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Happy New Year, Bigfoot family! I hope every one gets a chance to answer their questions about Bigfoot/Sasquatch this year, whether it's with a sighting, physical evidence, or online research. I'm still very much enjoying the adventure, even as I turn 81 today. Cheers!

Out again today up the Pack River. Cut deer and moose tracks. Hiked 2 miles into a clear cut. Did a few call sets. Nothing. The clouds rolled in early after noon. Pea soup. On the way out but still on National Forest I come around the corner and what appears to be a Wolf standing on the road. I grab the binos and look at it and it finally turns and it has a harness on.🙄 I never saw the owner. The chick in Montana that shows up to the bar with a skinned Husky was playing in my head.🤣 I got back on the main FS road and continued up river until I hit a mudslide that wiped the road out. A 4 wheeler with tracks had cut a trail out and had made it through. I had to turn around. But it did remind me to stop at the DMV in Idaho and buy my 2026 sticker for my Yamaha Grizzly on tracks. It’s getting to the point that I need to be taking it to reach the good spots. My birthday gift of the Ray Ban smart glasses is working out well. I can just take a picture with a button on the frame instead of digging for my cell phone. And I think the picture quality looks good. What do you guys think?

BP is "before present". (a quick edit: for "BP" time, year 0 is 1950, so 200BP would be 1750.) The earliest Clovis points date to about 13,000 years ago. Having sites in North America 10,000 years before Clovis nullifies the whole "Clovis first" paradigm. Along with that idea was populating North America through an ice free corridor in the Cordilleran ice sheet. There was no ice free corridor 23,000 years ago. This more or less forces the populating of N.A. to have been by boat along the coast following the "kelp highway" rather than overland. Most of the artifacts from that route are under hundreds of feet of seawater today since the melting of the continental glaciers has pushed sea levels up that much. There were at least 4 periods in the pleistocene where there was a Bering land bridge rather than open water but we don't have any generally accepted evidence of human occupation going back to those earlier 3 periods. For now, the suggested, speculative very early "stuff" (100K years BP) seems to stand alone with no supporting evidence and most likely is wishful thinking, not evidence of human occupation. Possibility of 30K years could be inferred though. The important part is that Clovis technology was NOT the earliest in North America, people were here before Clovis technology was developed. Most likely, also, since there were already people here, Clovis, despite having strong similarity to Solutrean technology, is probably a North American development. With people already here, there should be strong genetic connection if the technology were imported.

That is an huge revelation to me as well. They were all, surely, tough as nails to begin with.. just as surely as the trip to the mine and cabin were hard work, the work in the mine was even harder work. The walk to the water was tough and at night? Tough as nails or not, forget it. Whatever happened there, they weren't going anywhere in the dark either way.

From a pure story telling perspective? I like Bob Gymlan. His real name is Bryan Gagne, stage name of Bob Gymlan. The illustrations are what does it for me. Compelling stories well told. Not strictly BF related, of course, but entertaining nonetheless. Some of the others will just relay any zany story that some troll or prankster sends in, zero vetting, which turns me off immediately to the rest of their content. Other than that, there's a hundred small channels with no subscribers who go out and film in the woods, same or not they put time in. Western New York Bigfoot is an example. Just a guy going into the woods.

Merry Christmas BFF!

Interesting debate about Bigfoot. Ran across this. Many of you probably already have seen this. What I like about the video is Meldrum has a polite debate with this somewhat skeptic Erika Gutsick Gibbon. She brings up respectfully reasonable points and Meldrum does a great job answering each one. I learned additional things just listening to these two (and Esp Meldrum). It is a loooooong video but if you have the time, It is informative. I wish more discussions could be on this level. Finally, Meldrum does a good job essentially being kind and not dunking on her when it is obvious he could.

23,000 Before Present (now). "Science" actively discouraged speculation of human activity in N America prior to approximately 13,000 Before Present (Clovis culture). Such speculation led to careers being damaged, and was suppressed. The confirmation that the White Sands fossil footprints at 23,000 BP helped dash the stranglehold of the "None Before Clovis" dogma. Real science freed to pursue discovery of prehistoric N American human activity.

read it once and thanks... will read it again and thanks for the details... "NM goes back to about 23,000 BP..." What does 23,000 bP stand for and how does it relate to the Clovis culture?

How long was CLOVIS FIRST jammed down our throats? How many scientists careers were destroyed for simply reporting the truth? And it wasn’t just a little wrong…. It was vastly grossly WRONG. So if science suppressed vastly older cultures found farther south than Berengia 13000 years ago? For 75 years? What else are they suppressing? They concocted a “narrative” and then they vehemently defended that narrative. This wasn’t science. This was a cult. And people shouldn’t just blindly trust science. It should be questioned repeatedly. And be forced to reconsider the evidence often and adjust hypotheses accordingly. Heckle fish WF video talks about the Egyptian experts loosing their poo about older cultures in Turkey recently found. Why does science do this? And they of course throw shade on bipedal cryptids the world over. Despite more findings that our family tree was more bushy and more recently extant than previously thought. Why?

Well, they were experienced woodsmen, and they had to put up a battle to defend their cabin from a Bigfoot intrusion. They were probably used to dealing with severe situations that involve wildlife so they were able to combat the adversary and make it out alive. Some of these American woodsmen and American forest women were totally amazing people and spent a lot of time exploring and camping in the woods. They had capable firearms and were good shots with multiple shot weapons. Pack a pistol in the woods and be safe.

I just got back from a birthday bonfire on the banks of the Fraser River with the research gang. Was blessed with a unique rendition of "Happy Birthday" by non other than Thomas Steenburg; hilarious!!

Ironically, the story didn't bother me 'til I watched the vid of the "expedition" to the site. With just how crazy steep that is, the whole thing takes on a whole new level of disturbing. Unless there was some other way off the mountain, downhill rather than from above, they were truly sitting ducks. It would take hours at best, in heavy brush, heavy cover, to climb out, requiring hands, not just feet, so no gun in hand, no hasty response possible, with potential ambush at every step. No joke a bad bad situation.

Merry Squatchmas!

Ugh! ::wiping egg off face:: His today-posted video details his latest venture, with Todd Standing and in the first five minutes espousing mind-speak, portals, and Paulides' new movie (being discussed in another active thread.) Reassessing.

He has bitten the Melba Ketchum lure, hook line and sinker. Thats where the “fallen angel” stuff comes from. I think you all know what I think of Ketchums work. Your mileage may vary.

Wolf hunt today in north Idaho. Not much of a winter thus far. We have actually lost snow pack with the Atmospheric River that has flooded much of the PacNW. Saw one Moose today. Saw a-lot of Moose tracks. I went up a dead end road and on the way out discovered I had ran over a kill. Must have been covered in a thin crust of snow. I am guessing its a yearling Moose calf? Maybe a Deer or even a Elk calf. Something had been crunching on the bones and after inspection I found a short black hair on one of the bones. So I kept it and its in the freezer. I am not saying its anything Bigfoot related. But Moose calves, Elk and Deer tend to be a brown color. I thought it was worthy of collecting. If Bigfoot eats ungulates? Surely some evidence will be found on a kill site. If anyone wants the sample? Let me know. In other news I ate it on ice today. The Winchester model 70 hit the ground. Gonna have to check zero. My elbows feel like hamburger. This big thaw has made everything in the mountains a polished sheet of ice. I stepped off the bank after glassing a clear cut and thought the road was snowy. About a 1/4 inch was and underneath was polished glass. Must have looked like a baby Moose on roller skates. Ouch.

Yah my cousins are flooding in Sedro Wooley! Blue sky is nice! Been a good visit with my daughters family.

Envious. What is that blue patch above the mountain? Other than a shower a week ago that barely got the asphalt wet, we haven't seen rain in a long time, but we also have not seen the sun. Wake up to drippy fog, kinda burns off to thick white haze, returns to drippy fog, and gets dark. It gets old. Apparently we've got a pretty serious storm coming in Monday/Tuesday. In a way, I'm looking forward to the change, but I also remember "be careful what you wish for, you just might get it."

Why hasn't Bigfoot been trapped, tranquilized, or shot and killed so it can be brought into a zoo or museum? This question is hard to understand because we have so many great hunters throughout the United States and one of these hunters should've brought in more than just one Bigfoot. I have read Bigfoot a report that states this has happened in the United States and a Mr. Smeja shot and killed a bigfoot. I read a report from one of the provinces in Canada, and a fellow did shoot and bring down a Bigfoot, and he described the situation. This report seemed to go nowhere and didn't add to the scientific evidence of the existence of Bigfoot. Why have none of these incidents really contributed to the evidence, study, and museum quality exhibitions in a museum? Even to this day the United States Forest Service still does not recognize the existence of Bigfoot and calls it a mythical creature. Why is this the present status of Bigfoot?

First, the policy of discouraging discovery can be pinned on dead guys...........policymakers who decided this decades (up to a century or more) ago. Those who finally disclose end up heroes. Secondly, yes, there are piles of issues that government keeps close to its vest. This is both wise and expected, and they can defend those decisions, even if you or I as individuals disagree strongly. Thirdly, yes, disclosure itself is a can of worms that supports continued silence, especially if they think they have morality on their side...........or can make a reasonable stretch toward that defense. Finally, I have actually come to believe that ignorance of these creatures by the vast majority of people IS the wise policy. Do you want to destroy something? Let everybody know it exists. People will screw it up pronto. Guaranteed.

This may really throw North America history books a curve ball.

Thanks Norseman and Happy New Year to all including our hairy friends! My friend Chester Moore did some interviews with me last Spring and ended up doing a YouTube with them, I've always been private about my hobby lol, but he did a good job.....check it out:)

The first Native Americans did not bring Clovis technology with them. We know that there were settlements like Rimrock Draw cave in Oregon that predate Clovis by a good margin. I know a photographer from the dig. As of now they have solid dates to 18500 BP and there is a smattering of deeper material that hasn't been dated yet. The fossilized trackway at White Sands, NM goes back to about 23,000 BP. There are other sites being excavated that may prove older than either. Nothing, though, in the way of settlement residuals that exceed 30K years and certainly nothing matching the proposed / purported mammoth bones said by some to be human-affected dated to 130K years. For the moment, it looks like Clovis did not derive from Solutrean technology from Europe as proposed, it really was near-parallel development. If Clovis tech were descended from Solutrean tech, we have another problem because there is no DNA in any existent Native American population dating from the same rough time, none. This means that somehow the Asian-descended "Native" tribes would have had to have understood and adopted the Solutrean technology yet killed every single European -sourced person so that there is ZERO DNA passed along. If Clovis technology was imported, it was into a continent already peopled by those using other technologies. Possible. Also possible it was derived in place .. that improbable but not impossible parallel evolution idea. South America is a different puzzle. One piece interesting to me is the yam / sweet potato. Apparently it is indigenous to the south pacific islands. I is maybe reasonable that some could have washed up on South America and taken root, but if so, why do the south American natives use exactly the same word as the south pacific islanders for it? This points to earlier contact than we currently think possible. We could ask why the Olmec heads' features appear sub Saharan African. Coincidence of artistry or .. familiarity with people from continents that shouldn't theoretically have been able to contact each other. We have to be a bit cautious about timelines though. A friend years back was sure that South American and African people migrated back and forth overland before the mid Atlantic Ridge took over. Hah hah, missed by a couple hundred million years. Oops.

Happy belated birthday, and I'll mercifully spare you and the forum having to endure me singing. Many happy returns.

I've found serviceable copies of each website, including their databases, at https://web.archive.org/. I could give you pinpoint cites to each organization, but I'd have to open this vault and look at that document, and all those clicks would interfere with some current drinking....

I agree and disagree with MIB. 1) I absolutely agree that doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result IS folly. I have always been pro kill and I remain so. Even when trolls call me a murderous psycho. Oh well. We can agree to disagree over the morality of it. But I think any sensible person has came to the logical solution that science will only accept a body on a slab or a large portion there of. 2) I absolutely disagree that conspiracies are ignorance. The Smithsonian is under staffed. Well OK….. If we were talking about a new species of butterfly? OK! But an 8 foot tall skeleton? Just misplaced that huh? Got lost in the shuffle? Bull puckey!!! And the amount of surveillance capabilities our current government has at its disposal? There is no way. NO WAY, an 8 foot tall primate has not shown up on a border camera. A FLIR scope on a drone or helicopter. Military bases. Army. Air Force. USMC. US Navy. Coast Guard. Border Patrol. State Patrol. Sheriff Dept. Fire Dept. US Forest Service. US Fish and Game. State Game Wardens. On and on and on. Our Fire Dept had FLIR capabilities in the 1990s. We used to look for hot spots during mop up. I have a buddy that was Air National Guard. Flew mission to catch the Green River killer. Watched him pee on the side of the road from 12000 ft! No one has seen anything? 🤨 Sure. You bet. I would argue that anyone who argues against a conspiracy IS ignorant. Ignorant of their government’s capabilities and ignorant of their governments ability to lie. So why? Well this is the million dollar question right? I think that part of the problem is that the government never wants to admit to something they have no control over. “Hey guys, kinda hard to admit this now but there is a 8 ft tall primate running around North America….sorry we never mentioned this.” And I think that depending on what it is? It may prove to be a headache for the government from an aboriginal claims point of view. Huntster eludes to this. It’s certainly possible. Read the head lines… “US Government signs treaty with Sasquatch tribe in the Hoh rainforest. Millions of acres are set aside for new tribal lands.” Or maybe its recognition is no more than a rare Ape…. A bipedal North American Chimpanzee or Gorilla? No treaties will be signed but it will still impact how business is done on the National Forest! Full stop! They are talking about tearing out the dams on the Columbia and Snake rivers for Salmon because Killer whales are starving in the Pacific. Imagine a population of rare Apes in North America? Whats gonna change? Maybe some people don’t want change?🤷‍♂️

Audio comparison from several areas our group is monitoring.

Bigfoot has not been proven to exist .. not by science, not with scientific acceptance. You have things a circular sort of backwards .. cause and effect. Existence in a zoo, etc. is de facto proof of existence. You can't have a thing in a zoo without demonstrating the thing does exist. A wiser, more insightful question would be to skip the zoo angle and just focus on why BF has not been proven to exist. That lies in the history of bigfootery. Someone else will hopefully have memorized the details. Back in the late 60s or early 70s there was a conference with a lot of top scientists present. "The big reveal" was promised. That turned out to be a hoax and the scientists who attended were professionally shamed. Mainstream science has been afraid to stick its neck out since. Yeah, there have been some credentialed scientists who have been involved, but that has been as a personal interest, not with professional backing, not with grant funding, institutional backing, and the other stuff mainstream science needs to operate at full capacity rather than personal curiosity. Those scientists who have been involved have had no more support from mainstream science than you or I have. If you want to understand "this stuff", you have to embrace that understanding as one of your foundational pieces, not try to "but but but" to sweep the inconvenience away from your thinking. Honestly, most people fail. If you want to understand rather than try to manipulate from ignorance, don't be part of "most people." Now .. so far as the evidence we do have, why it hasn't been enough? Remember the Ketchum Study. The best DNA samples we had to date were gathered and apparently tested. That is destructive testing .. when you're done with the test the sample no longer exists. Ketchum's study was a hoax. It destroyed the best evidence to date. The second tier of samples went to Brian Sikes. He recognized / acknowledged that those were lower quality / lower probability samples, basically ones rejected by Ketchum. Read his book. If you want to understand, read his book. The rest .. is a struggle because of limited evidence to test and even more limited funding for testing. Adrian Erickson walked away. We lost Wally Hersom this year. Who is going to pay for it? Who has deep enough pockets? It doesn't matter what excuses we make, how good those excuses are or aren't, we need evidence solid enough that someone is willing to fund the testing. If it is DNA, that costs a bunch. I don't think audio, video, or track cast evidence alone can rise to the level needed for scientific acceptance by themselves. Truly, we need an intact skeleton or a body on a slab. I don't want to be the person to deliver that. I'd rather they go undiscovered if those are my only choices. First, we have to accept that this is indeed what has happened. I question the validity of the assumption. Remember that the Smithsonian has somewhat limited resources. People who have worked there say they have a 50-100 year backlog of samples in boxes they simply have not had time and staff to open and catalog, never mind actually examine and review. If the bigfoot evidence is in one of those, there's no conspiracy hiding that evidence, just simple economics. I think the assumption of a conspiracy shows ignorance. The other? Hair -- Henner Fahrenbach studied unknown primate hair samples for a lot of years. It wasn't hidden, it just didn't rise to the level needed for acceptance. DNA -- as before, cost of testing. Bones -- we do not have proof such bones exist, we only have anecdotes, so maybe there is nothing to examine beyond someone's delusional wishful thinking. Hides -- the hide pieces tested so far have conclusively been shown to be regular animals: goats, rabbits, etc. This is not hiding anything, this is lack of real evidence. If we want PROOF, if we want acceptance of existence, we have to up our game rather than settling for making whiny excuses about our offerings to date not being believed. There's no proof of a conspiracy, there's only whining because our entitled little selves are not getting our way. Want different results? Do something different. Put something real on the table to look at.

Let's guess at some of the reasons for hiding bigfoot evidence such as bones, bodies, actual hides, DNA, or hair.?

It almost certainly has happened. But the Smithsonian is exempt from the Indian graves act. So they could be hiding a-lot with that loophole. The Lovelock cave giants would be a well known example of this. What else is hidden in their basement?🤷🏻‍♂️

Sure. 1) While it's partially out now, I wouldn't use a witnesses real name in an open forum like this. 2) Was there a typo? You say "Joe Dokes" is 50 yo now, but this incident occurred 17 years ago when he was in high school. 3) Given that this appears to have appeared in a remote area, can you and the witness put the start point and approximate cave location on a map program and screen shot it? 4) Would "Joe Dokes" be willing to put you (as an investigator) in contact with witness #2 (John or Jane Doe) so you can get a second version of the incident? 5) For the purpose of someone putting it into the SSR or another database, facts are paramount. We have the who and what. When - to the extent possible, date and time, which would give seasonal information. Where - even a 4-digit grid would allow researchers to see if it relates to other encounters and look at environmental factors (altitude, slope face, etc.) Why - what facts might allow inferences about why the Bigfoot acted that way? What did the witness(es) observe about the cave? I'm sure that others will have questions as well.

Just found your channel, didn't see this here. You guys are doing some great work! Excited to see this here, and watch your vids. Happy hunting!

Merry Christmas and happy New Year to all the BFF.

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10 votes. Not much of a sampling. What little time I have for watching videos, I go with The Facts By How To Hunt. Like the no nonsense delivery and word for word reading of other folks experiences.

I too believe in UFOs due to personal experiences that I only share with the closest of friends. I don't think they are here to help us or guide us to a new enlightened path. If they are, they got a real odd way of showing their benevolence. That being said, if one does spot UFOs around Bigfoot or vice-versa, why do the Squatches have to be assumed to be in cahoots or paranormal? What if the Squatches themselves are abductees? The Grays take us and experiment on us against our will. They mutilate cattle and other livestock. When a UFO is seen over water or coming out of the ocean, whose to say they aren't mucking about with the whales or dolphins? Since Sasquatches are supposedly close to our genetic makeup, I'm guessinf they would be interesting subject for those big eyed bastards to work on.

I think this is most likely right. The only logical reason Wally Hersom didn't have Ketchum prosecuted for fraud is that he was on the same page. I think what she actually found completely refuted her preferred theory and between them, they decided to deliberately tank the "study" rather than present something absolutely disproving their intended result. In other words, rather than prove the Bible by proving nephilim via bigfoot, they found something else. They found a non-spiritual, F&B thing, no "angel DNA" (yes, she DID use those words). MIB

It is amazing enough Norse that you saw a bigfoot trackway on the family ranch, but to also to have seen many UFO's at a different time is totally amazing to my way of thinking because just seeing a UFO is still an enormous event that many others have not been lucky enough to have experienced. I thought I was the luckiest man when I saw a closeup UFO around 1968. I was living in Eugene, Oregon, and about ten at night I looked across a really wide river called the Willamette River. About five football fields away was a UFO hovering about 30 feet off the flat dark river. The craft was long like two school busses glued together and, it just sat in the same spot floating over the water. Then luck strikes again, and in 1980 I was camping under the stars after a long day of wood cutting near Medford, and a bigfoot silently sneaks up. About 100' away I woke up and stared into the eyes of a middle-aged bigfoot thinking it was a bear. It was looking at me in a curious way and after a week pondering the sighting I knew it was fuzzy head bigfoot and not a bear because it lacked big fuzzy ears like bears have. I say middle-aged because it was not filled out like a mature old bigfoot. I wish that every member on the forum can experience bigfoot in one way or another.

I'm partial to Cabin in the Woods. And a close second is Hellbent Holler.

I like the open mind of Dr. Anna Nikaris. She said in a speech there might be this Pendak animal out there, or Bigfoot, and so on. She discovered some new little monkey not previously known to exist. She gives an adult conversation/ presentation about the concept available on YouTube.

Get the shotgun out!

50 degrees. Evening walk in the desert. Listening to mourning doves. Warmth feels nice.

Merry Christmas to all, and a Happy New Year! Catching up on some interesting pictures....cheers:)

The paranormal woo aspect is quite disappointing. It is my opinion that these are excuses for no proof of the creatures existence. Better time could be spent procuring a body on a slab instead of being explained by Science fiction. This only makes the case that the creatures probably don't exist in any form. Ufos by definition are certainly real. Are they manned by extraterrestrials,probably not.

Here is a video chronicling our investigation into an area that we recently located using report data and terrain analysis. There is some interesting stuff happening up there and we will be going back and monitoring the lower elevation edges throughout the winter.

I am currently filming and editing some projects, I will be adding some of our catalog here for discussion in the near future.

Gigantor, thank you, especially when you helped me after I fell and was in ICU 11 nights, and 28 more in Rehab. You don't know how much you did. Norseman! Welcome to the helm! I know you will do a great, and grand job of guiding this bark through the choppy seas of Bigfootin.' Thank you for taking on the task. Regards, JHector

Radio receivers cannot detect sound. Sound is wave in the atmosphere, radio is an electromagnetic wave.