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Thanks for the generous offer, but it was miraculously returned & I'm back to plussing again.

They took your right to plus away? Tell you what, have a squatch telepathically tell me which post you want plussed, and I'll do it for you. As a premium member I have a lot of them.

Oops! They're miraculously taken away again! Sorry Sunflower. I was going to plus you. It would be nice if they added up when we don't use any for awhile.

I plussed your post!!! Cheers!

Let me get this straight. You think a claim of seeing one is better than a dead one. A dead one that can be examined and seen to not be fake, but a real flesh and blood creature? You also think that scientists concoct fake bodies using taxidermy to show proof of evolution?

Not sure it was squatch-driven but I had to plus that one Rock.

Don't call them skeptics, they are not, they are scofftics/denialists. And the true believers do the same thing.

With equally due respect, I'll just say that you have no idea if the events are even true, especially if you yourself are completely honest. How do you dare claim any silliness you feel I may have due to what I might or might not have experienced? How silly are your blanket assessments of what you feel I believe, or what I may believe, based on your completely unsubstantiated viewpoint? Pot, meet Kettle! LOL! All any one of you "Knowers" has to do is present evidence of what you claim, and that goes for you, OS, or anyone else, for that matter. Oh, and don't hide behind the claim that we just won't understand because we're not "enlightened." We'll never know how enlightened you are until you and those in your camp stop making empty, unproven claims and enlighten us. You guys can rock the Bigfoot world anytime. What's that? You don't care about enlightening us? Well then, until you do your claims and your opinion are certainly no better than my own. In fact, I bet that my silly voice of reason is at least as reasonable as yours. If you want to discuss approaching the line of foolishness, I'm game. Just keep on presenting your claims as fact with that huge degree of importance you place on your supposed knowledge. Until you have something to present other than your own unproven and unfounded opinion, I, and the majority of others, find that you yourself are displaying the proper method of displaying hubris. By the way - It's unbecoming. We're all ready for you to teach us with your wisdom and knowledge anytime. Please, don't feel the need to protect us because we're not enlightened enough to understand. Lay it out there... you can even dumb it down and type really slow for us less enlightened individuals. You can also feel free to enlist the services of the other enlightened individuals that are part of that "Circle of Knowledge" you all belong to. Who knows? We may also be able to learn how to have the creature communicate with us telepathically to alert us that it's placed a pine cone on a car, or be so fortunate as to have the beasts herd up our wayward kitties for us... you know, like you "enlightened" knowers do. Oh, and if you see and communicate with those portal jumping, extraterrestrial forest folks, please send a troop of them down to Antarctica. After all, if one can crack up the frozen surface of a vast lake with a single, mighty roar, then 50 of those suckers ought to be able to take care of the icebergs in the shipping lanes. That sounds much more useful to me than playing tic-tac-toe, drawing hand prints to trick the silly humans, and burping out someones name, don't you think?

Sorry. Just trying to be nice. And dodging traps.

I saw that RA!!! I thought it was probably a dead cow & didn't want to hurt your feelings, so I didn't say anything. Nice red circle though.

He was brought up because of these (links below) claims and the ones that he has not mentioned speifically on this forum. but in his book. I wondered how these are any less unreasonable, embelishing or hoaxing ,(worthy of nobody) or outlandish in their claims as the object of this thread and the others (including myself) eluded to by some posters in this thread and threads like it. I wondered in his case also if perhaps the idea that he has writen a book has somehow tainted his credibility as has been said of others trying to get their story out... I would like to know what some of the people who come out so strong against Mike Patterson and other have to say about these claims. http://bigfootforums.com/index.php/topic/307-my-journal-of-encounters-in-ga/page-11#entry905578 http://bigfootforums.com/index.php/topic/307-my-journal-of-encounters-in-ga/page-11#entry905658

So what does that mean? That I can't say I think Garrett is full of it? Because that's what I'm talking about when I say it. Only positive thoughts allowed here?

There isn't and never was any science involved in Mike's claims - that's the whole problem.

There you go.

I predict that you will come around one of these days SEE , perhaps sometime soon you will have an encounter that fits the description and need not necisarrily the answers (although you will want them) but someone who cares enough to be there to tell you you arent alone and that you arent off your meds or suggest maybe you need some meds...or that you arent unreasonable or are not embelishing or hoaxing or that you are (worthy of nobody) or outlandish in your claims or...or ....or We each are individuals here SEE, I am not alligned in thought, belief or explanation with many of the others you so enjoy to try to lump all together in one huge seeminly cunning and clever display of ad hominem displays. I dont know who is claiming to be special here but it certainly isnt me. I feel anyone who does so is making a big mistake. I think those who really know me knows I dont think that about myself. I am not a Sasquatch priest by any stretch of the imagination nor do I wish to be or become one. Others may other I know for fact do not...lumping them all together is tactics not truth seeking. As to what you believe.. you have stated it long ago so I am already privy to the assumption with which you proceed and engage, and I dont see where any of that position has changed which is fine you are more than entitled to it. As to your claim of hubris toward me... trunaround is fair play ... taken from Wikepedia and the connotation I was referring to I will simply leave it to the reader to decide (if they are so moved to care ) and agree to disagree and stand by my assertions for now. In its modern usage, hubris denotes overconfident pride and arrogance. Hubris is often associated with a lack of humility, though not always with the lack of knowledge. Those accused of hubris often come from higher social backgrounds, such as politicians or wealthy celebrities, than the accuser, who accuses them of having marginal experience with the realities of the topics they are addressing. An accusation of hubris often implies that suffering or punishment will follow, similar to the occasional pairing of hubris and nemesis in Greek mythology. The proverb "pride goeth (goes) before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall" (from the biblical Book of Proverbs, 16:18) is thought to sum up the modern use of hubris. It is also referred to as "pride that blinds", as it often causes one accused of hubris to act in foolish ways that belie common sense.[5] In other words, the modern definition may be thought of as, "that pride that goes just before the fall". More recently, in his two-volume biography of Adolf Hitler, historian Ian Kershaw uses both 'hubris' and 'nemesis' as titles. The first volume, Hubris,[6] describes Hitler's early life and rise to power. The second, Nemesis,[7] gives details of Hitler's role in the Second World War, and concludes with his fall and suicide in 1945. Examples of hubris are often found in fiction, most famously in Paradise Lost: John Milton's depiction of the biblical Lucifer. (Who attempts to wrest power from God, is cast down to hell, and proclaims: "It's better to reign in hell, than serve in heaven.") Chinua Achebe's novel Things Fall Apart has been called a modern Greek tragedy, and the main character Okonkwo is a classic tragic hero whose hubris leads to his downfall. Victor in Mary Shelley's Frankenstein manifests hubris in his attempt to become a great scientist by creating life through technological means, but eventually regrets this previous desire. Marlowe's play Doctor Faustus portrays the eponymous character as a scholar whose arrogance and pride compel him to sign a deal with the Devil, and retain his haughtiness until his death and damnation, despite the fact that he could easily have repented had he chosen to do so.

Perhaps its not so much that he trusts that people are incapible of lying, but, rather, that people are capible of speaking the truth......

Here is the problem you are up against. There is plenty of evidence, but it seems that unless it has gotten the attention of the media, its not likely that it will get your attention either, at least that is the picture painted by the above post. So when someone produces a photo of a footprint, because media might not have anything to do with it (perhaps because the person who shot the photo does not want to be ridiculed by the media in the event that the media decides to go that way regardless how substantial the evidence is) then it appears that you won't have anything to do with it either. That's fine but you need to understand that your position is not science-based and it is that simple. Now if you want to engage science, then you have to look into the small events that pepper American life. For example, why was I able to find that trackway I mentioned earlier? It was in such an unlikely place (to start with, no paths in the area, no roads at all so its not a hoax, lots of brush, mosquitoes, ticks, briars) and even the landowner had not been in that area for 20 years or so. So how were there barefoot tracks in the area?? I've thought a lot about in the last several years- the simple explanation is still BF. The arguments for it being the tracks of a human are considerably more complex. I'm going with Occam's Razor on this one.

While I understand why you feel that way, I hold out hope that the creature will indeed eventually be discovered. However, I doubt that grandiose claims by OS and those like him will facilitate that event. There are just too many reasonable sounding accounts out there from people with no reason to exaggerate. They have too much to lose, like their social standings, credibility, and employment. Actually, it's the claims made by those that embellish that make it difficult for people such as those to come forward. There's been a stigma placed on the phenomenon by those making outlandish claims as fact. Nobody wants to be associated with a topic that's ladened with such claims.

What people hoax, think or accept has absolutely no bearing or weight on what eye witnesses have seen or experienced for themselves. What does become very old is having your integrity questioned time and again for only telling the complete truth of what happened to you out there. Yes, the jokers and deceitful charlatans have given the skeptical public plenty of fodder to discredit and reject new information on this subject, but numbers do not lie and never change! If you forensically consider the multitude of documented incidents spanning hundreds years in hundreds of places and the recorded history by the Native People through cave paintings and totem figures, something is lurking about out there that is not easily seen, understood or given to any easy explanation. Something that will probably not change in my remaining lifetime, but is real none the less. I don't consider it a waste of time sharing the truth of things that have happened to me out there with interested folks. What has drastically changed is trying to debate or prove anything to those who have made up their minds this is all a bunch of worthless junk. That will not change either...

I guess that depends on what you consider "the BF community". This site regularly calls out frauds, charlatans, liars and all sorts of ne'er do wells. Anyone who wants in "the BF community" or is already a part of it is doing themselves a dis-service if they don't join in here to find out exactly what is going on.