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Dear BFF Members, I want to take a moment to share some personal news with all of you. As many of you know, managing the forum and ensuring its continued growth and vibrancy has been a true labor of love for me. However, as my schedule and commitments have changed, I find that I no longer have the time and energy that this community truly deserves. It is with both a sense of pride and gratitude that I announce I am stepping aside as director of the Bigfoot Forums. But fear not, as I’m excited to introduce the new director who will be taking the reins – Norseman! Norseman has been an active and thoughtful member of this community for a long time. He brings a wealth of knowledge, a deep passion for Bigfoot, and a strong commitment to maintaining the welcoming and respectful atmosphere that has made this forum a special place for all of us. I am confident that under his leadership, the Bigfoot Forums will continue to thrive and grow, providing a platform for all of us to share our stories, theories, and experiences. I want to extend my heartfelt thanks to each and every one of you for making this community what it is today. It has been an honor to serve as your director, and I look forward to continuing to be a part of this journey, just in a different capacity. Please join me in welcoming Norseman to his new role. I know you’ll all offer him the same support and camaraderie that you’ve always shown me. Warm regards, Gigantor Outgoing Director, Bigfoot Forums7 points
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There are lots of reports and recordings of sounds of great volume from some unknown creature with similarity over time and across places. Many times witnesses have reported hearing anomalous vocalizations. I look at the evidence. Introduction: The Principles of Common Sense Reasoning and Abduction Scientific and rational inquiry rely on multiple forms of reasoning, including deductive, inductive, and abductive reasoning. Of these, abduction, first articulated systematically by Charles Sanders Peirce, is the method of inferring to the best explanation based on available evidence. It is not about certainty, but rather plausibility, allowing for tentative conclusions based on patterns of consistency and the absence of disconfirming evidence. The Key Elements of Abductive Reasoning in Investigating Sasquatch Vocalizations Collecting and examining evidence for plausibility – Looking at available data and determining its reliability. Considering multiple "lines" or "threads" of evidence – Not relying on a single data point but seeing how different forms of evidence interrelate. Building a plausible hypothesis based on the evidence – Identifying the most reasonable explanation given the cumulative data. Examining competing hypotheses – Considering alternative explanations and determining if they better explain the data. Assessing where and how evidence supports a hypothesis – Identifying points of consistency that reinforce the working theory. Assessing where and how evidence contradicts a hypothesis – Seeking disconfirming data that may require modifying or rejecting a hypothesis. Resolving contradictions – Not just deductive contradictions, but inconsistencies in the coherence of competing explanations. Detecting formal and informal problems in reasoning – Identifying logical fallacies used in arguments both for and against the hypothesis. Following the lines of evidence to plausible, tentative conclusions – Recognizing that strong conclusions require multiple converging lines of support. These principles, though abstract, find direct application in real-world cases, including the study of unidentified vocalizations attributed to Sasquatch. Applying Abductive Reasoning: The Case of Sasquatch Vocalizations For decades, vocalizations attributed to Sasquatch have been recorded and reported. With the advent of cell phones and small digital recorders, the frequency and quality of recorded vocalizations have increased. Witnesses consistently describe the sounds as: Immense in volume, often shaking their bodies. Different from known animal calls. Occurring in remote areas, sometimes without human presence. Occasionally accompanied by other sounds, such as footsteps, tree knocks, or breaking branches. The question becomes: What best explains these sounds? There are three competing hypotheses: Fraudulent/Hoax Hypothesis – All reports and recordings are fabrications. Known Animal Hypothesis – The sounds come from a species already identified. Unknown Creature Hypothesis – The sounds originate from an unidentified biological source, possibly a large primate. Each hypothesis must be tested against the available evidence to determine which one provides the most reasonable and coherent explanation. 1. The Structure of the Cumulative Argument A cumulative argument is based on multiple, independent lines of evidence, which together strengthen the case for a given hypothesis. Unlike deductive arguments, which require absolute proof, cumulative arguments gain credibility through consistency, coherence, and absence of disconfirming evidence. The foundational premise is simple: Recordings of Sasquatch vocalizations exist. They are independently attested. They have undergone analysis showing unique, unexplained patterns. From this baseline, multiple independent lines of evidence add support. 1.1. Sonogram Analysis: Consistency Across Time and Distance Thinker Thunker, a researcher, compared recordings 2,300 miles apart and 50 years apart. The sonographic features are identical and do not match known human or animal vocal patterns. If genuine, this suggests a geographically widespread, persistent sound source. 1.2. Linguistic Evidence: "Samurai Chatter" R. Scott Nelson, a cryptologic linguist, studied Sasquatch vocalizations (notably Ron Moorhead’s Sierra Sounds). His analysis indicates: Some recordings exhibit linguistic properties, including syntax and morphology. The patterns are structured and non-random, unlike typical animal calls. These patterns suggest a potential unknown form of communication. If valid, this places Sasquatch vocalizations among a handful of species (humans, dolphins, some apes) capable of complex vocal exchange. 1.3. Reports of Multiple Communicating Entities Witnesses frequently report hearing multiple creatures interacting vocally. Recordings capture call-and-response exchanges. If these sounds are communicative, they indicate intentional vocal production. 1.4. The Sounds Do Not Match Any Known Animal Comparative studies against wolves, foxes, elk, bears, and primates have found no match. Some vocalizations include frequency ranges, duration, and volume beyond known species. If the sounds do not match an existing animal, then what is producing them? 1.5. The Volume and Physical Impact of the Sounds Witnesses consistently describe immense volume. Some sounds reportedly vibrate the human body, suggesting a massive lung capacity. This is physically beyond human capability, making hoaxing improbable. 1.6. Consistency Across Reports and Recordings Patterns of vocalization are consistent across: Time (decades apart) Geography (widespread locations) Witnesses (independent observers) This suggests the same biological source rather than random anomalies. 2. Evaluating the Competing Hypotheses 2.1. Fraudulent/Hoax Hypothesis Some hoaxes exist, but dismissing all vocalizations as hoaxes requires: A massive, long-term, coordinated deception. The ability to fake sonograms across decades. The ability to mimic structured linguistic elements. This stretches plausibility past reason. 2.2. Known Animal Hypothesis No known species consistently matches the recordings. No biologist has identified a definitive source. The sounds persist despite extensive wildlife research. If a known animal produced these calls, we should have identified it by now. 2.3. Unknown Creature Hypothesis The hypothesis that an unidentified primate is responsible is not inherently implausible. Uncharted regions exist, and new species continue to be discovered. This hypothesis best accounts for the data without introducing contradictions. 3. Examining Skeptical Counterarguments and Logical Fallacies 3.1. "Extraordinary Claims Require Extraordinary Evidence" The claim that all Sasquatch vocalizations are hoaxes is also extraordinary and requires proof. The recordings exist and are available for analysis. This argument shifts the burden of proof unfairly. 3.2. "Witnesses Are Unreliable" Human perception is fallible, but: Independent, consistent reports across time and geography indicate a real phenomenon. Dismissing all witness testimony is a sweeping generalization fallacy. 3.3. "Hoaxes Explain Everything" This assumes hoaxes without evidence. It fails to explain: Sonographic consistency. Linguistic structure. Immense vocal volume. 3.4. "It’s Just Another Animal" This fails to identify a species matching the sounds. If the sounds belonged to a known species, biologists should have recognized them by now. 4. Conclusions: The Need for Further Investigation The cumulative argument shows that: Skeptical dismissals often rely on flawed reasoning. The hoax hypothesis lacks credibility. The unknown species hypothesis best accounts for the data. Without direct counter-evidence, outright rejection of the Sasquatch vocalization hypothesis is unscientific. The most reasonable position is continued investigation based on the best available evidence. Videos 1 - Thinker Thunker: Ron Morehead's Legendary “Sierra Sounds Bigfoot Recordings” Has Finally Met Its Match Analysis of sonographic similarities between recordings 2,300 miles apart and 40 years apart, suggesting a persistent, widespread biological source. Watch on YouTube 2 - Sasquatch Sierra Sounds by Ron Morehead & Al Berry (HD) The original 1970s recordings from the Sierra Nevada mountains, regarded as some of the most compelling Sasquatch vocalizations ever captured. Watch on YouTube 3 - Bigfoot Language: Radical Translation of the Berry-Morehead Tapes - Scott Nelson A cryptologic linguist’s analysis of the Sierra Sounds, concluding that the vocalizations exhibit linguistic properties consistent with structured communication. Watch on YouTube 4 - The Best Bigfoot Sounds Recorded in Washington State | Salish Sasquatch A compilation of nearly 50 years of Sasquatch vocal recordings from Washington State, featuring some of the most compelling audio evidence to date. Watch on YouTube These videos provide direct audio evidence supporting the cumulative argument regarding Sasquatch vocalizations, analyzed through sonograms, linguistic structure, and geographic distribution.5 points
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"Not a Jeep guy!?? Next you will tell us you hate Apple pie! Do better! 🇺🇸🫡" Jeep currently has one model. They are owned by Stellantis, which is European. Stellantis, like other companies, does not get along with the United Auto Workers union. I would bank on them to leave the US. Jeep owners should start hording parts. Older Jeeps have mixed reviews. Apple pie is over rated. Go for a berry pie. You forgot baseball. I forget baseball all the time because it is a legal monopoly. Back to the thread. The Rubicon has the optional extra wires on the front outboard positions to cut brush. Nice touch for those very off road bushy areas. I did not see any ducks on those Jeeps and I thought ducks are mandatory accessories.5 points
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Just a huge Bravo to @gigantor for keeping the Sas in the Squatch over some difficult times and some good times, much respect to your Herculean efforts bro! And you could not have passed the torch to a more deserving Director in @norseman ! I know he has a lot of experience in reining in the mules @Catmandoo5 points
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This Channel regularly promotes false stories embellished to make them more frightening and proof of existence of cryptics. Several days ago I watched their video "The Vanishing of Thomas Burd The Alaskan Horror and Bigfoot Encounter" It, like this video provided details, photos and even a realistic video purported to have been found on the victims phone of some creature banging on a trailer and growling. I looked it up and found no missing Thomas Burd. But I did find his photo under a missing person report named THOMAS SEIBOLD. Who contrary to the video did not leave a journal detailing him being followed by some creature or a camera phone video. "Published: December 9, 2012 Weeks ago, winter locked the Brooks Range mountains of Alaska's far northwest in its long, cold embrace, and it's clear that out there somewhere near the Arctic edge of the North American continent lies the body of Thomas Seibold. A search by Alaska State Troopers, complicated by no clear idea of where exactly to look for the German-born adventurer, ended in November. Friends and coworkers of Seibold from the Teaching Drum Outdoor School in Three Lakes, Wisc., took up the hunt afterwards, but they have gone home after a last-ditch effort found no trace. ( Anchorage Daily News). The guy from the YT channel " The outdoor Gear Review" has related that he has found clips from his videos on other channels purporting to say him being attacked or disappearing because of Bigfoot. There's a lot of ******** out there4 points
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I have not watched the video posted above, but I did read the book about the disappearance of Jacob Gray and wrote a book review back in 2020 in BFF (see link below). I thought it was a good book, but there was nothing related to Sasquatch in this sad case.4 points
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Somehow I received a copy even though I was not an editor; so for now, just let me say this: This book is stunning in content, photographs, and production. Joe here4 points
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Redhawk is in my estimation correct, the majority of the content out there is fake or misrepresented and as you noted expanded to other realms to stay relevant. It makes people both here and in our circles sick as we then get slapped with being in the " community " and therefore guilty by association. I personally will state on record that Expedition Bigfoot is entirely fabricated, that is my opinion.4 points
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First off, it's interesting information, second it's a revolution in the understanding of human evolution and as far as it being sasquatch related, It's elementary. If there's evidence that neanderthal and or homoerectus lived in NA, it's evidence that hominids spread world wide far more than previously recorded. And, since we don't actually know what sasquatch is, and some of the leading theories are that sasquatch are relic hominids like these two species, just evolved for bigness by a million years of isolation on this hemisphere, it follows that evidence for these two species being here is evidence for sasquatch more likely being them or their descendants. Personally, and entirely unrelated to how these two being in the WH, I think we are being slow walked into realization that "human" is a very loose term at best and a dozen distinct but related animals are known as mankind today. Like dogs are a hundred different breeds but still cross fertile, so is mankind. But only time will tell.4 points
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Autism itself isn't a mental illness. It's a physical difference in the brain structure that manifests as different perceptions resulting in different behaviors. If those behaviors are sufficiently damaging to the life of the person exhibiting the behaviors, it can be called a disorder. But it's not an illness. I am autistic. I rock back and forth without thought because it brings the world in focus and eliminates random noise. I often do so to a beat at a half or quarter the tempo of the beat like a metronome. It gets super obvious when I'm a bit tipsy as my threshold for distractions decreases and the need to focus becomes more important. So what we call autistic in humans might be entirely neurotypical for sasquatches. It can't cause a disorder because it can't disrupt their lives (and they can't be diagnosed, they won't answer the diagnostic questions lol). Their apparent behavior certainly could be compared to the behavior of autistic humans, sharing some behaviors, but it's illogical to tie the two together because different animals have different senses and different neurological makeup. Calling them autistic is like saying a lion is broken for eating a zebra. No, that's just what lions do.4 points
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Observations Some of my armchair views based on decades of kibitzing on this site and reading far too many books. Field researcher? Heck no: If Sasquatch does not exist, we have a real problem explaining all the evidence. It would mean untold numbers of people over centuries, across continents, are all wrong. How is that possible or credible? Not all evidence in various lines of evidence is of the same strength. Some is undoubtedly incorrect, but determining correctness is an empirical task. The argument relies on human judgment, interpretation, subjective probability, and intuition. It cannot be shown rigorously in most cases, though some lines of evidence are so strong that only a moron could doubt them. The Patterson-Gimlin film is the most compelling single piece of evidence. Bill Munns and others have systematically analyzed it, demonstrating biomechanical and anatomical features inconsistent with a human in a costume. Reported Sasquatch vocalizations and threat behavior are highly compelling. Sonographic analysis confirms their uniqueness, making recorded sound evidence impossible to dismiss without rigorous scrutiny. Tracks, trackways, and footprint casts are among the strongest evidence. As René Dahinden stated, “Something was making those tracks.” The anatomical details, midtarsal break, and consistency across time and geography point to a real biological entity. The sheer number of reported sightings and encounters indicates a real creature exists. Many reports go unreported due to fear of ridicule. This is a tip-of-the-iceberg phenomenon. Sasquatch sightings are unfairly equated with lunacy. This stems from media mockery, scientific resistance, social conformity, pseudo-skepticism, and false assumptions that science would have already confirmed it if real. Most people do not understand the vastness of wilderness. They rarely venture into it and, when they do, stick to trails and roads. True wilderness remains largely unexplored, making the assumption that Sasquatch "would have been found by now" uninformed. Sasquatch has already been discovered, but it is a "premature discovery." As John Bindernagel noted, the evidence is already sufficient, but institutional resistance prevents formal recognition. Animal researcher Gareth Patterson in South Africa has documented Sasquatch-like beings. He is highly experienced with African wildlife, lending credibility to reports of similar creatures outside North America. Sasquatch-like creatures are reported across all continents. Though names vary, reports from North America, South America, Europe, Asia, Africa, and Australia describe similar creatures, supporting the hypothesis of a real, globally distributed phenomenon. The cumulative case is very strong, yet skepticism persists. Skeptics have no substantive counterargument beyond outright dismissal and mockery, often branding all evidence as "woo-woo" without engagement. If Sasquatch does not exist, the lines of evidence need explaining. The idea that all reports—across time, geography, and demographics—are hoaxes, mistakes, or psychological illusions is far harder to believe than the conclusion that Sasquatch is real. Few people have the ability to think systematically. Most rely on intuition rather than method, making their reasoning ad hoc and biased. True systematic thinking is a personality trait as much as an intellectual skill, but it can be taught. David Ray Griffin introduced the concept of cumulative argument, which most people do not naturally apply. Their bias against Sasquatch stems from disconfirmation bias. Various Lines of Evidence for Sasquatch This list covers various lines of evidence that support the cumulative case for Sasquatch as a real, undiscovered primate species: Historical Accounts Worldwide – Reports of large, unknown primates in old records across multiple cultures. Indigenous Stories Worldwide – Consistent oral traditions describing large, intelligent, hairy bipeds. Recorded Sounds, Footsteps, and Vocalizations – Documented unknown calls, howls, and wood knocks analyzed sonographically. Photographic and Visual Reports – Thousands of sightings, some captured on camera, varying in clarity. Aggressive Behaviors and Intimidation – Reports of stalking, tree-breaking, rock-throwing, and territorial displays. Stealth, Speed, and Locomotion – Observed silent movement, great speed, climbing ability, and occasional quadrupedal motion. Distinct, Overwhelming Odor – Witnesses describe a foul, musky smell, stronger than any known animal. Attacks on Structures and Vehicles – Reports of cabins, trailers, and trucks being hit, shaken, or attempted break-ins. Habitat Preferences – Strong correlation between sightings and heavily forested, high-rainfall, or riverine environments. Abduction and Predation Reports – Rare but persistent stories of people being taken or attacked. Observed Food Gathering and Hunting – Reports of Sasquatch eating berries, hunting deer, and scavenging. Ecological Niche Similar to Black Bears – Sightings align with known bear ranges and food sources. High Number of Sightings and Encounters – Thousands of reports, likely a fraction of actual encounters. Hair and Biological Samples – Some DNA tests return “unknown primate,” but findings remain contested. Tree Structures and Nests – Large, manipulated tree formations and bedding sites found in remote areas. Vocal Mimicry – Reports of Sasquatch imitating human voices and animal calls. Gifting and Object Exchanges – Some witnesses claim repeated interactions involving item exchanges. Scientific Research and Footprint Analysis – Work by Krantz, Meldrum, and others showing unique foot anatomy. Reports of High Strangeness (Excluded from Biological Hypothesis) – Shape-shifting, portal travel, etc. (unverifiable). Historical Accounts of Human-Sasquatch Conflict – Reports of past violent encounters with early settlers and indigenous people. Old Newspaper and Journal Accounts – 19th and early 20th-century articles documenting sightings and encounters. Reports of Sasquatch Bodies – Stories of dead Sasquatch from shootings, roadkill, fires, and Mount St. Helens. 911 Calls and Law Enforcement Reports – Emergency calls and police accounts describing encounters. Scientific Journal Articles and Cryptozoological Research – Published studies analyzing footprint evidence, vocalizations, and anatomy. Global Distribution of Sasquatch-Like Beings – Reports exist on all continents except Antarctica. Appendix A - Some principles for common-sense reasoning and abductive reasoning follow: Guidelines for Reasoning (Abductive Thinking) Collecting and examining evidence for plausibility. Looking at various 'lines' or 'threads' of evidence. Using these lines of evidence to build a plausible hypothesis. Examining competing hypotheses. Looking for where and how evidence supports a hypothesis. Looking for where and how evidence conflicts with a hypothesis. Resolving contradictions (not just deductive logical contradictions but broader contradictions in reasoning). Detecting formal and informal problems with reasoning. Seeing where the lines of evidence take us to plausible, if tentative, conclusions. These principles establish abductive reasoning as a structured yet flexible process, integrating evidence, competing hypotheses, and plausibility assessments to reach reasonable but tentative conclusions. Appendix B - Observations on Reasoning Itself Reasoning depends upon intuition or the subconscious. – The underlying cognitive processes guiding reasoning remain largely mysterious. Some reasoning is accomplished with language. – Language structures and communicates thought, but reasoning is not confined to linguistic expression. Emotions and biases disturb reasoning. – Subjective influences can distort logical analysis and judgment. Reasoning involves innumerable cognitive operations. – These include abstraction, analogy, classification, categorization, generalization, pattern recognition, pattern manipulation, memory, and other cognitive processes. The dimensions of human reasoning exceed our full understanding. – The complexity of thought processes goes beyond what can be completely grasped or formalized. Appendix C - Observations on Subjective Probabilities We use probabilistic reasoning routinely. – This is an integral part of intuition. Probabilistic reasoning is not mathematical. – It is informal and subjective rather than strictly numerical. It is based on human flawed judgment. – Errors, biases, and limitations shape probabilistic reasoning. It is based upon past experiences. – Prior knowledge and experiences heavily influence reasoning. It is not mathematically computable. – While mathematicians attempt to formalize it, human probabilistic reasoning remains beyond strict computation. Appendix D - Essentials of Reasoning Understanding the world. – Making sense of reality through structured thought. Describing the world. – Formulating explanations and representations. Recognizing patterns. – Identifying recurring structures and relationships. Examining causality. – Determining cause-and-effect relationships. Making inferences. – Drawing conclusions from available information. Assessing correlations. – Identifying connections between variables. Aiming for prediction and control. – Using reasoning to anticipate outcomes and influence events. Appendix E - Lines of Evidence and Cumulative Arguments Lines of evidence can be hierarchically ordered and used to build a cumulative argument. This approach lacks the strict rigor of deductive logic but is far more broadly applicable in reasoning. It allows for flexible yet structured inference based on multiple supporting factors. These principles outline how common-sense reasoning functions, integrating evidence, pattern recognition, probabilistic intuition, and structured abductive inference to form rational conclusions based on incomplete but interpretable data.3 points
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I am not a jeep guy. I am not a ghost guy. I was suspicious from the beginning when I did not hear "are we there yet?" Jeeps appear to be newer units as I did not see a smoke trail from the evil rear main oil seal leak phenomena of the past. Their camera action is very stable. The ghost episode sucks. Data bands are not shown. I am guessing it is composite imagery. An inexpensive trail cam would have picked up more detail of the costume outline but the opacity was adjusted for a spooky transparent look. Fail. No need to call the Ghostbusters. Notes to self: always allow another vehicle to drive through water first so they can find the deep locations and sinkholes and to scare unarmed persons just walk around with 2 flashlights that emit red light.3 points
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I respectfully disagree with Patterson-Gimlin that the best Sasquatch tracks are from hard crust snow requiring massive weight. For example once Cliff Olson and I found several hundred tracks at or near the quarry on the east end of Whale Head above Ripplebrook Ranger Station. That happened about Thanksgiving week when we were looking for a Christmas tree. The snow, in places was 18" deep and fresh that night. The weight of the Sasquatch compressed the snow so we could see toes, dermal ridges, the "mid-tarsal" break, etc. We took lots of film photos but the light was rotten. It was perfectly obvious that the Sasquatch had walked to the edge of the quarry road and looked at the glow from Estacada and beyond in the night. We went back up the next day only to find blown snow had covered the trackway. In another instance, Steve Kiley and I found good, fresh snow tracks in snow up Indian Henry and there was no crust involved. We managed to cast three imprints, but they didn't come out too good but Ray Crowe put them in his "museum." Given these and other examples, I think the best tracks are in fresh, thick Cascade Mountain snow, or in impressionable soil. What it takes is time and gas money to find them. I also found good snow tracks on Flat Top Mountain in the Oregon Coast range, among other finds. The quality of the snow and freshness are important. Good trackways have parallel tracks. I suggest studying common animal tracks made in snow. Joe here3 points
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That and rabbits are certainly sources of long stride imprints in snow, but they both tend to be in a very straight line, with no left/right offset. The snow trackway I found and took John Green to see back around '78/79 were long stride, large size, and noticeably offset, though not to the same extent as human tracks usually are. This video reminded me of a hunting trip back in the '60s when I was sitting on a snow covered log, wearing snow pattern fleece camo, and an ermine ran along the log, right across my lap, without acknowledging my presence. Nature is great!3 points
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Congratulations Norseman, you’ll be a good director! Hope you still have time to share pics from your trail cam. Thanks and deep appreciation to Gigantor for all your efforts as director and tech stuff to keep us happily online.3 points
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I think that mindset plays in a couple of ways. First, if a person doesn't want existence proven, yep, keep your evidence to yourself. Second, if YOU want YOU to be the one that proves existence, you have to keep your evidence to yourself. Most of have a network of sorts and SOMEONE will recognize the background. When that happens, you'll have many other people in your spot and your chance .. and likely theirs .. to prove existence vanishes when the traffic increases. I have pictures I wish I could share, not of bigfoot, but to illustrate stories / accounts I've shared here in writing several times. Sure as heck, if I post those pictures, someone will recognize the location 'cause there are a couple fairly clear identifying land marks and when that happens, my chance to get audio again, or to see anything, vanishes like "stink" in a tornado.3 points
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Congratulations, Gigantor for a successful term. Hope you stay around and comment occasionally!3 points
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I’m a firm believer, not a knower though. Like a lot of believers on this forum I want to be “chosen” by them. I want to be the one that they choose to reveal themselves to. we can’t rely on tv shows or other media to confirm it’s existent. We need to Be out in nature and be lucky enough to have a specimen from the species “choose” is to know they are real and in fact, EXIST.3 points
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Thank you for everything you have done Gigantor! 👏🏻 I have a lot to learn, but this place holds a special place in my heart and I will do my best to keep its legacy going! Incorrigible has taken over the SC chair position from me. Thank you! 👏🏻 Cheers to the BFF!🥂3 points
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Thank you for your technical expertise and countless hours of work. "taking the reins"............nice intro. Does he have spurs?3 points
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1) I don’t need your permission to post X, Y or Z. And I don’t give a pile of bull manure if you find it uninteresting or spammy or whatever. My suggestion is to drop the attitude.🫤 2) You may not be aware, but I found a Elk femur bone in the Selkirk mountains in which a hammer and anvil technique was used to extract bone marrow. Other groups have found evidence of stone tool use as well. Chimps also use primitive tools too. It’s well documented. 3) We don’t know what Sasquatch is. Which means YOU don’t know what Sasquatch is. So if other researchers in non Sasquatch circles are finding evidence of archaic hominids in NORTH AMERICA? You better believe I am sitting up and taking notice. As well you should too. I take keen interest in the Cerutti Mastodon find, the Chapala lake skull cap find, the Calico dig site, etc. Anything that debunks the Clovis first scenario. Some of this is obviously Homo Sapien. But some of it IS NOT. What was extracting bone marrow from a Mastodon 130,000 years ago in California…. not Homo Sapiens! What’s harvesting Elk bone marrow in NE Washington in 2020? 🤷♂️ Is this relevant to Sasquatch? You better believe it is. We have 12 feet of snow here now at 5000 feet. Sasquatch isn’t eating berries or skunk cabbage right now. Which leaves what? Meat. Fat. Bone marrow. 👍3 points
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To speculate that Sasquatch exhibits autistic traits IS NOT an attempt to anthropomorphize it. Quite the opposite. It would appear it did not evolve in our species, but is exhibited in Homo Sapiens and Neanderthals hybridization. Just look at the facts. Sasquatch reportedly doesn’t like daytime or is sensitive to light. Sasquatch are not found in large social groups. Sasquatch likes solitude and wild places. Interestingly Grendel in the story of Beowulf attacks Heorot the mead hall because the Vikings partying there drove him crazy. The noise… Sasquatch are clumsy when it comes to tool manufacturing or use or they simply avoid it, from a Homo Sapiens perspective. If Neanderthals are the source of autism in Homo Sapiens? How many other archaic hominid species like Neanderthals also exhibited similar behaviors? Imagine living in a cave in Ice age Europe. Your small family unit may be the only humans you have ever known in your life. It’s dark, it’s cold, it’s lonely, it’s brutal. Most modern humans would go crazy in a situation like that. It’s well known that suicide rates are higher in places like Alaska or Russia. Autism is a coping mechanism that has manifested itself by mistake in our species. Because we build cities, we sing, we dance, we make art, we are highly social. It’s probably why we are still here and Neanderthals are not. Quite frankly Sasquatch makes Neanderthals look like modern humans by comparison. Sasquatch exhibits more autistic characteristics than Neanderthals do by a wide margin. This simply could be the march of evolution at play. It’s not a ridiculous assertion, it’s quite valid. I am not suggesting that Sasquatch is just a Homo Sapien suffering from autism, or even a hybrid. But making the assumption that Sasquatch and Humans are distant cousins? It’s entirely plausible that we share much more than bipedalism.🤷♂️3 points
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Thank you for all your diligence, Gigantor. Even folks like me who don't post much noticed your efforts and impact. And big congratulations to Norseman! Best of luck to you herding all these cats!2 points
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great video links. I had an experience this last summer where there was a massive tree fallings or rock falling sound but the weird part was it lasted much longer than a tree fall would last and there wasn't much of a difference between the start of the sound and the end part, where you would generally expect to hear a fall off in sound levels. It was quite interesting. I just laid still in my tent and I waited and was not disappointed. 10 minutes later I heard a 4 tone singing like sound like it was being played over a concert speaker. The song/call lasted more than 30 seconds. As I reflect on it, it was beautiful and it sounded like something was singing me a song. Video #4 has some very similar sounds in it to what I heard. Its nice to find a reference point. Thank you for sharing these.2 points
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^^^ Your argument on the proper language to use is compelling!2 points
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Thanks for all your diligence and technical prowess, gigantor! This forum would not have survived without you! Congratulations Norse and Thank you for the commitment to keeping this place going!2 points
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In the first ten minutes or so is discussion of a missionary account of Sasquatch behavior with many commonalities to historical legend about sightings over time. I thought it very convincing.2 points
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Elkanah Walker missionary to the Spokane tribe accounts in a letter to his board. http://www.bigfootencounters.com/classics/walker.htm2 points
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to be clear, I believe BiGFo0T is real. As in its a real animal and the government is covering up their existence for reasons that are unknown. But I’ve consumed so much cryptid content in the past 8 years or so that it’s become very obvious to me that most of it is made up now by people who make their livings doing this stuff. All the known names on are into the bigfooT lore for the money. Bob gymlan puts out interesting videos here and there but he is it. missing 411 ran it’s course. I’m not sure what Paulides is up to these days. The On The Trail of BigfooT documentaries are interesting. The On The Trail of BiGfooT Land of the missing was a good one. The documentary is about the aggressive nature of the Alaskan variety that actually seeks out humans to eat. These kindof behavior is extremely unusual for Sasquatch although the ape Canyon incident and the siege at Hanobia are incidents of aggressive Sasquatch encounters. if you haven’t I’d recommend checking out on the trail of bigfooT land of the kissing on Amazon prime. Even the director admits most of these stories could be explained by a more mundane cause but he remains open to the stories of the agressive Sasquatch in Alaska. but other than the few gems in the field the field most of the media surrounding Sasquatch is made up fantasy nonsense. It started off with Sasquatch but now there is dogman, pale crawlers, and other cryptids like little people and other nefarious things. It seems to me people figured out how to make the field of Sasquatch research and lore a lucrative industry.2 points
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I pranked my aunt and uncle in high school. Cut out feet in wood shop and secured boots to them. I walked down to their garden. Strapped them on and made a loop. Mangled some corn to sell it. My aunt called my mom freaked out and was calling the Sheriff when my mom busted out laughing. Soft dirt was pretty easy. Deep snow would be impossible to walk cleanly in. At some point? Your physical limitations come in to play. And my wooden stompers wouldn’t fool someone like Meldrum. Nor did I want to, the gag was only for my family. I didn’t want any problems with the law. As for natural explanations? Stotting mule deer, bounding foxes, etc. If tracked any distance? The hooves or paws will be present somewhere in that trackway. I really sit up and take notice with deep snow tracks or the tracks crossing fences or logs,etc. Or track ways that are super long.2 points
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Ha ! Backdoc, it just so happens I pulled my box of film from 15-200 years ago for another request. I'll look through it to see if I can find the snow pics! Joe here {catch my little joke.....}2 points
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Salmon River country. Same area as were the Teddy Roosevelt Bauman story originated. Way south. The ITR is the only one of its kind in the world. Inland Temperate Rainforest. The western edge of the northern Rockies acts very similar to the Cascades in terms of trapping moisture on the west slope and creating a rain shadow on the east slope. But the Rockies are more complicated. What we call the Rockies is actually many mountain ranges all grouped together. The Rockies are much wider than the Cascades. Lots of little micro climates of wet and dry. With the forest changing from pine to fir and other species too depending on rainfall. Sandpoint Idaho is wet. And Columbia Falls Montana is wet but places in between like Ronan Montana are drier. If you ever wanna come over and explore North Idaho? Just say the word!👍2 points
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Congratulations, norseman, and thanks to you, Gigantor, for all you've done here over the years.2 points
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I modify my Sony ICD PX333 recorders to go two weeks, using 4x AA rechargeable batteries. I also use my own custom microphones with low pass filtering that require 2x 9V batteries, that will also go 2 weeks. The whole package is placed in a plastic tumbler covered with camo tape, leaving it waterproof, portable, and discrete. Explanation and lots of clips are here: https://bigfootforums.com/topic/57428-a-place-to-share-audio-files/2 points
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On the BFRO, Bonner County and Valley County have by far the most number of reports for the state. I have been through Valley County; my dad and I went deer hunting further north around White Bird a number of years ago. I remember stopping in the town of McCall, and McCall is mentioned in about three of the Valley County reports. I do remember the terrain around McCall was more sasquatch looking than it was around White Bird. In the reports for Bonner County, which I think is in the panhandle, Priest Lake and Priest River are mentioned several times. Shoshone County had the third most reports, with 8.2 points
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What came first? The chicken or the egg? Necessity? Survival? Genetics? What shapes a species neurology? Were Neanderthals more social or less social than modern humans? And why is it that their genetic legacy in Homo Sapiens is seen as a detriment when it manifests itself as autism? Evidently you didn’t read the article. We have genetic evidence that autism is linked to Neanderthal genes carried in modern humans. So this negates your first point completely. And partially your second and third points as well. I simply extrapolated that this behavior may have been present in other archaic hominid species too. Who lived a similar lifestyle. Or in Sasquatches case? A reported similar lifestyle. In Neanderthals? We have archaeological evidence as well….. not just genetic markers. We have also mapped their entire genome. And what we see in their genes aligns with what we see in digs. And how is that working out? Studying Sasquatch in its “ecological context”. Whats amazing is that people like Jane Goodall? Also draw similarities with our closest living relatives, the Chimpanzee. And I am pretty sure no one is accusing her of anthropomorphism. https://janegoodall.ca/our-stories/chimp-human-similarities/ Chimpanzees? Are not even bipedal? So if we share traits with a Chimpanzee? We damn sure will share traits with a Sasquatch! Shared traits don’t interest me though. What interests me are the traits we don’t share. Because maybe one of them is a chink in the armor. Running around with your hair on fire trying to drive a wedge between Humans and Sasquatch? Isn’t productive. The more we learn about our ancestors behaviors and how they may manifest themselves in humans? Could help us with discovery. Which is the end goal.2 points
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I was watching bald faced hornets hunting flys in my goat pen. I knew they were about to give chase when they started rocking back and forth. When my stepdaughters parrot was contemplating mayhem, it would start rocking back and forth.2 points
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A definite maybe. Humans and some aspects of machine vision use 'contrast detection', aka edge detection, for depth-of-field focusing. Same goes for animals. If true for Sasquatch, I would call the activity 'targeting'. Be alert for anything in the 'incoming' category. Use Plan D: duck. The autism theory for Sasquatch is unfounded. Their motions could be acoustic targeting. If you have seen images of the mounted King's Guard in the UK, you have noticed that some of visitors that have special needs are wearing full surround headphones. They are not listening to radio BBC. They wear headphones to attenuate ultrasonic noise that surrounds them. Where I live, schools solicit all types of supplies for students just before their school year starts. I asked why they were asking for ear buds with mic booms. The answer; Autistic children can hear above the normal hearing threshold of about 20 kHz. It is believed that ultrasonic noise thoroughly disrupts their learning experience. The noise coming from modern lighting and electronics is alarming. Your dog and cat can hear up to about 45kHz and 64kHz respectively. Many animals can hear above 20kHz. Humans make ultrasonic noise by: breathing through your nose, rubbing your fingers together and wearing 'modern' synthetic clothing that rubs against itself to name a few. Yes, I have ultrasonic detection equipment. Your ancestors hunted while wearing leather, wool and cotton. They were/are quiet. Working backwards and referring to Sasquatch as having a mental illness in the way of autism because they can hear above humans in the ultrasonic range is ludicious. They hear us a mile away. If you get bored, put your dog close to your trail camera and watch.2 points
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Both of these theories seem sound, given that I did some swaying on a hike a long time ago, both to improve my vision of an object and to calm my nerves. No bs, there I was (if I may digress, that's how many veterans start their war stories; the difference between a war story and a fairy tale is that the latter starts with "once upon a time"). So, no bs, there I was at the end of a long (12 miles) hike through the Black Rock state forest in the lower Hudson Valley. https://www.blackrockforest.org/. Like most parks there are a lot of short, heavily trafficked trails for the tourists and longer ones which the locals know - mine was longer because I started from my house and hiked 2-3 miles just to get to the park. I'm on the return trip when I casually look to my right and about 75-100 yards away in the woods is ... A freaking African lion, female I presume, because there is no huge mane. But I can clearly see the beautiful tawny yellow-brown fur of the head and ears peaking up just above some brush looking at me. I stop dead in my tracks facing the lion. I stare at the lion. The lion stares at me. I'm telling myself that there is no way an African lion is in the woods of rural, nearly suburban, southern New York. But I can see it. But I know that it can't be an African lion. So I started shifting my position to the left and right, trying to get a better view. (I didn't want to make any sudden moves and startle it or invite it over for dinner.) Meanwhile, I'm using the time to collect my wits (not many, I know), but all I am still seeing is a lion. But the lion isn't moving. So I take one or two small sidesteps and/or blink and I am suddenly looking at ... the butt end of a recently sawed down tree. I had looked at from just the right angle to hide the trunk of the tree, the stump was covered by shrubs and brush, and the downed crown of the tree blended into the background brush. The trunk wasn't perfectly circular, so I "saw" ears and there were some defects in the wood that I perceived as "eyes." I cursed and laughed at myself the whole way home, thankful that I had worn my brown pants (I'll put the full joke in the Tar Pit). On another walk in town, I saw a 10-12' foot tall extremely skinny person walking toward me. I knew he had to be really tall because the speed limit sign behind him only reached to just under his armpit. As we walked closer together, the angle of my vision changed, the speed limit sign disappeared behind the dip in the road which I knew was there, and he was just a regular guy again. No swaying that time, but I certainly slowed up just a minute when I first say this "alien."2 points
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It really wouldn't matter what the DNA revealed. The police/DA have it, and they will keep it..................secret...............1 point
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Not sure what the swaying or rocking is. My guess is nervousness as it sees us and knows we're in its midst. Myself an a sasquatching buddy were once at a secluded pond for an overnight adventure. I glassed the pond with a flashlight (Tiablo A-9 with an aspheric lens) and at one end saw red eyeshine watching me. The eyes were swaying back and forth for a minute or two. The distance of the sway was far too wide to be an owl, which doesn't display that behavior to begin with. The next year, we did an overnight bringing another sasquatch enthusiast with us to the same pond. Quite surprisingly, we had red eyeshine looking at us and moving about at the same end of the pond. That was the last time the newly-minted sasquatching friend ever stayed in the woods overnight. He was frightened all evening saying he knew he shouldn't have come. Haha.1 point
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Swaying could be consistent with the autistic personality theory re: sasquatch too, can be one of the traits of autism. Not rocking or stimming necessarily but possibly a self-soothing mechanism to alleviate anxiety if there is a recognized human approach, incident or encounter. The night of my sighting I could make out the glide, don't remember swaying but nervous head movements back and forth seen.1 point
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