Another Winter….where does Bigfoot go?

[norseman]

1 hour ago, FelixTheCat said:

Where I live, they have a range of travel, which diminishes as winter progresses, until the snow covered ground keeps them hostage in their innermost sanctum, which is the top of a hill which is very difficult to get to during the winter.  I did it one year because of unseasonably mild weather, and they promptly escorted me out, very scary at the time.

 

Did you get any evidence? If they are confined to a small space all winter it must be everywhere?

[FelixTheCat]

11 hours ago, norseman said:

Did you get any evidence? If they are confined to a small space all winter it must be everywhere?

I get everything except conclusive video/photographic proof. 

I found footprints, simple stick structures, rocks getting thrown at me-even got video of a rock hitting a tree next to me, I hear sticks breaking, wood knocks, rock clacking, and what sounds like bluff charges. 

I have not found any nest where they "live", but the top of the hill is thick and a large area, about 100 acres out of about 10,000 total summer range acres, but tough to investigate.

I have found what I would call, look-out nests, where they can sit and survey areas and trails leading up to the hill, always at the foot of eastern hemlock trees.

 

I seen one once, looked like a dark refrigerator sized object moving through the trees, upright, about 25 to 30 yards from me, I was recording video at the time but

my camera was at elbow height and not eye level, so I didn't get it on tape.

very frustrating.

 

why do we have such an assortment of forest creatures?  Maybe because they don't migrate and stay in areas they are used to.

 

just my thoughts after 11 years investigating

[norseman]

6 hours ago, FelixTheCat said:

I get everything except conclusive video/photographic proof. 

I found footprints, simple stick structures, rocks getting thrown at me-even got video of a rock hitting a tree next to me, I hear sticks breaking, wood knocks, rock clacking, and what sounds like bluff charges. 

I have not found any nest where they "live", but the top of the hill is thick and a large area, about 100 acres out of about 10,000 total summer range acres, but tough to investigate.

I have found what I would call, look-out nests, where they can sit and survey areas and trails leading up to the hill, always at the foot of eastern hemlock trees.

 

I seen one once, looked like a dark refrigerator sized object moving through the trees, upright, about 25 to 30 yards from me, I was recording video at the time but

my camera was at elbow height and not eye level, so I didn't get it on tape.

very frustrating.

 

why do we have such an assortment of forest creatures?  Maybe because they don't migrate and stay in areas they are used to.

 

just my thoughts after 11 years investigating

Videos will not be proof. I would focus on getting samples from the footcasts and nests. Anything the creature has touched may have DNA.

[Backdoc]

 

Where does Bigfoot go in the winter?

 

 

Winter Bigfoot:

This assumes a Bigfoot that can survive and live in winter conditions.   

 

As a given this type of animal would not have a requirement to migrate.  It may or it may not wish to but there is no need for it to 'fly south for the winter'.   This would mean it can either get its life support needs even with low temperatures, snow on the ground, and limited winter food supply (that is, no plants other than evergreen).   This might even make a person go so far as suggest hibernation due to conservation of food/body fat/ energy.  I don't think so.

 

We can look toward other known primates for guidance on what might Bigfoot do in the winter.   To my thinking, the big issue would be Bigfoot's life support of calories to keep Bigfoot alive.  This might involve plants which are not available when covered in the snow.      If Bigfoot eats migrating salmon, you think you would spot them right there with the bears pulling them out of the stream.

 

 

What does winter tell us about the issue of detection.  If bigfoot can meet all its survival needs in the winter, snow still doesn't help bigfoot hide.   If there is snow on the ground, there should be footprints EVERYWHERE.   Some brown or black tall primate should stick out against the backdrop of snow the same way a deer -normally hard to see in the woods in the summer- stands out against a snow-covered barren hillside covered in white.  

 

Thus, Bigfoot tracks should be in the snow all the time unless blowing, drifting, or new falling snow covers the tracks.   When this doesn't happen, it suggests Bigfoot is not around or there are barely any left to see any tracks before nature takes care of them.   We should have more track sightings and bigfoot sightings in the winter more than any other time for no other reason than Bigfoot would have a harder time to hide.  I saw a chart once that suggests this is not the case (if that report was accurate).

 

 

Summer Bigfoot:

Bigfoot would need to move out of any cold region unless it was a mild winter region.  Such an animal would have a need to move to warmer places where warmer temps supply his survival needs.

 

There is a general stereotype bigfoot lives in the PNW.   Don't know how cold it gets but I am sure the PNW it is a lot more mild than International Falls Minnesota.   

 

To my mind Bigfoot doesn't stay where the conditions don't meet its needs.   It goes to where its needs can be met so it probably migrates to some warmer area.

 

 

This is best summed up in the move JAWS from 1975:

 

• Brody: Now this shark that... that... that swims alone...
• Hooper: Rogue.
• Brody: What's it called?
• Hooper, Brody: [together] Rogue.
• Brody: Rogue, yeah. Now this guy, he... he keeps swimmin' around in a place where the feeding is good until the food supply is gone, right?
• Hooper: It's called "territoriality". It's just a theory that I happen to... agree with.

 

 

 

[norseman]

3 hours ago, Backdoc said:

 

Where does Bigfoot go in the winter?

 

 

Winter Bigfoot:

This assumes a Bigfoot that can survive and live in winter conditions.   

 

As a given this type of animal would not have a requirement to migrate.  It may or it may not wish to but there is no need for it to 'fly south for the winter'.   This would mean it can either get its life support needs even with low temperatures, snow on the ground, and limited winter food supply (that is, no plants other than evergreen).   This might even make a person go so far as suggest hibernation due to conservation of food/body fat/ energy.  I don't think so.

 

We can look toward other known primates for guidance on what might Bigfoot do in the winter.   To my thinking, the big issue would be Bigfoot's life support of calories to keep Bigfoot alive.  This might involve plants which are not available when covered in the snow.      If Bigfoot eats migrating salmon, you think you would spot them right there with the bears pulling them out of the stream.

 

 

What does winter tell us about the issue of detection.  If bigfoot can meet all its survival needs in the winter, snow still doesn't help bigfoot hide.   If there is snow on the ground, there should be footprints EVERYWHERE.   Some brown or black tall primate should stick out against the backdrop of snow the same way a deer -normally hard to see in the woods in the summer- stands out against a snow-covered barren hillside covered in white.  

 

Thus, Bigfoot tracks should be in the snow all the time unless blowing, drifting, or new falling snow covers the tracks.   When this doesn't happen, it suggests Bigfoot is not around or there are barely any left to see any tracks before nature takes care of them.   We should have more track sightings and bigfoot sightings in the winter more than any other time for no other reason than Bigfoot would have a harder time to hide.  I saw a chart once that suggests this is not the case (if that report was accurate).

 

 

Summer Bigfoot:

Bigfoot would need to move out of any cold region unless it was a mild winter region.  Such an animal would have a need to move to warmer places where warmer temps supply his survival needs.

 

There is a general stereotype bigfoot lives in the PNW.   Don't know how cold it gets but I am sure the PNW it is a lot more mild than International Falls Minnesota.   

 

To my mind Bigfoot doesn't stay where the conditions don't meet its needs.   It goes to where its needs can be met so it probably migrates to some warmer area.

 

 

This is best summed up in the move JAWS from 1975:

 

• Brody: Now this shark that... that... that swims alone...
• Hooper: Rogue.
• Brody: What's it called?
• Hooper, Brody: [together] Rogue.
• Brody: Rogue, yeah. Now this guy, he... he keeps swimmin' around in a place where the feeding is good until the food supply is gone, right?
• Hooper: It's called "territoriality". It's just a theory that I happen to... agree with.

 

 

 

A couple of thoughts.

 

In most cases to be able to move out of heavy winter is quite a trek. It’s not impossible. But one would have to cross major rivers, mountains ranges, freeways and rivers plus people.

 

Imagine a Bigfoot in Colorado walking to Arizona, or an Alberta Bigfoot walking and swimming to Vancouver Island. It’s no small feat.

 

I think it’s quite possible that they just cache food stores, not unlike a squirrel and hunker down. We only find their tracks in snow if something has gone wrong. Spring is late, something got into the food cache, etc?

[Chim Chim]

I’d be inclined to go along with the cache theory but I’d have issues with the quantities required, we’re talking a few thousand pounds.  Not an easy amount to gather in a secure spot(s) where weather and other animals wouldn’t get to it.  I’d find it more likely they’d have some deposits for when it got really rough and other than that stuck to the lowlands and lived off of what they could find.  This would bring them into closer proximity to people which would curtail their movement and reduce their required caloric intake somewhat.

[NCBFr]

On 11/10/2023 at 3:30 PM, norseman said:

My experience of the subject was in winter time. I’ve hoped and prayed ever since that day I would cut another fresh set of tracks in snow. But to no avail…..

 

Where does Bigfoot go in winter time?

 

What does he eat?

 

Why don’t we find more tracks?

 

 

In the east coast (NC) my experience is that they move down from the mountains in to warmer regions as they track food.  I have never had an experience in the summer but have had 1 roughly ever other year for the last 15 years from November to March as they hunt deer in the wilderness not far from my home.  They also follow rivers in their path.  Just my 2 cents.

 

Edited November 17, 2023 by NCBFr

[Backdoc]

Why might Bigfoot move from where Bigfoot is happy?

 

We must guess on tendencies of Bigfoot based on what same and similar animals might do or be expected to do.

 

Does Bigfoot hoard food?   Does Bigfoot eat until it's full but with no hoarding concerns due to abundant food all around?  What Bigfoot might eat?  Does Bigfoot's diet change with changing conditions?  Does Bigfoot eat meat?

 

I can only say any animal stays where conditions (food) are good and then moves on if those preferred conditions change.  I have to think as long as Bigfoot's wish list is in place Bigfoot stays put.  Now other factors unrelated to the wish list could still drive bigfoot to move.  They might be mankind moving in to develop the property whose activities drive Bigfoot out of there.  I think the main driver which would actually make Bigfoot migrate is a change in the weather.  I say this not as much because it could be getting cold but because real winter makes a lot of things go dead until the spring.   Bigfoot prefers to stay for the feast but leaves for the famine.   

 

'Winter' -as we think of winter- is a big negative to a lot of animals.  I can imagine many of those same reasons apply to bigfoot.   

 

Monkeys in the jungle probably have a year-round supply of bananas, water, bugs and so on.

 

Finally, the drive to procreate might cause Bigfoot to move on.  If Patty is looking for a boyfriend, she might not want to stay in Bluff Creek every Saturday night for 50 years.

 

 

[BobbyO]

On 11/11/2023 at 1:56 AM, gigantor said:

They can't stay put year round. They would consume everything in sight.

 

I always thought they are nomads.

 

 

I agree to an extent, but surely it would depend on the size of the 'range' they had that they would have as a home base or whatever the term would be ?

 

I say this as where that Olympic Project nest site is, and with the near 3 years of data we have on it now with the SM4 recording equipment, track finds etc, it appears that they're in that general area year round. Don't quote me on this but i'm close when saying that at worst, there are week long gaps with no 'unknown activity' (vocals/percussives etc), and that's rare.

 

Those week long 'absences' are Fall related too but even then, who knows if it's all of them moving on for a while or whether they're just not communicating within the boundaries of what the equipment can pick up ?

 

Winters, in that area anyway, appear to be prime time and that's when 'activity', from a data perspective anyway, is at its max.

[Chim Chim]

The Olympics have a fairly mild winter at the lower elevations, not sure where the nest sites are but I imagine that’s where any BF in the area would go then.

[norseman]

I just read through this. Which is germane to this thread.

 

I was thinking about the multiple nesting sites found in the Olympics. It would seem in areas of abundance they do seem to travel in small groups.

 

 

[Huntster]

8 hours ago, norseman said:

.........I was thinking about the multiple nesting sites found in the Olympics. It would seem in areas of abundance they do seem to travel in small groups.........

 

I believe Homo sapiens used to call these groups "families". Not big enough to overwhelm an area quickly, and small enough for a nomadic group to occasionally overlap other such groups for reproductive purposes, forming new such groups.

[Eastern Slopes]

I'm up in northern Alberta and I spend a lot of time ice fishing alone on fairly remote lakes. I've had a few experiences (large indistinct tracks going along the middle of lakes, multiple breaking branches that sounded intentional in the middle of the night on the nearest shore while camping, vocalizations from back in the bush that changed location throughout the day) that changed me from casually interested to something more.

 

I don't know anything, but I wouldn't be surprised if they are aware of which lakes have springs to allow access to water in winter, and other specific geographical things that would determine a suitable wintering site.

 

(I never made any significant attempts to investigate any of my experiences. I don't want to cause trouble or harass anyone/anything, I'm just trying to increase my own understanding of my world)

[norseman]

42 minutes ago, Eastern Slopes said:

I'm up in northern Alberta and I spend a lot of time ice fishing alone on fairly remote lakes. I've had a few experiences (large indistinct tracks going along the middle of lakes, multiple breaking branches that sounded intentional in the middle of the night on the nearest shore while camping, vocalizations from back in the bush that changed location throughout the day) that changed me from casually interested to something more.

 

I don't know anything, but I wouldn't be surprised if they are aware of which lakes have springs to allow access to water in winter, and other specific geographical things that would determine a suitable wintering site.

 

(I never made any significant attempts to investigate any of my experiences. I don't want to cause trouble or harass anyone/anything, I'm just trying to increase my own understanding of my world)

Thanks for sharing and welcome to the BFF!👍

[Eastern Slopes]

9 hours ago, norseman said:

Thanks for sharing and welcome to the BFF!👍

Thanks. I've been lurking around for a few years. This was one of the few times I felt I had something to share and an appropriate thread to jump into.