What About Sasquatch Nose Shape?

[hiflier]

Hello All,

 

This thread is for discussing what the differently shaped noses reported by Sasquatch witnesses might signify. Or are the different shapes significant at all? In the John Green Database, out of over 4,000 reports, less than a hundred have the nose shape detail listed.  

 

They fall basically into three categories: Large Flat Nose, Small Nose, and Human-like Nose. Is this an important distinction in Sasquatch? In some other posts I have used what little data there is to draw some rudimentary conclusions. One of those that you may have read is that the shape of a Sasquatch nose does not appear to be gender biased. At first I was wondering if the different shapes were related to gender but the data said no.

 

In another post I saw that what the data did seem to indicate is that Sasquatch that have differently shaped noses don't appear to mingle. That to me was interesting in and of itself. To me it sets up at least a couple of other dynamics that I have been considering.

 

Anyway, this thread is to get some input and opinion on any thoughts you may have on the issue. Or whether you even think it's important or not. In this discussion I would like very much to invite all Class A witnesses to include our habituator friends as well who have seen a face and can talk about nose shapes first hand. I believe nose shape to be quite significant myself and look foreward to what you have to say

 

Also, I've almost completed a small file from the database which I'll post once I get some state quadrants loaded into it for you to look at and perhaps help analyse when the time comes.   

[southernyahoo]

I've heard it mentioned that some appear to have a sort of pug nose with nostrils pointing forward a bit, then some are depicted more like a standard human nose but still wide.

[hiflier]

Hello southernyahoo,

 

Thanks for the reply first of all. Do you think the shape is significant? Initially I was thinking that a Human-like nose and a small nose were maybe one and the same thing. But your post leads me more to think now that "small" indicates what you said. That it may be describing simply a wide nose that is, well, smaller.

Edited November 19, 2013 by hiflier

[Guest]

OP the bigfoot's nozieess come in all shapes and sizes. Suffice for me to say there are significant reasons they are so.

[BobbyO]

I think eye witness descriptions on something as detailed as this, given the shock of seeing something that isn't meant to be there in the first place, is going to be so distorted that you're going to have a hard time in finding any real accuracy.

But good luck of course.

[southernyahoo]

Hello southernyahoo,

 

Thanks for the reply first of all. Do you think the shape is significant? Initially I was thinking that a Human-like nose and a small nose were maybe one and the same thing. But your post leads me more to think now that "small" indicates what you said. That it may be describing simply a wide nose that is, well, smaller.

 

I think it is significant in the sense that the nose is not described as being like an ape (gorilla or chimp-like) which I believe goes in hand with decreased prognathism and a more protruding nasal bridge bone.

[Bonehead74]

So...

Going with your numbers, less than 1 in 40 (or 2.5%) of the JG reports describe the creature's nose. I am extrapolating here, but let's assume that the same frequency of description would be found in other report collections. Now, divide that 2.5% into the three different nose types, (I'm curious to know if you calculated the breakdown of the three) for three discrete data sets each representing less than 1% of the total number of reports. I'm not convinced that those reports are statistically significant enough to warrant anything close to a concrete conclusion. I think the best take-away is that bigfoot (if they exist, of course) have different nose shapes, just like people.

Edited November 19, 2013 by Bonehead74

[hiflier]

Hello Bonehead74,

 

I agree the data is but a fraction of the overall and you bring up several valid points for not trusting conclusions. Nose shape is only a part of the puzzle though and out of context with the rest of the data it certainly would seem to be an invalid pursuit. But in context nose shape could be a factor in the overall study of the database. Some of the questions that arise are things like perhaps possible different Sasquatch species, Whether or not small-nosed Sasquatch are more dominant or more intelligent. Is it indicative of body size, aggressive behaviors, closer proximity to urban areas, or a drift in locale over the years. There are more questions beyond those which may or may not present themselves, again, in the context of the data taken as a whole.

 

John Green's 1978 book, The Apes Among Us, was issued with a summary at the end using about 1,300 reports. His database, 28 years later, has over 4,000 and no one has done a new summary. I'm on the ground floor of that and am throwing out ideas to generate some interest in the analysis process to create that summary. So far few if any takers.....Oh well....and yes, I have a breakdown of the three shapes but not as a percentage as you have so adroitly shown 

 

Nose shape anyone?

Edited November 19, 2013 by hiflier

[Guest]

The works appreciated hiflier.

I dont think you would find a squatach with human nose in the same group as ones with flat. id think they might even live in different parts of the country. I'm interested how many reports described a human nose.

[hiflier]

Hello ItsAsquatch,

Ask and you shall receive LOL. These are the 75 reports that have a nose shape description. Also as far as different nose-shaped groups mingling? I posted this on another thread:

Large flat nose:
1 large male
1 large female
1 large male, 1 large female
1 large male, 1 large female, 1 small
2 large- gender unknown
2 large- gender unknown
2 large- gender unknown
2 large, one small- gender unknown
1 medium, 1 small- gender unknown
More than 2 large- gender unknown
More than 2 large- gender unknown


Small nose:
1 large female
1 large male
1 large male, 1 large female, 1 small
2 large- gender unknown
2 large- gender unknown


Human nose:
2 large-gender unknown
2 large-gender unknown
Group of large and small- gender unknown
Group of large and small- gender unknown

Edited November 20, 2013 by hiflier

[Guest]

Can you attach a photo representation of your interpretation of each of these three nose shapes? I would imagine people's opinions on defining Large Flat, Small and Human shaped noses will vary.

[Lake County Bigfooot]

Given the variation of human noses, some based on ethnicity, others being simply unique, I would suggest that Sasquatch

might have a large degree of variation as well, not based on anything more than diversity in the gene pool.  So what is truly

distinctive about nose shapes needs to be identified, and perhaps identified by locality to see if there is any patterns.  If we

conclude that locality is a factor, then what influences determined such an adaptation.  I guess someone might be able to comment

on the efficiency of such adaptions, and why they occur in humans, and how that relates to environment.

[BobbyO]

That's a pretty low number set that Bonehead mentions, and tough to get any real definitive conclusions of anything from.

However, if you were to combine OR, BC and ID together with WA for example, then...........

Edited November 20, 2013 by BobbyO

[Guest JiggyPotamus]

I think the varying descriptions of the nose shape are highly significant, and I think there are three main explanations for such variation. First, the eyewitness was not able to gain and then convey the truth regarding this physical characteristic, for various reasons. That is understandable, and as I always say, eyewitnesses are much more likely to get the smaller details wrong as opposed to the larger details. The shape of the nose is a relatively small detail compared with the other things a witness is apt to notice.

 

The next explanation for such variation in the reports is that hoaxers are filing reports in which they are simply fabricating details. Although I highly doubt a large percentage of sighting reports are actually hoaxes, therefore this likely cannot account for the variations that we see in the data.

 

The most likely explanation in my opinion has to do with the physical development of sasquatch. I personally believe, or hypothesize, that the shape of the nose drastically changes with age. The newborn sasquatch likely has a much flatter nose than an adult or adolescent. As it ages, the sasquatch nose grows fuller and broader. But can this actually account for such variation in eyewitness reports? I highly doubt it. But, coupled with the first reason that I gave, and coupled with the fact that there is likely individual variation among the population, the seemingly different descriptions from witnesses can be explained adequately.

 

There are a handful of reports that seem quite outlandish as well, and I remember stating in another thread that these few reports that stick out for their details can be explained as hoaxes. The truth of the matter seems to be that the larger percentage of sasquatch have a nose similar to that of humans, except that it is much broader. The nostrils are generally quite rounded to the outside. In no way does a sasquatch nose look like that of a gorilla or a chimp, whose noses are relatively similar in shape.

 

Gorillas and chimpanzees have noses that are quite flat. The nostrils are rounded to a significant degree, but they are not rounded and sticking out in the same sense that they are in humans. So this physical characteristic of a sasquatch nose is widespread in my opinion. Now with that said, the main difference that can be found within the population is in the roundness of the nostriles, the thickness of the nose, and to a small degree the distance the nose protrudes from the face. But, the fact that the nose is human-like is shared among the entire population. 

 

The best way to think about some physical characteristics of the sasquatch, and how these traits differ among individuals, is to analyze the human population and the variations found among us as individuals. Generally speaking we are all the same, but there are variations to different degrees. The sasquatch variations are likely not as pronounced as the various races of humans, but there are probably still some differences. This is my opinion at least. Unfortunately I could not see the face as much as I would have liked during my sighting, as the animal was not directly facing me, but from what little I was able to see, the nose matches what I am describing in this post.

[hiflier]

Can you attach a photo representation of your interpretation of each of these three nose shapes? I would imagine people's opinions on defining Large Flat, Small and Human shaped noses will vary...

 

It is true that size is a subjective matter but generally speaking I would say these images from Scott Carpenter's Bigfoot Field Journal website probably shows the differences quite well:  

 

Small Nose

 

Human Nose

 

Large Flat Nose