Is The Skookum Cast Still Considered To Be A Potential Bigfoot Lay?

[Guest parnassus]

That's not how science works, 127...you don't get to dismiss the valid scientific analyses of Drs Meldrum, et al with an "its an obvious elk lay, so they're wrong/stupid/bad for saying otherwise".

They've given specific, evidence-grounded reasons WHY it's not an elk lay. The Skeptics have yet to pony up anything other than blanket dismissals.

LOL "that's not how science works" Sorry but you are off on that.

Science works by publishing your work in peer reviewed journals and thus inviting criticism and stimulating more investigation. Eventually the value of the work becomes clear.

[Guest parnassus]

LAL: If you think that one hair means something - it can be DNA tested now free of charge via Ketchum. Now days we can DNA, its not just a visual inspection ID. Also, the elk did leave hoof prints where the legs were resting. Look at the end of the legs, there are hoof prints.

Also, I wanted to ask you something about your bigfoot theory with the skookum cast. You said the ground was frozen, and the bigfoot rested there and ate an apple and melted the ground correct?

Whatever happened to the DNA testing at was supposed to be done on saliva on the fruit remains?? Let me guess...

[Guest parnassus]

Whatever happened to the DNA testing at was supposed to be done on saliva on the fruit remains?? Let me guess...

I see the statement that "it didn't work."

What does that mean? Do you have a report?

[Guest parnassus]

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Since Dr. Melrum examined another buttock print cast ....

PUHLEEZ tell us you're not referring to the (drum roll) Paul Freeman Butt Cast(Rimshot). I may ROFL and can't get up. Tell me you have a cast of Freeman's butt for comparison. I mean bad science is one thing, but this wasn't even good police work...no ifs, ands or butts (Rimshot).

I think Meldrum was going to submit that to a beer-reviewed journal (Rimshot)....the International Journal of Escatology? I could be wrong...

Edited October 27, 2011 by parnassus

[Guest 127]

PUHLEEZ tell us you're not referring to the (drum roll) Paul Freeman Butt Cast(Rimshot). I may ROFL and can't get up. Tell me you have a cast of Freeman's butt for comparison. I mean bad science is one thing, but this wasn't even good police work...no ifs, ands or butts (Rimshot).

I think Meldrum was going to submit that to a beer-reviewed journal (Rimshot)....the International Journal of Escatology? I could be wrong...

What about this journal? Lol. I'm waiting for the lets police ourselves thing to happen.

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[Guest]

It isn't enough they "don't believe in [x]"; they won't stop until NOone "believes in [x]".

Your observation is not limited to skeptics, but, in our modern society, to all social elites who preach tolerance, but display behavior betraying them as among the most intolerant. The elitists have abandoned empiricism, how the world is, for a view defined by how they think the world should be. This disease has infected science, starting first in the soft social sciences (sociology and cultural anthropology), and it has spread into the environmental sciences. The elitists believe the scientist is defined by his degree, title, and position; however, the only thing that defines one as a functional scientist is one's behavior.

[Guest]

The elitists have abandoned empiricism, how the world is, for a view defined by how they think the world should be.

In this case, empiricism supports an elk as the maker of the impression in the Skookum Cast: Elk are abundant in the area, elk habitually bed down, elk like to wallow in mud puddles, elk often occur in the open along roadsides, elk are happy to nibble apples, there are elk prints in the cast, and the shape of the impression closely matches the anatomy of an elk when doing something that elk do every day.

The elitists believe the scientist is defined by his degree, title, and position; however, the only thing that defines one as a functional scientist is one's behavior.

So you're saying that Mulder was being elitist with his "credentialed scientist" mantra and that Jeff Meldrum would be a "functional scientist" if he submitted a paper on his analysis of the Skookum Cast?

[Guest Thepattywagon]

Your observation is not limited to skeptics, but, in our modern society, to all social elites who preach tolerance, but display behavior betraying them as among the most intolerant. The elitists have abandoned empiricism, how the world is, for a view defined by how they think the world should be. This disease has infected science, starting first in the soft social sciences (sociology and cultural anthropology), and it has spread into the environmental sciences. The elitists believe the scientist is defined by his degree, title, and position; however, the only thing that defines one as a functional scientist is one's behavior.

Ya got my daily 'Plus' on this one!

[Guest 127]

Your observation is not limited to skeptics, but, in our modern society, to all social elites who preach tolerance, but display behavior betraying them as among the most intolerant. The elitists have abandoned empiricism, how the world is, for a view defined by how they think the world should be. This disease has infected science, starting first in the soft social sciences (sociology and cultural anthropology), and it has spread into the environmental sciences. The elitists believe the scientist is defined by his degree, title, and position; however, the only thing that defines one as a functional scientist is one's behavior.

I think a scientists credibility should and does rely on how solid their conclusions are and what they relied on to reach them. If you disagree - please explain. Whether or not one likes the other personality has absolutely nothing to do with how solid their conclusions are, and that they have a solid foundation based on real physical evidence and not speculation or opinion only. (which is an arrogant position to not only form, but hold after you've been enlightened)

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[Guest LAL]

Whatever happened to the DNA testing at was supposed to be done on saliva on the fruit remains?? Let me guess...

Don't guess. The question's been answered.

What's so falling down funny about the Freeman buttocks cast? There's one very good reason it wasn't Paul's.

[Guest RedRatSnake]

I like my Scientists to get grilled by other Scientists until they cry the majority has an agreement, then study that agreement until it is strongly agreed upon ~ Further more ! all should be in Disagreement if one Scientist breaks from any agreement too study things for there own conclusion other than what was agreed on by the majority and it's original agreement.

Tim

[bipedalist]

Huh?!

edit....off topic

[Guest LAL]

tracks leading up to and away from the impression

elk hairs present (in large numbers) in the impression

the impression is the exact shape of an elk

The tracks were older and not related to the impression.

Elk hairs in an elk preserve are to be expected - and were expected.

The impression is not in the exact shape of an elk by actual measure and even if it were the elk could not rise straight up and leave a perfect imprint. There's no impression of a left hind leg as it rested, no smearing from rolling out of the impression or drag marks of hooves if an elk sproinged out of the mudhole. The mud was too firm to swallow the prints that should have been there if an elk had merely laid down, eaten apples (how did it strew bits over the impression?) and then got up and left. Please note the direction of those older tracks. I'm tired of posting the diagram.

There was abundant bear scat in the area too. Does that mean a bear did it? There were coyote tracks therefore a coyote did it?

Skamania County had the first legislation imposing penalties for wantonly killing a sasquatch. Their existance in the county has been taken somewhat seriously over the last several decades. The area is prime habitat and sightings such as that of a pair crossing a meadow by five DNR workers might possibly indicate there is a population there. Skamania County was home to the Ape Canyon incident, for whatever that's worth. This sighting is the one that got my attention:

[Guest RedRatSnake]

There was abundant bear scat in the area too. Does that mean a bear did it?

Let's see, Many Bears in the Area, BF sightings in the area

Bear . . . . . . . . . = BF

Tim

[wolftrax]

The tracks were older and not related to the impression.

And how do you know this? How was the conclusion reached that the tracks were older than the impression?

Elk hairs in an elk preserve are to be expected - and were expected.

The impression is not in the exact shape of an elk by actual measure and even if it were the elk could not rise straight up and leave a perfect imprint. There's no impression of a left hind leg as it rested, no smearing from rolling out of the impression or drag marks of hooves if an elk sproinged out of the mudhole. The mud was too firm to swallow the prints that should have been there if an elk had merely laid down, eaten apples (how did it strew bits over the impression?) and then got up and left.

And how do you know this? How many elk lays were studied before the claim was made that the hooves would have to be within the impression?