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The knower was there when it happened...doesnt always mean what is reported or experienced is accurate or even proof, however your claim to hoax because you know is flawed because you werent there to observe the hoax, you just assume it is because the put up as evidence is not so easy to explain...unless you conclude a hoax which again is and assumption and your opinion only. Fair enough and I am not looking for an argument, I said what I meant to say there and there is not place really to go. However I am going to challenge the reverse false claim to a hoax where there is no evidence to support the hoax. It is a direct assault to a persons credibility and that I will always challenge. As to your other question you are correct regarding Piltdown man and I commend you for your search for truths in that regard here are couple others from memory. Evidence is evidence ..placing the workd extraordinary on it is all relative. facts are facts not matter how colorful the word play is. Piltdown Man: Was the fusion of a human skull with an apes lower jaw in a blatant hoax.... they filed them down and fooled everybody. In 1912 they discovered the Piltdown man. It was in the New York Times: “Darwin Theory Proved True†from the Piltdown Man. It was gonna be used in 1925 at the Scopes monkey trial as part of the evidence for evolution [The World's Most Famous Court Trial, Tennessee Evolution Case, 1925, p. 278] , but the judge said: “The question is not, is there evidence for evolution; the question is, did he violate the law of teaching?†So he was found guilty of breaking the law. The teacher was John T. Scopes down here in Dayton, Tennessee. Nebraska Man: Was built from a single tooth and later they even built him a wife. They build a whole missing link from a tooth and were able to determine what his wife looked like also.. Later they determined the tooth was from a pig. Cro-Magnon: still used in the textbooks, yet it's a perfectly normal human. Why on earth is that considered a missing link? Lucy: No hand or foot bones were found other austilapithisthines that were found had curled toes and were obviously knuckle walkers and had a grasping foot or seperated toe. Not human like at all, just an unusual monkey. One knee was found at the site and another was found a year earlier (called the Hader Knee) and nearly 70 meters lower and a mile away ..Yet National Geographic called it Lucys knees five times in the Nov 5, 1985 issue. The Washington Universtity has a display (misrepresentation) (hoax?) of Lucy showing human like feet and hands when none were found.. When confronted with the evidence of the curled feet and monkey likehands of everything else found in the areas The Professor had this to say: " We cannot be updating every exibit based on every new piece of evidence that is found. We look at the overall exibit and interpretation it creates. We think the overall impression this exibit creates is correct ... ummm ok, there that We again intillectual types love that Orce man: O-r-c-e, They were gonna put a big party for the Orce man they discovered. Till they discovered it's actually a piece of a skull fragment from a donkey. A skull found in Spain and promoted as the oldest example of man in Eurasia Homo erectus: is still in the textbooks. Homo erectus used to be called Java man, then they changed it to Pithecanthropus erectus, and now called Homo erectus. It was found by Dr. Dubois, a Dutch anatomist who went to Indonesia purposely, to try to find missing links. He hired a bunch of prison convicts to go dig for him. He wasn't even there when they found it. What they found was an ape's skull cap, three human teeth, and a thigh bone found a year later 50 feet away. Dubois put them all together and said: “We have a missing link here.†You don't even know those animal bones go together. Three teeth, thigh bone, and a skull cap from an ape! This was also gonna be used in 1925 as evidence for evolution at the Scopes monkey trial. [The World's Most Famous Court Trial, Tennessee Evolution Case, 1925, p. 277] Peking man: was used for years as evidence for evolution. Everything disappeared during World War II; but they found a cave, with a bunch of crushed monkey skulls in there. The skull had been smashed, and they found a bunch of human tools. And so some brilliant scientist said: “Wow, these monkeys are learning to make tools...they didn't tell anybody that they found 10 normal humans in the same cave. Skeletons of humans. In many cultures Monkey brain is a delicacy, the humans were more than likely eating the monkeys and using the tools to bust open the head for the brain delicacy. The Hobbit : was just found here in 2004. The Hobbit was an little bitty, tiny human. Probably a result of secondary microcephaly dwarfism. Just a normal human, about 3½ feet tall! There are people like that today running around the planet Nothing was proven except that it looks to be a fish eye of a species that is known. other than that as strange and bizarre as that is admittedly we dont know what caused that to say case closed its a hoax, although you personally may have reached that conclusion. its still just an assumption.

The chips animals have are similar to grocery store security tags. Need to have a reader close by. I was talking with a clerk in our local grocery store about security, and she told me that Fred Meyers has a system that identifies a person and tracks them through the store, watching what you look at but don't buy, what you buy, and it builds a file on you as you shop. Then when you check out, it matches the file with your rewards card identity, and they basically know what you have done, looked at, and are interested in when you shop. Then amazingly enough when you are rung up and check out, it prints out discount coupons' of stuff you looked at or normally buy for you to use your next store trip. Credit card companies sell purchasing information, Amazon has a file on everyone that shops, and the list goes on and on. If we ever get chips like dogs we were be tracked everywhere in civilization. The only place we will be safe and private is in the woods with our big furry friends.

FWIW, I have spoken to someone who was present when the group KB was with saw the large male. That person was standing right there in nearly the same spot and said he/she saw nothing. I have a heck of a lot of respect for KB. I do NOT believe he is lying, hoaxing about anything he claims. However, I do feel like the power of suggestion could be at play. No disrespect intended to those that believe they saw something that day. I really feel like they all believe what they say they saw. But belief is belief. It's not reliable, it's not scientifically accurate, and it's flawed with perception, bias, and many other things that can influence it.

^It's the difference between a suspicious story and evidence of fakery. I don't believe any of the colorful stories, but a story isn't enough to call a hoax. For all I know he could have been doing peyote and believed everything he experienced. That's not hoaxing. Posting pictures of fish eyes, phony handprints, silly audio clips, along with the colorful story (along with story changes and contradictions) all adds up to a hoax and nothing else.

^^ Im assuming (based of your reply) that you assumed that I go through life assuming things , which essentially is my point, and so we all do. To use your analogy the assumption that the car will stay on the side of the road (its supposed to) is not fact until you pass it and its been observed. If I told you that was the case you would make assumptions that I was telling the truth had you not been there, by perhaps looking at my car and deducting that, or going to the place where it passed and seeing no signs of a skid other car parts. In Mikes case all we know are the claims... they are not facts and when we paint the guy or anyone over with facts relating to his claims without say oh ...having been there isnt that a bit disengenous? I mean if he was the only one then we might do that, but he well isnt. Not everyone starts a youtube channel but he did and many came out and ripped the guy as if that was a sign he was full of crap because it was attention getting and maybe even monetary seeking... Didnt KB write a book , havent others, many have not or even spoke openly with anyone other than those they feel could understand, and well we can only assume there are those who just wont. To go back to the car...99.9 % or more of the time that car is going to stay on the road where it is supposed to and certainly noone is reporting the times they go into the woods and dont see or interact with a SSQ, just as we dont report yep we passed 50 cars today and none veered. But we know it happens because we have testimony and evidence so long as we trust the evidence which is another assumption. So really it is not different on many levels. In the case of SSQ either we have hundreds or more people saying the same things (and no they arent all on this forum or any forum for that matter) so either all these people are making it up or its really happening to one degree of the another.. Do you think Mike interacted with a SSQ or something that wants him to believe its a SSQ at any time? and are you satified with KB Hunters claims as being accurate ? Or do you lump him in with Mike... I mean it sounds about the same as how Mike started out in his begininings with his accounts If so then have we not crossed the SSq is fact barrier at least here in our little world. If not then its still just an assumption because the facts are there are lots of people talking about it and many for which we trust presumably (oh thats an assumption as well isnt it).

Whaaa...??? It's sentences like this one (and they are quite common in your posts) that make it very difficult for me to take you seriously, Gumshoeye. I truly hope you managed a bit more refinement and coherence when writing your reports as a detective. Do you mean "psyops", perchance? For someone who tries to speak authoritatively on the subject, I'd expect you to at least spell it correctly. These common lapses in the mechanics of your communications do not instill much confidence in their content. You know, attention to detail and all that...

Thanks for the generous offer, but it was miraculously returned & I'm back to plussing again.

They took your right to plus away? Tell you what, have a squatch telepathically tell me which post you want plussed, and I'll do it for you. As a premium member I have a lot of them.