Relic

[Bigfoot Ed]

These discussions about the possibility of a relic hominid hominoid hominy hominy hominy are all patently ridiculous. I accept that the fossil record is sparse and punctuated with huge gaps but there are no evidence of any hominids hominoids hominies on North America except homo sapien sapien. To suggest that some creature crossd the Frozen Bering strait at the same time and has kept its existence hidden except for sporadic sightings and things like that; never ever being killed or found since then is absolutely ridiculous, idiotic, and contrary to quote unquote science and all things that make sense. 

Dont go mentioning some prehistoric fish, or the recently discovered chimpanzee or even the "hobbits" as some kind of proof it could happen. 

These are almost straw man arguments as far as I am concerned.  Now I only have a bachelor's in anthropology but I also am trained in forensic anthropology as well as religious studies and psychology. To suggest that Sasquatch/ Bigfoot or whatever has existed alongside man in North America and intentionally hidden the evidence of his existence would mean that it is smarter than homo sapien sapien, now granted if you do look at today's political discourse you might say that it wouldn't be too hard to be smarter than most homo sapien sapiens but it is also patently ridiculous if you think this idea all the way through. 

 

 

[Incorrigible1]

How's fishin'?

[hiflier]

Now lemme see, Larryzed, banned. As in Larryz.....ED, banned. And now Bigfoot Ed? Now that's just too funny!

[Huntster]

1 hour ago, Bigfoot Ed said:

........Now I only have a bachelor's in anthropology but I also am trained in forensic anthropology as well as religious studies and psychology.........

 

I didn't even make it through three classes of anthropology. I withdrew in time for a full refund, and sold my textbooks back at half price. The loss was minimal. The instructor was a woman, but quite a bit like you. We clashed.........

 

Psychologically, how would you diagnose refusal to let go of the need to argue/dominate others with whom you can't agree? Can't you just withdraw like I did at UAA, especially since you've been cast out repeatedly? 

[gigantor]

10 hours ago, Bigfoot Ed said:

but there are no evidence of any hominids hominoids hominies on North America except homo sapien sapien.

 

Wrong. From Nature:

 

A 130,000-year-old archaeological site in southern California, USA

 

"  .....  Th/U radiometric analysis of multiple bone specimens using diffusion–adsorption–decay dating models indicates a burial date of 130.7 ± 9.4 thousand years ago. These findings confirm the presence of an unidentified species of Homo at the CM site during the last interglacial period (MIS 5e; early late Pleistocene), indicating that humans with manual dexterity and the experiential knowledge to use hammerstones and anvils processed mastodon limb bones for marrow extraction and/or raw material for tool production.  "

 

 

[hiflier]

^^^ Manual dexterity....hammerstones....anvils = Game....set....match.

[7.62]

Welcome to the site fellow bigfoot enthusiast

[Doodler]

On 6/23/2023 at 10:14 PM, gigantor said:

 

Wrong. From Nature:

 

A 130,000-year-old archaeological site in southern California, USA

 

"  .....  Th/U radiometric analysis of multiple bone specimens using diffusion–adsorption–decay dating models indicates a burial date of 130.7 ± 9.4 thousand years ago. These findings confirm the presence of an unidentified species of Homo at the CM site during the last interglacial period (MIS 5e; early late Pleistocene), indicating that humans with manual dexterity and the experiential knowledge to use hammerstones and anvils processed mastodon limb bones for marrow extraction and/or raw material for tool production.  "

 

 

 

I feel like there are higher hurdles to show non-North East Asian ancestry for the first humans on the continent than their are for North East Asian ancestry. As in, any study that shows North East Asian DNA is promoted, any study that shows non North East Asian DNA is buried or ridiculed, it's methods called into question, and contamination is questioned.

[Huntster]

The people of northeast Asia are quite literally kissing cousins of the peoples of northwest America. Yet again, the land bridge fable is a fantasy. Not only can one walk across the ice pack from continent to continent, and that it's done all the time, skin boats have been used for millennia to cross on the water.

 

Just a few years ago a mentally ill man, well known in Alaska for his insane exploits, crossed the Bering Sea in an 8' dinghy. 

 

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/northwest/russia-returns-alaska-man-who-crossed-bering-sea-in-dinghy/

 

 

[norseman]

On 6/27/2023 at 4:56 AM, Doodler said:

 

I feel like there are higher hurdles to show non-North East Asian ancestry for the first humans on the continent than their are for North East Asian ancestry. As in, any study that shows North East Asian DNA is promoted, any study that shows non North East Asian DNA is buried or ridiculed, it's methods called into question, and contamination is questioned.

Supposedly 130,000 years ago? Homo Sapiens had not yet left Africa. Let alone crossed the Berengia land bridge.

 

Which means the thumbs that used a hammer and anvil technique to break open those bones to get to the bone marrow? Where not our own.

 

Something much older was already here.

[MIB]

2 hours ago, norseman said:

Supposedly 130,000 years ago? Homo Sapiens had not yet left Africa. Let alone crossed the Berengia land bridge.

 

Which means the thumbs that used a hammer and anvil technique to break open those bones to get to the bone marrow? Where not our own.

 

Something much older was already here.

 

From a Wikipedia article about Beringia:

 

A reconstruction of the sea-level history of the region indicated that a seaway existed from c. 135,000 – c. 70,000 YBP, a land bridge from c. 70,000 – c. 60,000 YBP, an intermittent connection from c. 60,000 – c. 30,000 YBP, a land bridge from c. 30,000 – c. 11,000 YBP, followed by a Holocene sea-level rise that reopened the strait.  Post-glacial rebound has continued to raise some sections of the coast.

 

So 130,000 years ago, if that's assumed precise, it'd been here a while if it came over land, not across water.

 

One possibility is they are simply wrong about how early H. sapiens left Africa.    The remaining evidence does not have to tell the full story, much may have been lost .. much HAS been lost, we just don't know which parts.

 

[norseman]

50 minutes ago, MIB said:

 

From a Wikipedia article about Beringia:

 

A reconstruction of the sea-level history of the region indicated that a seaway existed from c. 135,000 – c. 70,000 YBP, a land bridge from c. 70,000 – c. 60,000 YBP, an intermittent connection from c. 60,000 – c. 30,000 YBP, a land bridge from c. 30,000 – c. 11,000 YBP, followed by a Holocene sea-level rise that reopened the strait.  Post-glacial rebound has continued to raise some sections of the coast.

 

So 130,000 years ago, if that's assumed precise, it'd been here a while if it came over land, not across water.

 

One possibility is they are simply wrong about how early H. sapiens left Africa.    The remaining evidence does not have to tell the full story, much may have been lost .. much HAS been lost, we just don't know which parts.

 

I think it’s been proven that other bipedal species left Africa long before we did. What hasn’t been proven is that they ever made it to the Americas. Albeit WE did….. so why not something else?

We need more proof like this.

 

http://patagoniamonsters.blogspot.com/2019/12/more-on-erectus-calvaria-from-chapala.html

 

[bipedalist]

News flash, contrary to popular opinion Eskimos were not the first but part of a second wave of Native Americans in Northen and Central North America possibly with one exception the offshoot Nadene tribes of the PNW.  Apparently the first wave included the Tunit who disappeared 700 years ago who were known through legend as strong enough to crush the neck of a walrus and by themselves haul the carcass across ice, plus they had powerful magic by report.  Interestingly the word reticent was used to describe them.  They supposedly retreated back to Siberia but maybe there were outlier surviving superhumans.  That is not all apparently there were three key migrations from Siberia through or to the Americas.  Back migrations complicated things,  further; some of the dna research cited is now 11 years old.  Just when you think things are simple straight line solutions mother nature and dna migrations throw you a curve.  Yes, I think it possible somebody like a reticent Sasuatch got left in the magical woodpile from those migrations and back migrations. 

 

https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/202192

 

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/article/140828-arctic-migration-genome-genetics-dna-eskimos-inuit-dorset

 

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2012/jul/native-american-populations-descend-three-key-migrations

 

What this means for a hominid precursor of Bigfoot/Sasquatch moving through Beringia is unclear but certainly provides food for thought

Edited July 2, 2023 by bipedalist

[guyzonthropus]

, The original argument holds a good few flaws within it. With the fossil record as deficient as it is, there could well be most any number of hominid lines that developed, and later disappeared, either going extinct or getting "integrated" into other lines. With any successful species, especially generalist species, you will see range expansion as local populations reach the habitats capacity. Homo erectus reached at least se Asia in its expansion, who's to say they didn't go up the east coast of the continent as well? We're they the only ones on the move at that time? Perhaps what we currently define as H. erectus is actually a species complex which we have yet to recognize or differentiate.  

As I've posited in the past, hominids being hominids, successive waves of the various hominid forms would likely have "interacted" which would have resulted in quite possibly both displacement and some degree of integration, thereby pushing the ranges ever eastward, and eventually either north or south once reaching the coast.

 

With the various periods of glaciation, sea levels dropped, at times as far as by 300-400 feet. This interconnected many regions now viewed as distinct island chains such as swathes of indonesia(there are species found on the Malay peninsula, sumatra, and borneo, which might well indicate that lowered sea levels if not directly connecting these now insular regions, made crossing from one to another much easier) Australia and Papua New Guinea, and the lesser sunda islands, and of course, the Bering straight where it might not have been so much of an ice bridge species had to cross but a coastal plain along the southern edge. This could well have provided abundant food for clever onmivores, and with the subsequent rise in sea levels, all signs and indicators of such migrations would be effectively obscured(as would countless sites of more long term habitation) It seems kind of short sighted to think that as hominids expanded their successive ranges they didn't face bottlenecks at "end points" caused by periods of high sea levels, which then took advantage of the passageways proffered by dropping sea levels during glaciation. Even over the course of a single drop, there will be the forms that take off earlier in the cycle, to be followed by other forms or those of the first just less adventurous. But over time there will have been a fair number of various hominid forms(perhaps both "integrated" and "pure") crossing over to the new world in successive waves. What happened once they arrived in this hemisphere can only be guessed at this point, but during the rise of the megafauna, it might well be assumed that only the larger forms survived. It's quite possible that modern man got here much earlier, but that the variety of megapredators kept our numbers low enough that evidences of our presence were minimized, and that it was only with the demise/extinction of a majority  of them that signs of our existence became more apparent. In a similar fashion it's possible the megahominids were not overly prominent or large in number, but they hung on long enough, until the shifting climate made their omnivorous diet a critical asset that allowed their survival, and subsequent flourishing as the animal communities transformed, leaving them now as the giants amongst creatures.