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I've seen two adults and two young in a single sighting in Lemmon Valley, Nevada and after I encountered the pregnant female I was stalked by three based on the positions of the wood knocking from two scouts and the third one that circled the lake to approach me. I have always assumed that these three were different individuals from the pregnant female. I'm sure that there are itinerant males moving about from group to group and seeking to establish their own groups, but I think one seriously underestimates them if they contend that they do not form family groups. Name one other primate that does not form social groups.

You mean like when Nocona Comanche Shaman described the Bluff Creek logger encounter? With 10-12 BF's? Ran the loggers off? Or the miners at Ape Canyon? Or the multiples at one time at Honobia? Or the Howland, Ohio man who says he ran up against four he could see which was posted on Cryptozoology News on June 2, 2015? Or, the Texas Bigfoot Research Center, who studied the reports, and found 253 sightings of two or more out of 3,684 reports, or about 7% of the sightings? Or, some of the members here, who have had their own sightings/interactions with multiples at a time?

The Tarzan Springs Oregon report mentions several living in the same area with the prospector. Just guessing but a sure way to see several is to kill one. Then again it might be the last thing you see. All of this begs the question as to where Meldrum gets his solitary individual theory which started this discussion.

Far, That's another place where meldrum seems to be thinking that sasquatches are quite different than you are thinking. He believes that the evidence indicates that they live solitary lives and that each one requires around a 1,000 (acres/miles - I can't recall) as a range. He didn't mention all the reasons for his beliefs but he did mention that most legit trackways are solo. Yeah, well, his thinking on this is incorrect. He hasn't even gotten a decent daylight view of one. And I too, question what a "legit trackway" consists of? Every single 'visit' we got was by multiples. My "meeting?" Two of them. And I didn't stick around to see if there were any more, as you couldn't see me for the dust. I almost got run over by herds of deer on that mountain a few times. Food was plentiful. I think it's pretty narrow-minded to make a statement such as, one BF would require X-amount of acres. Food resources/concentrations dictates the population limitation - not pure acreage. Apes are social animals, monkeys are social animals, men are social animals. If he thinks it's a relict species of ape, then their social behavior argues against him. If he thinks it's a primitive man - likewise social - then their social behavior likewise argues against him. His move to put an ape head on his skeleton is in my opinion, another mistake. These things are a lot closer to us than I find comfortable.

Went out with another researcher today that works with audio. He's had a lot of activity in this area. Knocks, moans, whistles, some very interesting things to listen to. This area is second growth douglas fir and alders interspersed with marshes. West of Mt St Helens. Elk seem to love the area. There was fresh sign everywhere. It must be where they go to die too. Found a lot of bones. Most looked like they had been fed on by cougars or small scavengers. There was little to no bone breakage on any of them. We did find one remains that looked to have been there about a year. The ribs were all together in one spot. One had some minor impressions similar to our research specimens. We did find a leg bone, smaller than the femur Norseman had sent me. The end was broken off and the marrow had been scooped out about 10" into the bone, much like the femur had been. We did collect that bone and the one rib. The interesting thing about this location was that a track had been found about 30 yards from there last year. I placed my Plotwatcher in the audio activity area. We'll see if anything comes of that. At least I should get some pictures of elk.

Not sure about all of MABRC but my friend is one of their researchers and I listen too a lot of audio for him. Straight up guy who I doubt would have anything to do with them if they were shady.. But like I said I'm not sure about all of them since I was denied access to their forum after he told me to sign up and try to become a member. Even though I've never talked with any of them except him.

Cryptic wrote: "OK, I have excellent image interpretations skills, it is what I used to do for a living. I see a bear here. https://youtu.be/JypOkXC7AO0" I'm sorry, but if you see a bear then I'm afraid the first part of your sentence doesn't hold up, for me. I can accept "man in suit," but the subject in this film leaves on two legs, not four.

^^^ Plussed

Thermal imaging gear is not going to provide acceptable evidence. Look at the responses to the Gray's Harbor thermal footage or Stacy Brown's thermal footage from Florida. People who believe accept and people who scoff reject. I can't think of anyone who has truly changed their mind about existence based on either. The value of thermal imagery is indirect: if you get what seem to be "hits" for bigfoot on a thermal imager you know where to deploy other techniques / technologies that might produce results of a more accepted sort. I can think of several backroad systems I would cruise with a vehicle equipped with high end thermal imagers if I had one available to identify places to set up trail cameras, look for tracks, and knock or call if I were so-inclined. I don't think buying thermal gear is the best choice for an entry level person on a limited budget. Good thermal gear is expensive. the lowest end unit I see much value in is over $7000. (C'mon, lottery ticket!) At the same time, I'm not sold on GoPro. Unless you're in a real hot spot, activity of ANY sort more than 1 time in 20 is probably delusion. Particularly during daylight hours. Despite seeming lack of results so far, the best bet we have for photographic evidence is still trail cameras. The best "bait" is yourself. Go camping. Set them up to watch camp. Then forget you ever heard about bigfoot and just have a good camping trip with family. Play games, cook, fish, bring instruments, play some music into the evening around a fire. Be human. Forget stealth, just have fun and be interesting to watch. It will work or it wont, either way, you win. MIB