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The Bigfoot aren't the only ones saying, "Bless their little hearts." Many of the same folks that are buying this nonsense bought Dyer's claims, too.

In a court of law if someone lies you are allowed to disregard anything they say. If they lie once, you never know what else they are lying about. So based on that I say he is lying about the entire episode unless he presents something to back up these claims he is making. I will leave open the possibility he actually found a torn up camp, they aren't hard to find, I've seen many of them. Drunken high-schoolers or even frat boys from SFA would be the likely culprit here, not BF. How would a bigfoot wrek that much havoc and not leave a single footprint? Did it sprout wings and hover about? All that is needed here is a little common sense to know what is going on. At best he found a torn up camp and made hoaxer hay while the sun was shining, and at worst he staged the entire episode. Then there is this thing about the government forcing him to shut down his youtube channel. Why would the government worry about a video of what any person (other than those who want to believe anything about BIgfoot) would easily recognize as the site of a drunken party and possibly fight? And why hasn't the government removed these campsite videos from other places? They are on several other sites in their entirety. Red flags every where with this one, except to those who refuse to see them. Find anymore bodies hanging in those trees? I'm still waiting to see them.

I say he is a bald face liar when he says he was questioned by private investigators. No bodies turning up or missing persons reported so therefore he has absolutely nothing to back up his claims. Therefore it seems obvious he tore the camp up himself then filmed it. He used the convienient "the feds threatened me" bs because he new the guillble of the BF world would then eat it up. I called him a hoaxer because he is. I have no problem labeling him. This ain't my first rodeo.

Roads, Roads, I don't need no stinking roads! Just finished my carrier rack. Those are 22 inch ATV tires to give you an idea of how big this is.

I'd prefer half the optimism and double the pragmatism but I'm not a lot of fun at parties.

Forgive me, but I think this thread is a nice case study of the problem(s) with the entire "field of research". There is a paucity of evidence and so people inevitably end up arguing over what amounts to campfire stories. Albeit in this case, a campfire story with a accompanying video. There was/were claims made but no supporting materials presented to bolster the claim(s). We can continue to spin around this but no one is going to change anyone else's opinions. So in the end, what are we accomplishing here? Is this a philosophical/rhetorical debate at this point? IMO, this sort of thing occurs with most/all cryptid issues though.

Garret wasn't "there" either when it comes to bodies being found. He said himself he deduced that two people were "missing" after supposedly talking to private investigators. So why don't you hold him to the same standards? Anyway, it seems obvious to me since there were no missing persons or lone survivor that Garret is a liar and this entire episode is a hoax, even the torn up campground. You can crop or enlarge that 'til the cows come home but there still are not going to be any bodies there.

.. after it learned what pictures are, and that the camera is for taking those pictures, and how to turn the power on (and understanding what "power" is and why it's needed), and then operating the shutter button, then of course making sure to direct the proper lens towards the fish eye, and framing it properly too. Those pesky all-knowing footses. ..because Bigfoot knows what evidence is and what it's used for, and what being rich is all about, and the concept behind money.

What people hoax, think or accept has absolutely no bearing or weight on what eye witnesses have seen or experienced for themselves. What does become very old is having your integrity questioned time and again for only telling the complete truth of what happened to you out there. Yes, the jokers and deceitful charlatans have given the skeptical public plenty of fodder to discredit and reject new information on this subject, but numbers do not lie and never change! If you forensically consider the multitude of documented incidents spanning hundreds years in hundreds of places and the recorded history by the Native People through cave paintings and totem figures, something is lurking about out there that is not easily seen, understood or given to any easy explanation. Something that will probably not change in my remaining lifetime, but is real none the less. I don't consider it a waste of time sharing the truth of things that have happened to me out there with interested folks. What has drastically changed is trying to debate or prove anything to those who have made up their minds this is all a bunch of worthless junk. That will not change either...

I tread lightly, too. Nobody wants to become labeled as a nut, or even worse. Hoaxing isn't always what I conclude, but it's entirely possible in many circumstances. I prefer to think that many of the "habituators" actually start out with a degree of tangible circumstances, like sounds, prints, etc., but end up having to spice things up. Why? Because the fanciful sounds better than the mundane. So you get accounts of tic-tac-toe playing creatures, or beasts that use their roar to shatter lake ice. Heck, these possibly extraterrestrial creatures have even been reported to mind speak with a human, telling them to look out at a pine cone on top of a car. Really? Why would any intellectually gifted alien use mind speak to alert someone to a symbol meant to convey a message when it could us its superior mind speak abilities to do just that? Yet more reminders to tread lightly. SO is no different than Bipto in terms of evidence brought to the table if you think about it. I concede this point to you, my friend. That's the problem - Evidence has been presented, but proof appears to be non-existent. Nobody's going to be a millionaire presenting bear DNA for testing, claiming "Angel DNA" is present from testing of samples, or from taking a video shot of an inconclusive blob (the PGF excluded). Unsubstantiated claims aren't even evidence, IMO.

Umm, sorry, but that ain't happening.

I cannot see gravity but I know it exists..... Every few months or so there are announcements....new species, new planet or stars, new diseases, new cures for those diseases and others. I put no limits on me or anyone else who feels like the possibilities are endless. I did not see who growled at me and my niece in Tennessee but I know it was not more than three feet away from us. And that was the very closest I've been to something bigger and badder than me and immediately got my respect. There have been very fantastic reports from time to time and even words being spoken. Those words and sounds came from a set of lungs so powerful that my rib cage vibrated. That Is not imagination, that people, is an experience. I and hubby were wide awake in the middle of the afternoon and the sound traveled from a creek and tree area up to and over us. We FELT it. Now, nobody here or anywhere is going to tell us that what we experienced was an hallucination. The funny thing is, we accepted it and went on, we know there are things that are completely unexplainable. I have a problem with those that think there ARE limits. Humans are naturally curious so what's the problem??? I can't be wounded nor can I be silenced at this point. If Mike had one or two videos or recordings, maybe...........but he and others like him, Scott Carpenter, Timbergiant, and a few others are trying to make contact. We want to know more..... And those that stand in my and their way need to move over and get the he!! out of our way. And being a millionaire never enters our mind....we just want to know.

Personally, I'm shocked that SO was able to pull the following he did for so long. The latest twist in this saga is just par for the course as far as I'm concerned. The "evidence," photos of fish eyes, the calling of his name on audio (which sounded like a teenage boy burping, IMO), and the claims of the Mighty Squatch shattering lake ice with its mighty roar all led me to believe that this guy was out there a bit... well, a lot, actually. Again, my humble opinion. The problem with hitching your wagon to a horse like this is that you have to put faith in their claims without ever seeing any substantiation whatsoever. Evidence should have been simple enough to obtain, especially if the guy was on a first name basis with the beast. A GoPro cam present at the next round of tic-tac toe would have sufficed, along with the hair samples that would inevitably fall from the creature. After all, the things were abundantly available, allegedly. It was a nice fantasy for the guy while it lasted, but, like with the other claims made regarding the creature, the storyline fails when evidence is required. Let's face it - If a girlfriend can shatter the fantastical claims made by this guy there was never anything really there to begin with. Scientific discovery of Bigfoot should have been a piece of cake if his claims were accurate.

Been a decent few months. Todd Standing - 'Retired'. Sasquatch Chronicles - Busted but refuses to die gracefully unfortunately. Mike Patterson - Now Tube-less.