s on YouTube. That’s it I’m sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyzonthropus Posted October 20, 2022 Author Share Posted October 20, 2022 Sounds right! Well, maybe I just need to catch up some, but I'd never seen, noticed nor heard pointed out before that extraordinary toe flex! Were it not for the overall drive to deny the reality of the footage from the get go, I would think that had that been pointed out when the film was first shown around, the claim that Patty was some guy in a suit wouldn't have been nearly so tenable. That it took fifty years of analysis and technological advancement to discover this aspect strikes me as surprising, but In light of the resistance from mainstream science to even broach the topic it's understandable. With all the people who have analyzed the footage, what do you think was the main factor that prevented an earier discovery of this aspect? Do you think it's of considerable significance in terms of finally demonstrating that Patty simply can't be human? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backdoc Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 The only thing I could find of this was a YouTube clip lasting a couple min. It must be a segment as part of a larger program (30 min or an hour) and probably appeared on TV. If so, where is the whole show of "The Proof Is Out There". Season 2, episode 13. More must exist on this beyond this small clip about the toes. I remember seeing a show which was a Bigfoot 'roundtable' discussion. Those at the table included Anna Nikaris, Jeff Meldrum and others. They were through different ideas and theories about bigfoot. In the segment on the PGF, they essentially had the one more skeptical person say he didn't trust the film- based on nothing on the film- because of stories of the character of Roger Patterson. I have not come across that show again. Maybe this show "The Proof Is Out There". Season 2, episode 13. was on once and only this clip is what is available. The clip is impressive, so the show is probably impressive as well. Hope to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CelticKevin Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 13 hours ago, Backdoc said: The only thing I could find of this was a YouTube clip lasting a couple min. It must be a segment as part of a larger program (30 min or an hour) and probably appeared on TV. If so, where is the whole show of "The Proof Is Out There". Season 2, episode 13. More must exist on this beyond this small clip about the toes. I remember seeing a show which was a Bigfoot 'roundtable' discussion. Those at the table included Anna Nikaris, Jeff Meldrum and others. They were through different ideas and theories about bigfoot. In the segment on the PGF, they essentially had the one more skeptical person say he didn't trust the film- based on nothing on the film- because of stories of the character of Roger Patterson. I have not come across that show again. Maybe this show "The Proof Is Out There". Season 2, episode 13. was on once and only this clip is what is available. The clip is impressive, so the show is probably impressive as well. Hope to see it. If you click on the link in my post, you can stream it and watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backdoc Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 ^^ Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
entropy Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 On 10/19/2022 at 2:42 PM, guyzonthropus said: Yeah, no I dont, sorry about that! But I've seen most of the shows meldrum shows up in. and this was one I'd never seen before, so I figured it must be somewhat recent. If it's of any help they're viewing a version of the PGF that was made up of a lot of different copies layered up on each other and stabilized in order to gain greater detail by "extracting" the various elements each copy contains and then combining them into a single version, which was the first I'd heard of being done with the PGF. I was rather hoping that aspect plus the extreme toe flex would trigger an identifying memory for someone here.... Was it this? Has both Meldrum and Munns on it. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt16317488/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backdoc Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Watched the episode. I was impressed. If the Bigfoot community wishes to make a best case for Bigfoot this is it. Many of the other Bigfoot shows give the skeptics a reason to stay skeptics. This was handled fair. That’s all we can ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patterson-Gimlin Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 I saw it when it was on History Channel I enjoyed it and still have it on DVR . Nothing there to convincing. Remain skeptical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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