Sasquatch Surveillance

[hiflier]

Does it happen? Do agencies who must know about this creature monitor its whereabouts?

 

The original UNIVAC computer was about the size of a one car garage and weighed around eight tons and sold for around 1.5 million bucks. And now we have phones than can do infinitely more, cost infinitely less, and fit in our pockets. Surveillance technologies followed suit and today we can only speculate how precise and powerful that technology is- not to mention it's potentially tiny component size.

 

So. Is the Sasquatch under the federal/state microscope? Everything else in Nature, even the most mundane of things, already is, so why wouldn't this creature be as well considering its unbelievable characteristics? Weigh that against the fact that the Sasquatch is still an unrecognized species and one can only speculate as to the reason. I say the only reason no one tells the truth is money, because if I was government and that thing was in my back yard? You'd better believe I'd know about it. And I would know EVERYTHING I could possibly know about it by now: Where it is, what it's doing, how many there are, who's looking for it....EVERYTHING. Especially if I had more than enough of the technology available today to easily track it.

 

The floor is open.

 

Edited January 2, 2023 by hiflier

[Huntster]

Good question. Considering the number of potential government agencies involved (U.S., Canadian, state, province, tribal, Russian, Chinese, Indian), my guess is that somebody is occasionally involved in a monitoring effort, especially if publuc reports start coming in. 

 

I don't think that government has ongoing study programs going on. I think they knew what these things were well before the Patterson film event and had decided to suppress discovery before that event. I think this general government attitude in North America goes back to the Indian Wars, which ended @ 1924..........which, interestingly, is about when the sasquatch phenomenon began in earnest.

 

Today, the government attitude toward uncontacted peoples is firmly in the leave-them-alone ideology.

 

Interestingly, government appears to have the same approach toward feral homo sapiens, even those living in the shadow of their government fortresses.

 

 

Edited January 2, 2023 by Huntster

[hiflier]

Do you think any monitoring then might depend on one whether or not the Sasquatch population is stabilized, increasing, or decreasing? After all this time a stable population's numbers and whereabouts should be well known. And increasing population size could present a problem. A decreasing population size may not be of great concern since stakeholders might breath a sigh of relief to know that any threats of discovery are diminishing and that smaller populations may be easier to monitor and control.

 

In either case, government looking over its shoulder at the constant possibility of public discovery must have some implications regarding what to do, if anything, in order to either minimize or eliminate altogether any likelihood of someone stumbling onto physical proof. One would think some alphabet agency wouldn't be as worried about someone shooting one as it might be worried about the veritable army of scientists, both citizen and professional, that are out collecting eDNA for at least the last twenty years in just about every corner of the US.

 

Edited January 2, 2023 by hiflier

[Huntster]

45 minutes ago, hiflier said:

Do you think any monitoring then might depend on one whether or not the Sasquatch population is stabilized, increasing, or decreasing? ........

 

I think they know that sasquatch populations are extremely low and concentrated in the most remote locations, and that increasing homo sapien pressure drives them deeper into more remote locations. They have also classified all the most remote lands remaining, thus having almost complete control of intensive invasion by people. The only reason to monitor sasquatch population densities is to monitor potential extinction, even if only regionally, and I don't think they care. This is especially so after the political establishment of a policy toward uncontacted peoples that allows them to live unmolested by modern man.

 

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........One would think some alphabet agency wouldn't be as worried about someone shooting one as it might be worried about the veritable army of scientists, both citizen and professional, that are out collecting eDNA for at least the last twenty years in just about every corner of the US..........

 

Shooting one remains an almost free option to virtually anyone who is in the wilderness armed and can legally get away with the fear/self defense option, which pretty much covers most potential shootings other than long range sniper shots. The guilt/fear response, already cited repeatedly in such reported instances, precludes discovery in most shootings. Intentional shootings by sasquatch hunters might very well result in the type of legal scrutiny that Justin Smeja and Jeffery Kelley got. Please nite that Smeja and Kelley reported the fear/guilt response like virtually all other sasquatch shooters, but their mere reports on social media attracted legal scrutiny.

 

DNA? The "human" aspect will keep DNA evidence in the "mystery" realm until a sasquatch is hit by a semi, with the bidy landing on the windshield of a journalist traveling back to the studio with his film crew. When the body is essentially dumped on society, the scientists will exhale a universal "Aha!!!", and then tie all the fossils in everybody's collection to it, just like the Denisovan jawbone from Baishiya Karst Cave in China unearthed decades ago.

[Huntster]

1 minute ago, Huntster said:

 

I think they know that sasquatch populations are extremely low and concentrated in the most remote locations, and that increasing homo sapien pressure drives them deeper into more remote locations. They have also classified all the most remote lands remaining, thus having almost complete control of intensive invasion by people. The only reason to monitor sasquatch population densities is to monitor potential extinction, even if only regionally, and I don't think they care. This is especially so after the political establishment of a policy toward uncontacted peoples that allows them to live unmolested by modern man.

 

 

Shooting one remains an almost free option to virtually anyone who is in the wilderness armed and can legally get away with the fear/self defense option, which pretty much covers most potential shootings other than long range sniper shots. The guilt/fear response, already cited repeatedly in such reported instances, precludes discovery in most shootings. Intentional shootings by sasquatch hunters might very well result in the type of legal scrutiny that Justin Smeja and Jeffery Kelley got. Please note that Smeja and Kelley reported the fear/guilt response like virtually all other sasquatch shooters, but their mere reports on social media attracted legal scrutiny.

 

DNA? The "human" aspect will keep DNA evidence in the "mystery" realm until a sasquatch is hit by a semi, with the bidy landing on the windshield of a journalist traveling back to the studio with his film crew. When the body is essentially dumped on society, the scientists will exhale a universal "Aha!!!", and then tie all the fossils in everybody's collection to it, just like the Denisovan jawbone from Baishiya Karst Cave in China unearthed decades ago.

 

[hiflier]

Allow me to go into this a little further. Mostly because there are folks that think that Government doesn't care about the Sasquatch and so does nothing about it. My take is nothing could be further from the truth. Agencies care about newts, salamanders, remove fish from a stream like what happened in California before a big fire, go out in winter to track and take eDNA from snow looking for the Canada Lynx, wolves, and other "rare" species. There are animals, birds, fish, reptiles, and amphibians on watch lists and endangered lists, and hunting restrictions on what can be hunted and what cannot. So, YES! Agencies care and are active when monitoring even the smallest creatures all the way up to deer and moose populations as well as Grizzly bears. There is no way that these agencies don't care about a small population of RARE individuals who could be our closest cousins. To not think so makes no sense whatsoever.

 

Decontaminating samples to eliminate Human DNA is standard protocol the world over because Human DNA is everywhere and and anyone anywhere, in whatever lab doing DNA testing knows it. Otherwise every sample that ever came in from a Chimp, Gorilla, Orangutan, monkey, or any other primate would have to be tossed. But even with Human DNA contamination, there should be anomalies and mutations that are primate but not Human in the mix. And that's exactly what Dr. Harts chart showed. And that's what Dave Paulides was getting at in the video you posted. His comment basically said that EVERY DNA sample, of which there must have been hundreds if not thousands over the years, was contaminated with Human DNA?? Every one of them? With the careful decontamination protocols that labs take? I find that outcome of every sample getting tossed for that reason to be impossible. Sure a few, and maybe most could claim that but EVERY one? That's in the realm of the absurd.

 

Edited January 2, 2023 by hiflier

[norseman]

We know it happens. Borders, military installations, wild life studies, etc. 

 

The question is? Is this dismissed by them as a prank? Or do they take it seriously?

 

 

 

[hiflier]

^^^ They must wonder after a while, especially Border Patrol, how many hoaxers are involved and how they always seem to escape from being captured and incarcerated, especially if no vehicles are in any remote woods that the perpetrators used to drive into an area. But maybe they don't escape? It's sort of like surveillance by default where a creature or a Human wanders inadvertently into the digital net. Like that young woman on the coastal trail between BC ans Washington who wasn't aware she had crossed the border and got caught. BF's, who would be detected as large bipedal Humans must do that all the time, crossing back and forth at will between the US and Canada. How could they NOT be noticed? The answer must be that they are, and easily. due to the heightened awareness and surveillance technology deployed to thwart terrorist activities or possibilities.

 

So what if one was Border Partol and a BF got picked up in the surveillance network. Would one just sit back and say, "Oh, that's just a Sasquatch." Or would one have to go out and actually, physically, have to track the intruder down? Catch up with it and actually identify it? I would think that would be, or should be, SOP.

 

Edited January 2, 2023 by hiflier

[hiflier]

On the flip side, what if there is anti-personnel technology at work to mitigate border crossings? Or what if BF's are indeed tracked and so their locations are not only monitored but they are "encouraged" somehow to remain in locations that ensure isolation from the public as well as encroaching on the border? If so, it would then be easier to know if a bipedal entity's profile crossing the border was in fact a Human profile and NOT a Sasquatch's? The idea might suggest that those same methods of anti intrusion could be deployed to possibly keep U.S. Sasquatches away from U.S. Humans.

 

I've been presenting these thoughts and scenarios for a while now to try and gain a picture of the Sasquatch phenomenon as viewed through an official eye of the problem. There has been no physical proof of these creatures for nigh on 60-70 years now and there are more people in the woods than ever. Something is going on concerning these creatures beyond their just being elusive. Because, IMO, something about the Sasquatch picture is still not adding up.

 

Edited January 2, 2023 by hiflier

[Madison5716]

I'm guessing that there's some Mulder and Scully type dozen-person team assigned to Squatch-Watch and they may be the only folks who really know what happens - everyone else at the gov tries desperately not to be assigned to the basement. 

 

Meanwhile, these dozen Squatch-Watchers have 007-quality gear and unbelievable tech and are quite happy being the basement nerds assigned to this amazing phenomenon. 

 

Where do I apply?

Edited January 2, 2023 by Madison5716

[hiflier]

I'm surprised you haven't met up with any of them yet. They've probably been too busy chasing those little ones off of that lake bed before you and NorthWind show up

 

[entropy]

9 hours ago, hiflier said:

But even with Human DNA contamination, there should be anomalies and mutations that are primate but not Human in the mix. And that's exactly what Dr. Harts chart showed. 

Could you please elaborate on the above, or better yet, post a link to something discussing that chart and/or to the chart itself?  I'm very interested in learning more!

[hiflier]

55 minutes ago, entropy said:

Could you please elaborate on the above, or better yet, post a link to something discussing that chart and/or to the chart itself?  I'm very interested in learning more!

 

Sure. For starters, I don't know how familiar you are with DNA stuff but if you simply wish to see the chart just click in the box below and it will expand to reveal the whole frame. If you click in the frame on the thread's title at the top of the box it will take you there for a bit of reading. There is a fuller discussion somewhere. If you wish I'll see if I can find it:

 

 

Edited January 3, 2023 by hiflier