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  1. I'm skeptical. I'm skeptical of Mike's claims. I'm skeptical of those claiming he's hoaxing. I'm skeptical of the guy claiming to hoax him. There's a fundamental principle we can apply if we are going to be rigorous instead of being knee jerk ... fools. Until we know, we don't know. Until we know what is, we don't know what can't be. Certainty of opinion does not equate to knowledge .. that's a form of narcissism. I think we need to allow this to be an unanswered question, something that may be uncomfortable to those who need an answer even if it is wrong more than they need the truth. We don't have the truth. So IMHO we need to let this stay a question, neither accepting nor rejecting, just watching .. then see what unfolds. Gotta remember how many people believed the so-called debunking of the PGF simply because they had an emotional need for it to be a hoax. Yet it has never been debunked. It has not been proven, either. Lack of a viable means of hoaxing does not eliminate a hoax any more than lack of proof of bigfoot is proof of lack of bigfoot. We need to let this be a question. As they say, 'just sit with it', and not try to force an answer where there isn't one.
    5 points
  2. I have an idea, that I am in the early stages of formulating into a plan. I want to do a three week-to-month-long stationary study in northern Idaho or Washington state. I'd like to invite a SMALL group of 2 or 3 experienced specialists to participate. NOTE: I plan to fund the endeavor out of my own pocket...food, fuel, associated fees, permits as needed, incidentals, et al. The experience I bring is being a VERY critical examiner of evidence from the perspective of a former police officer and homicide detective, and now attorney. I dig evidence, and can examine it from all sides, and try just as hard to DISprove it as I will to prove it. I am also a life long hunter and outdoorsman having been raised on a working cattle ranch in Arizona. My limitation, however, is that both my knees and right hip have been replaced due to a line of duty injury, so venturing too far afield is not in the cards for me. I would be the "in-camp" majordomo, and handle cooking, communications, physical security, and general monitoring of any gear that may need eyes on. The thought is that being in a camp, for an extended period of time with cooking, music, a TV playing movies (via satellite internet and DVD), the Sierra Sounds, recorded kids and women, and maybe even other primates would elicit curiosity or even a desire on the part of the Bigfoot in the area to want us gone from their territory and evoke harassment from them. In other words, some form of contact that could be documented via any technology available. My RV is an extended wheelbase FORD 3500 Diesel 4X4 that is capable of getting remote enough from other people that the chances of human harassment is mitigated to the greatest extent possible. It has a generator, solar, and satellite internet. I also have an 8 man, and 6 man, wall tents for sleeping and general usage. Other necessary camping gear is also part of my kit (mess and Chuck boxes and tables, chairs, cots, etc. I figure that if a group is going to be out there for an extended period of time, comfort, good food, warm beds, and a bit of personal space will be critical. GOAL: Gather, sustain, curate, and present evidence, both physical, and digital, of an extant relict hominem in North America. Obviously, gathering a specimen would be the ideal, but I am a "no kill just to prove it exists" type and would prefer to find the unicorn of a body, or significant part of a body...everyone can dream, right? Besides, I am NOT convinced that the chances of success in bringing out a specimen harvested via violence would be likely, let alone the chances of human survival after killing one would be likely either. Secondarily, I want to use whatever is found to publish a book on the study, and possibly, make any footage into documentary segments for my planned YouTube channel. Win or Lose, Succeed or Fail...I would like to bring this to fruition if for nothing more than the experience. SO....the question is: Am I nuts for thinking seriously about this? Don't hold back, I am asking for opinions.
    5 points
  3. I got sent this earlier in the week, what these Orangs are doing shouldn't come as any surprise to anyone. In the Olympic Project Nest Area, it's full all around with Evergreen/Wintergreen Huckleberry (Vaccinium Ovatum) which has various medicinal purposes, one being helping to facilitate strength after childbirth. Every one of the 20+ nests were made with this plant, with leaves found piled up next to specific nests, which had been stripped. I found some older correspondence regarding my thoughts on this kind of thing if anyone's interested, and i'll c&p it below. ---- Firstly, each and every nest is 'made' from Evergreen Huckleberry (Vaccinium Ovatum). Secondly regarding the Western Swordfern that is mentioned below. Bear in mind that when the guys walked in on the one making the nest back in Feb 2020 (just shout if you're not aware of that and i'll send the podcast/interview link) , a week later when back in the nest area, they found lots of leaves perfectly stripped from this Fern. It'll make more sense when reading further on so revert back to this for clarification when needed. Lastly, bear in mind that each and every nest both from 2016 and the recent 2020 nest, were all constructed/being constructed in the month of February. The Evergreen Huckleberry range makes up 21% of all Olympic and Kitsap Peninsula's land mass as per USGS. Broken down, we see the below. Spring - 40% of reports are from within or within 5 miles of the EH range (a 95% increase v the 21% of land mass). Summer - 55% of reports are from within or within 5 miles of the EH range (a 162% increase v the 21% of land mass). Fall - 53% of reports are from within or within 5 miles of the EH range (a 152% increase v the 21% of land mass) Winter - 59% of reports are from within or within 5 miles of the EH range (a 181% increase v the 21% of land mass) These numbers in my opinion are astonishingly high and i do not believe that it should be viewed as coincidence that winter leads the way with this data. ---- Evergreen Huck (Vaccinium Ovatum) which is the species of Huck at the nest site. There are 26 species of Huckleberry in North America with 3 that can be used as a 'birthing aid'. The Evergreen Huckleberry (Vaccinium Ovatum) is one of them as is the Oval-leaf Huckleberry (Vaccinium Ovalifolium, has a range in the Olympics but not the Kitsap Peninsula as per various sources and is generally found at higher elevations) and the Bog Bilberry (Vaccinium Uliginosum). Evergreen Huckleberry - The leaves are antiseptic, astringent, carminative and hypoglycaemic. An infusion of the leaves and sugar have been given to a mother after childbirth to help her regain her strength. A decoction of the leaves has been used in the treatment of diabetes. --- The Western Sword Fern, the fern that is the more common fern on the Kitsap Peninsula (geographically/technically separate from the Olympic Peninsula but combined within, within my numbers), and is at the nest site as per various pictures that have been matched up by three different, separate plant/flora ID tools and various flora/fauna experts at the site itself. There are around 40 different species of Fern in the PNW alone with only 2 that can be used as a 'birthing aid'. The Western Sword Fern is one of them. Western Swordfern - An infusion of the fronds has been used as a wash or poultice to treat boils and sores. The young shoots have been chewed and eaten as a treatment for cancer of the womb and to treat sore throats and tonsillitis. The leaves have been chewed by women to facilitate childbirth. The sporangia have been crushed and applied as a poultice to burns, sores and boils. A decoction of the rhizomes has been used in the treatment of dandruff. This is the Fern (again, confirmed within the three different plant ID apps) that the Guys found a few months back at the old nest site that had the leaves plucked/stripped off of the branches. --- As you'll notice from the above, both plants could potentially be used in a 'before (WSF) and after (EH)' type scenario if the nest areas are in fact used for the birthing process. It should also be noted where the Evergreen Huckleberry is also known as the 'Winter Huckleberry' among other things because they are the last fruit to be gathered and the berry's themselves are said to be most tastiest after freezing. Think nest construction months (February) and other general activity in that area. Both leaves and berries themselves are also high in Vitamin C. The fact that the specific species of both Huckleberry and Fern are what they are in the nest area is incredibly interesting to me, again, if in fact the nests are used a birthing area. On a side note, i recently looked at Gorilla Nest structure studies which led me to look for Gorilla Nests that were not just regular every-day type nests, but were being used within the Gorilla birthing process that had young present in the images. For these specific nests and using three separate plant/flora identification apps, i kept coming across a plant within the specific nests with young present called 'Guinean Henweed' which upon further research, yes, is a 'birthing aid' and i quote 'The roots are used as a remedy for toothache, and it has also been used to procure and abortion. A leaf maceration is applied to the belly to induce contractions in case of a difficult delivery.' end quote. I find it quite cool that a fully discovered and recorded Primate in Benin, West Africa, uses flora which can be used as a 'birthing aid' whilst 8,000 miles away in the Pacific Northwest of the United States of America, another albeit undiscovered Primate is potentially doing the exact same thing with the exact same type of localized flora that gives it the same advantages within a birthing area scenario..;)
    5 points
  4. Can't help you with books or movies, and can't tell you when i'll be finished, but i'm working on the long term Olympic Project Nest Area Recording Project which now has over 1,000 combined vocalization and percussive recordings from around 3 years now, that don't appear to belong to any known animal. I'm/We're also collecting localized actual visual sightings from that general area of which many aren't via the normal public ways that we gets reports for the SSR, and i truly believe that the general area there will soon enough provide something decent in way of a pic/video hopefully. Life and bills are right now slowing me down more than i want and that can't be helped, but imo and i appreciate i'm being a little vague here, this project and what it's appearing to yield, is keeping my head in the game, no doubt.
    5 points
  5. I like, and respect Dr. Meldrum. I have had several conversations with him over the last five years. His mind is razor sharp, and his ability to evaluate evidence and apply what he knows rivals the best detectives I ever worked with. That said...as some are asserting that he "sounds like a broken record" on the various podcasts he is invited to appear on...remember he is being asked the same questions over and over and over again. The fact that his answers remain the same is consistency in testimony. It also must be considered that new, or revolutionary evidence is extremely slow in coming, so what does he really have to comment on other than a relatively few new footprints that have come to him that are of a high enough quality to actually examine forensically? He is one of the very, very few researchers of any real high profile who remains committed to common sense, logic, reason, and the scientific method in his approach to the subject. He sticks to what he knows, and is the first to admit what he doesn't know. I give him a lot of credit for that.
    4 points
  6. Well, I for one, am firmly convinced that Sasquatch Ontario belongs in the same pantheon of hoaxers along with Rick Dyer and Todd Standing. I watched most of the videos years ago and at the very beginning of the first one, my eyes rolled so far into the back of my head I could watch my hair grow. I couldn't believe the number of rubes and suckers who bought into Mike's line of horse crap acting like this was some great cosmic breakthrough or the connection between the species was finally forged and all shall be revealed. I seem to recall this being discussed on the forums a while back at length and my opinion hasn't changed.
    3 points
  7. I have never seen the northern lights like this outside of Alaska. As a boy the northern lights looked like a white sheet over Canada. This time we could see all the colors and they were right above us.
    3 points
  8. I'm old, semi-retired and still good enough shape to hump a backpack, so I'm planning on some probably solo 10 to 14 day sojourns into ONP and ONF with the Dungeness drainages, in particular, this year as they are all in my backyard. If I do pack with someone, it's usually my brother or one of my girls and my RV is a bivy sack and a 90 liter backpack. Bear season here in WA (don't get me started on spring bear...) starts August 1 and late cat season ends tomorrow, the end of April so I'm usually packing an -06 or a 300 RUM and my own hand loads. I'm not totally pro kill, a corpse would solve the issue, but the personal consequences of the aftereffects need to be taken into account. Even if it was a real sasquatch one killed, certainly someone isn't going to like what you did and is going to legally come after you, or maybe in your mind, you just misrecognized a prank pulling human in a suit, or perhaps an out of season bear. My first action afterward would be to hire a lawyer just because.
    3 points
  9. I heard something very similar to the "samurai chatter" from both sides of my campsite in northern Idaho in the fall of 2021. It only lasted a couple of minutes until my English Mastiff male started his ranting and raving act. Kerry Arnold and I, may he rest in peace, had many discussions about the similarity in what I heard, what he had heard, and the Sierra Sounds. On the other hand, when I had my face to face daylight sighting in Glennie, Michigan in November of 1993 the only suspected vocalizations I heard in the two days leading up to it were a very guttural OOMPH sound. It's hard to know. I am convinced the Sierra Sounds are genuine Bigfoot vocalizations, but I am resistant to the paranormal track that Ron Morehead is espousing nowadays. I am firmly in the "flesh and blood" camp. I wish I could remember the man's name, but he was a former US Navy linguist who listened to the Sierra Sounds repeatedly, and asserts based upon his training and experience that there is an underlying language there. I certainly allow for that possibility, and think that it would be incredible if Bigfoot actually had a language and communication between species would be (however improbable) possible someday. See, this is the problem with being involved with Bigfoot...more questions always pop up.
    3 points
  10. I can't say Bigfoot is MY Bigfoot. I can't say they belong to anyone, though I have throughout my life of interest in Bigfoot seen "The Four Horsemen" all seem to lay claim to, and be jealous of, any evidence brought forth by the others. Dahinden wouldn't share files or info, and seemed to scoff at Krantz, and John Greene hated Dahinden according to Steenburgen....on and on and so it went. Personally, I can't poo poo anyone else's thoughts on the subject. After my face to face encounter in November, 1993, I went from being convinced by evidence that they were real and flesh and blood biological hominem, to knowing they were real. It took me a long time to tell anyone other than my maternal grandfather what had happened because I thought people, especially the police community of which I was a member would ride me mercilessly. But knowing didn't make me take possession of the one I saw, or have the temerity to claim I knew anything more about the creatures than I did before I saw one....I only knew that they were real. Nothing more about lifestyle, culture, habits, etc. Now, regardless of who it is that brings in incontrovertible proof to the public, and the scientific community, I will be almost sad for them because neither they nor the remaining Bigfoot in the area where it was discovered will know another moments peace for a long time.
    3 points
  11. Hello from Arizona, I have been interested in this species for many years now and also had a few encounters that left me really not wanting to encounter this species again, except from the safety of a moving vehicle. The reality of these things is just not really something that I want to mess around with. I'm interested in knowing their size as I am curious as to how they were able to silently move around in thick thorny brush in the dark without making a whole bunch of noise of breaking it all down. I just don't think the group that I encountered were that big, except for maybe one of them. I'm just generally curious as to what I was dealing with in those situations. I have been wanting to leave some trail cameras in some lonely canyons now for some time. However I am hesitant to lose them to theft so I have not done so. I may change my mind this year and just go for it and hide one really well.
    2 points
  12. Took my new girlfriend up mushroom hunting. She's a bigfoot enthusiast and we checked out a couple of interesting structures. So nice to find someone that has the same interests! We found plenty of mushrooms, but no tracks or definite structures. Still beautiful woods and had a great time. I installed my new winch bumper and 13k lbs winch last weekend, so was able to see how everything was working. Unfortunately, I had to break things off with the woman as she had an alarming number of red flags pop up the next day. I don't know which is harder to find; Bigfoot, or a woman over 40 who is conservative, Christian, beautiful, and not crazy, lol.
    2 points
  13. Timothy Treadwell was also a victim. He had fallen prey to environmental propaganda and his own ridiculous fantasies. He was clearly mentally ill. Yet Superintendent Williams was actually quoted in the Anchorage Daily News as actually supporting "his message" that he brought to elementary and secondary schools along with videos of his deadly antics with the bears. She belongs in prison, or fired upon initial investigation, but she actually ended up promoted to a senior position in the Dept. of the Interior............remarkabky similar to the Lyle Laverty story in upward mobility, except no sasquatches have killed anybody as a result of Laverty's failures. He just never pushed his knowledge of sasquatchery within the agency............that we know of......... https://ballotpedia.org/Deborah_L._Williams
    2 points
  14. They certainly believe they do. The courts can re-educate them on thier authorities, if the federal land managers run across the trespasser of their nightmares. Timothy Treadwell was just such a case. Even in death, he almost created the ultimate nightmare for Superintendant Williams, had not the media and fellow guilty parties helped cover up their lethal acquiescence. Mr. Treadwell violated national park policies on camping limits and bear interactions to the utmost degrees for 13 years, and even recorded his insane violations and posted them online for all to see. Simultaneously, just on the other side of the mountains at Brooks Camp, visitors were required to attend "bear school" upon arrival in order to stay at their artificial Jellystone Park circus. The air taxi operator who annually flew Treadwell to Kaflia Bay annually should have been legally and/or civilly prosecuted out of business, and had I been related to Treadwell, I would have seen it accomplished. I might not have gotten Williams hung from a legal lamppost, but they would have had to sacrifice Andrew Airways.
    2 points
  15. Got up high. Found some old bear poo (i think) Had to turn around.
    2 points
  16. Back up at Priest today. Lots of moose and Elk sign. Deer and turkey. Got snowed on. Tested out my inreach. It works.
    2 points
  17. 2 points
  18. A solid month long mission may be difficult to carry out due to National Forest camping restrictions. Perhaps two 14 day missions with a minor relocation. Recently, I reviewed NFS policy for my area. For me, I am limited to 28 days per year of dispersed camping. The common day limit number in National Forests is 14 days at one campsite and then you relocate. The policies for relocation vary. The Idaho Panhandle National Forests should be individually checked. Idaho is a bit different. Marijuana is not legal and they do not allow public nudity. Where is the fun in that? Colville National Forest is also 14 days at one campsite. I am sure that a forum member will chime in with a different opinion. I work alone so that I am always outnumbered. I carry a lot of water for one person. I cook with propane so that I am already set up when campfires are banned. In reviewing the 4 person mission with the F 350, I did not see water capacity listed in the early stage of planning. 4 persons ( and dogs ) for 28 days is over 100 gallons of drinking water. 4 stinky guys need to wash up so that is a huge amount of water. I can envision a small, enclosed utility trailer that will carry hundreds of gallons of water, propane / alcohol fuel supply for cooking / heating wash water, food and air tight bear proof containers to store garbage. You can't assume that burning garbage will be possible. N E Washington would be cool. Bears, deer, cougars, moose, wolves and our cousins. We lost the last of the Mountain Cariboo when they were captured and kidnapped to Canada for a species rehab project. An old map of wolf packs from 2016:
    2 points
  19. Well said. Out of all the big names in BF research , I give Meldrum's voice more credibility just as I gave Krantz when he was alive. I think the fact they stick to their guns and are professors with a lot to lose by being so adamant about the subject makes them even more trustworthy.
    2 points
  20. Pictures posted on the internet used for discussion and analysis are fair game. If you were to print them in a tshirt to sell... that's different.
    2 points
  21. While I take several trips into the dark forest each year, I have gone on only one bigfoot focused trip. Naturally, I was the new guy. But I did get to handle track castings by Bob Titmus and Bob Gimlin! We were on the East side of the Cascade Mountains in Washington State and intended to camp at a location where people have been frightened away by something throwing sticks from the woods. Forest service gates ruined that plan and we camped a few miles away. :( John Andrews showing a casting given to him by Bob Titmus.
    2 points
  22. Multiple times??? Did you fall down onto cow pies? A cat jumps up onto a hot stove one time. The thread is about getting zapped by Bigfoot, not getting zapped by Darwin. The Bigfoot zapping incidents are anecdotal, but interesting reads. All electrical shocks can have serious effects. I worked for a company that would send a worker who had been shocked to a hospital via aid vehicle for an EKG and observations. meow meow
    1 point
  23. There is a quote in Sasquatch Odyssey that comes to mind. Its something along the lines of "people who believe in Sasquatch are already contrarian to societal beliefs and that can make them prone to being extremely stubborn, which makes playing nicely in a group difficult." I like this idea, and wish I could do it. One day when the kids are grown and I've retired... Setting up a few campsites, spread out around a central operating base would be my preference. I like you guys, but the ability to get away from other people at the end of the day, especially people I don't know all that well, would be nice. You can also get more coverage that way. This also gives you the chance to try out more things in separate environments. No tech vs. higher tech, bait vs. no bait, etc.
    1 point
  24. I saw the same last night from my back deck! I had never seen the Northern Lights before, so was super stoked to see them!
    1 point
  25. I agree with the .338 idea. But many researchers are hung up on the dead Sasquatch part. I offer this as a stop gap solution. How many Bigfoot sightings are there each year? And how many of those are researchers? Dozens? All lost opportunities. They won’t shoot it with a gun…..they would rather pour dental resin on a track. Well? This biopsy dart idea could potentially prove its existence.
    1 point
  26. True, sometimes large groups develop conflicts........'too many cooks in the kitchen'. Initial scouting 14 day trips would be pleasant even if our cousins did not show up. Norseman is the finder of YouTube videos. The $2k costume in the video or the Chewbacca suit, like all full costumes would be very hot to wear. The synthetic materials would off-gas 'plastic / rubber smells' and the smells may be a huge problem. Be normal and smell like a human.
    1 point
  27. Did you know that the national animal of Scotland is the unicorn? Go get photos of a haggis and unicorn............ https://www.nts.org.uk/stories/the-unicorn-scotlands-national-animal
    1 point
  28. Sorry to read that. When I started reading your post, I was happy you'd found a lady. Yeah, they're rare find.
    1 point
  29. I remember seeing the Grizzly Man film, it was pretty good. And yep, it’s one thing to be a misguided fool and another to support their actions so they can continue until their inevitable end.
    1 point
  30. They must be very serious to place a plumbers helper in an outhouse.
    1 point
  31. Yes, the Skagit River starts in Manning Provincial Park and flows roughly west, parallel to the border before turning south at Skagit Bluffs on Hwy 3, feeding Ross lake right at the border.
    1 point
  32. Sorry. I kinda hijacked your thread. Anyhow if you wanna come up here and camp for a month? I would volunteer some of my time to help you select a spot or whatever you need to see this through. I cannot dedicate a month unfortunately, but would help as I could.
    1 point
  33. You were right. I misread the dart portion. Yes, a biopsy dart would be a great tool to have. Agreed.
    1 point
  34. Just because you say it is a bear doesn't make it so.
    1 point
  35. If the bear don’t fit you must acquit…
    1 point
  36. Pretty. Good luck.
    1 point
  37. Barring a skilled pal to show you some ropes, a good place to start if inclined to venture out is a book on basic wilderness navigating with map and compass (learn about local declination), spend a bit of time practicing in an open field, park or somewhere known. Then pick up a good topo or DeLorme gazetteer for your area/state and find a suitable locale for investigating. If you can find a "boxed" region between a lake/pond, mountain or woods road to explore, knowing that if you become disoriented you walk to the perimeter-- lake which you know is E or the mountain/hill base you know is W, or woods road looping around from N-S etc. I've often used this strategy bushwhacking up in the N ME woods, 5000 sq miles of desolate working forest, unmapped logging spurs that go nowhwere etc, if I get it wrong, I could be bushwhacking for days through swamps and balsam thicket, war zone of blowdowns. I started with just map and compass but when the woods are so thick, one can only take a bearing out to 50' -- there is a lot of room for error, and I've made them, great fun, 10 minutes of really knowing you're alive-- til re-oriented! I've wised up in my old age, carry a back-up gps and plb now. I don't rely on the former and prefer NEVER to use the latter. But for starting out, that tech is good reassurance, maybe enough to override concerns and get out there, just don't get lazy with learning the basic skills and become reliant on battery powered gizmos. Good luck, have fun, stay out of the news! https://www.exotac.com/products/essential-wilderness-navigation-a-real-world-guide-to-finding-your-way-safely-in-the-woods-with-or-without-a-map-compass-or-gps https://www.mhprofessional.com/the-essential-wilderness-navigator-how-to-find-your-way-in-the-great-outdoors-second-edition-9780071361101-usa
    1 point
  38. And I would have to agree with you to a certain extent. On one hand I think they have been doing fine without our help for hundreds of years. But I also think that with "discovery" comes, as you say, public concern and funding that would enable preservation and deep study. I'm sure that if physical proof came to be, there would be hunters out trying to score a Squatch (imagine the taxidermist bill). But for the most part, I think the species would be better off.
    1 point
  39. I just finished reading Ron's book on the sounds and its a fairly quick, breezy read. I too find the sounds very intriguing and if you asked me if I was certain they were Squatch made, I would be forced to say no. I mean, I don't think you can be absolutely certain. My brain has me thinking I heard extremely similar sounds watching a different Bigfoot film only it was during footage of two animals fighting. I seem to recall thinking that it sounded just like the Sierra sounds and I have racked my brain trying to figure it out. I tell you this, i could handle a whoop , a howl, or a wood knock....but that **** chatter would make me ruin my undies. As for Ron's woo aspects, yeah...i automatically dismiss all of that. In no way do I believe Bigfoot teleports to a different dimension, or can turn invisible, and what not. I think our brains try to adapt our mindset to explain the unexplainable so some may think if they can't see a BF but can hear it, it must be an interdimensional being traveling through the cosmos.
    1 point
  40. This is all very tiring. We can't even post an interview with one of our own without somebody launching ad hominem attacks. I had enough of it, its not who we are.
    1 point
  41. Bigfoot and other anomalous animals are caught on game cameras. And they get the same reception as any other Bigfoot photos or videos. Ridicule. We were just recently arguing over the Jacobs photo. Here a couple off the top of my head. If Bigfoot is something more than an animal? And is very aware of its surroundings? It could elude people and their toys fairly easily, but not always, no one is perfect. Also if they are exceedingly rare? There may not be any Bigfoot to take a picture of. But sometimes something strange is detected and discounted.
    1 point
  42. We've experienced 'similar' sounds under different circumstances. Here's a couple I could find that I knew where to find in my archives. I'll look thru and see what else I can find that's like that. clip-1-june-10-2012-224am.mp3 550068422_may-30-2012-200am-5302012DVRaudio.mp3 short-clip-of-paul-chased.mp3
    1 point
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