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While I take several trips into the dark forest each year, I have gone on only one bigfoot focused trip. Naturally, I was the new guy. But I did get to handle track castings by Bob Titmus and Bob Gimlin! We were on the East side of the Cascade Mountains in Washington State and intended to camp at a location where people have been frightened away by something throwing sticks from the woods. Forest service gates ruined that plan and we camped a few miles away. :( John Andrews showing a casting given to him by Bob Titmus.

Can't help you with books or movies, and can't tell you when i'll be finished, but i'm working on the long term Olympic Project Nest Area Recording Project which now has over 1,000 combined vocalization and percussive recordings from around 3 years now, that don't appear to belong to any known animal. I'm/We're also collecting localized actual visual sightings from that general area of which many aren't via the normal public ways that we gets reports for the SSR, and i truly believe that the general area there will soon enough provide something decent in way of a pic/video hopefully. Life and bills are right now slowing me down more than i want and that can't be helped, but imo and i appreciate i'm being a little vague here, this project and what it's appearing to yield, is keeping my head in the game, no doubt.

I have an idea, that I am in the early stages of formulating into a plan. I want to do a three week-to-month-long stationary study in northern Idaho or Washington state. I'd like to invite a SMALL group of 2 or 3 experienced specialists to participate. NOTE: I plan to fund the endeavor out of my own pocket...food, fuel, associated fees, permits as needed, incidentals, et al. The experience I bring is being a VERY critical examiner of evidence from the perspective of a former police officer and homicide detective, and now attorney. I dig evidence, and can examine it from all sides, and try just as hard to DISprove it as I will to prove it. I am also a life long hunter and outdoorsman having been raised on a working cattle ranch in Arizona. My limitation, however, is that both my knees and right hip have been replaced due to a line of duty injury, so venturing too far afield is not in the cards for me. I would be the "in-camp" majordomo, and handle cooking, communications, physical security, and general monitoring of any gear that may need eyes on. The thought is that being in a camp, for an extended period of time with cooking, music, a TV playing movies (via satellite internet and DVD), the Sierra Sounds, recorded kids and women, and maybe even other primates would elicit curiosity or even a desire on the part of the Bigfoot in the area to want us gone from their territory and evoke harassment from them. In other words, some form of contact that could be documented via any technology available. My RV is an extended wheelbase FORD 3500 Diesel 4X4 that is capable of getting remote enough from other people that the chances of human harassment is mitigated to the greatest extent possible. It has a generator, solar, and satellite internet. I also have an 8 man, and 6 man, wall tents for sleeping and general usage. Other necessary camping gear is also part of my kit (mess and Chuck boxes and tables, chairs, cots, etc. I figure that if a group is going to be out there for an extended period of time, comfort, good food, warm beds, and a bit of personal space will be critical. GOAL: Gather, sustain, curate, and present evidence, both physical, and digital, of an extant relict hominem in North America. Obviously, gathering a specimen would be the ideal, but I am a "no kill just to prove it exists" type and would prefer to find the unicorn of a body, or significant part of a body...everyone can dream, right? Besides, I am NOT convinced that the chances of success in bringing out a specimen harvested via violence would be likely, let alone the chances of human survival after killing one would be likely either. Secondarily, I want to use whatever is found to publish a book on the study, and possibly, make any footage into documentary segments for my planned YouTube channel. Win or Lose, Succeed or Fail...I would like to bring this to fruition if for nothing more than the experience. SO....the question is: Am I nuts for thinking seriously about this? Don't hold back, I am asking for opinions.

I like, and respect Dr. Meldrum. I have had several conversations with him over the last five years. His mind is razor sharp, and his ability to evaluate evidence and apply what he knows rivals the best detectives I ever worked with. That said...as some are asserting that he "sounds like a broken record" on the various podcasts he is invited to appear on...remember he is being asked the same questions over and over and over again. The fact that his answers remain the same is consistency in testimony. It also must be considered that new, or revolutionary evidence is extremely slow in coming, so what does he really have to comment on other than a relatively few new footprints that have come to him that are of a high enough quality to actually examine forensically? He is one of the very, very few researchers of any real high profile who remains committed to common sense, logic, reason, and the scientific method in his approach to the subject. He sticks to what he knows, and is the first to admit what he doesn't know. I give him a lot of credit for that.

I'm old, semi-retired and still good enough shape to hump a backpack, so I'm planning on some probably solo 10 to 14 day sojourns into ONP and ONF with the Dungeness drainages, in particular, this year as they are all in my backyard. If I do pack with someone, it's usually my brother or one of my girls and my RV is a bivy sack and a 90 liter backpack. Bear season here in WA (don't get me started on spring bear...) starts August 1 and late cat season ends tomorrow, the end of April so I'm usually packing an -06 or a 300 RUM and my own hand loads. I'm not totally pro kill, a corpse would solve the issue, but the personal consequences of the aftereffects need to be taken into account. Even if it was a real sasquatch one killed, certainly someone isn't going to like what you did and is going to legally come after you, or maybe in your mind, you just misrecognized a prank pulling human in a suit, or perhaps an out of season bear. My first action afterward would be to hire a lawyer just because.

No doubt, and despite the fact that nobody can definitively say what it is there’s still no shortage of people flippantly dismissing it as a bear because the idea that it could be something else is one they don’t want to deal with. Just like Patty is a guy in a suit, sure…..

I've noticed that at least some predators seem to avoid traveling the same path as their prey. On cameras where I get deer, elk and moose; the bears and cougar are mostly seen crossing rather than following the trail. Blue Mountains of Washington Cinnamon Bear crossing the game trail.

Timothy Treadwell was also a victim. He had fallen prey to environmental propaganda and his own ridiculous fantasies. He was clearly mentally ill. Yet Superintendent Williams was actually quoted in the Anchorage Daily News as actually supporting "his message" that he brought to elementary and secondary schools along with videos of his deadly antics with the bears. She belongs in prison, or fired upon initial investigation, but she actually ended up promoted to a senior position in the Dept. of the Interior............remarkabky similar to the Lyle Laverty story in upward mobility, except no sasquatches have killed anybody as a result of Laverty's failures. He just never pushed his knowledge of sasquatchery within the agency............that we know of......... https://ballotpedia.org/Deborah_L._Williams

……….or shoot him with more rubber bullets………

Oh, you want pictures, I've got hundreds of them.

Well said. Out of all the big names in BF research , I give Meldrum's voice more credibility just as I gave Krantz when he was alive. I think the fact they stick to their guns and are professors with a lot to lose by being so adamant about the subject makes them even more trustworthy.

Pictures posted on the internet used for discussion and analysis are fair game. If you were to print them in a tshirt to sell... that's different.

I can't say Bigfoot is MY Bigfoot. I can't say they belong to anyone, though I have throughout my life of interest in Bigfoot seen "The Four Horsemen" all seem to lay claim to, and be jealous of, any evidence brought forth by the others. Dahinden wouldn't share files or info, and seemed to scoff at Krantz, and John Greene hated Dahinden according to Steenburgen....on and on and so it went. Personally, I can't poo poo anyone else's thoughts on the subject. After my face to face encounter in November, 1993, I went from being convinced by evidence that they were real and flesh and blood biological hominem, to knowing they were real. It took me a long time to tell anyone other than my maternal grandfather what had happened because I thought people, especially the police community of which I was a member would ride me mercilessly. But knowing didn't make me take possession of the one I saw, or have the temerity to claim I knew anything more about the creatures than I did before I saw one....I only knew that they were real. Nothing more about lifestyle, culture, habits, etc. Now, regardless of who it is that brings in incontrovertible proof to the public, and the scientific community, I will be almost sad for them because neither they nor the remaining Bigfoot in the area where it was discovered will know another moments peace for a long time.

Just because you say it is a bear doesn't make it so.

If the bear don’t fit you must acquit…

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Looks like you had better weather than I did, a 100km or so WNW of you. I saw a few sunny breaks, but mostly drizzle all day, with a bit of fresh snow showing higher in the mountains, when I could see them. I heard earlier in the week that the Ross Lake road system had finally re-opened after being severely damaged in the major flood event we had in Nov. of '21, so of course I had to go check it out. There were several sections of a km or more that had been completely obliterated by the Silver Creek, in the north section, and the Skagit River in the southern stretch. They've done a good job of rebuilding the damaged sections, raising and realigning the roadbed and putting huge box culverts under the cross creeks, with lots of boulder riprap to reinforce the banks. Hopefully it will withstand future 100 year rainfall events. The gravel surface was in excellent shape, making it easy to maintain the 60km/hr speed limit, with only very minor washboards in a few sections. Most of the side trails were still accessible, so I explored as many as I had time for, as far as conditions allowed, getting stopped by washouts, deadfalls and landslides on all of them eventually. One of our group's favourite camp spots is still in good shape, so we'll probably do our usual summer outing there this year. As far as wildlife goes, I was disappointed to see only 1 grouse, and no larger game at all, though that valley is known to have deer, bear, cougar, bobcat, and moose, as well as several Sasquatch sightings that we've followed up on in the past. The valley bottom is prime game habitat, with many small creeks flowing down from the mountains on each side, and willow swamps and cattail bogs adjacent to the rivers and creeks.

My HS buddy and his wife (with no shoes) and Canuck buddy and I got a day of exploring in on the east side of Priest lake. Lots of sledders parked all over the place to access all the higher snow. Ate lunch at the Moose Knuckle!👍 Lots of Moose sign. Saw some deer and that was it.

Yes, I've been "zapped". Don't know if it was infrasound or not. All I know is that one minute I was knocking or whistling with something in the woods late at night and the next minute, I was filled with terror and locked myself in my minivan crying on the floor. A few minutes later, it was like a switch turned off, I felt completely fine, and I opened the door and continued knocking or whistling. (This happened on one of two nights, same place, same time at night and I no longer remember which is which, in 2012).

I think you overestimate their fear of guns. It's not the gun, it's the person holding it. SCARED people with guns are dangerous, unpredictable, volatile. Calm, confident people with guns are just calm, confident people .. not a threat. It's the fear that turns the gun into a hazard. Humans telegraph fear quite loudly in our posture, motions, and so on. I've had a couple of sightings, camp visits at night, been punked / messed with .. and every time, minus one, I had a gun, often a hunting rifle slung over my shoulder, not something hidden. It ain't about the gun, it's about the human.

A few more photos from today's outing:

The only keyboard warrior is you.

Lowkee, zendog or who ever you are, once you start calling people uncreative names like simpletons, your age and IQ, which is very low, begin to show through. You should take some time to grow up or go troll somewhere else. You are not well versed in the art of trolling. And so far yours is zero.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/21/us/monkeys-truck-crash-pennsylvania.html

"Brush Apes" weren't really different from Sasquatch as far as I remember the stores. However, a friend of my step-father's was on a baseball team in the 1940s which was called the Brush Apes. So it's not a new term. Certainly predates Momo in my recollections. My Samurai Chatter experience bothered me because it lasted for such a long time and on consecutive nights. On the first night I went to sleep after listening for a full hour. Just seemed odd to me that it lasted so long. Later, Mike Jay (over 30 years chasing bigfoot) assured me this was not nearly as unusual as I had thought. Still, I was raised in Missouri so I probably must see it to believe it.

There is no way you can prove it is a bear. Your testimony is as irrelevant to the conversation as anyone else's. You made the statement that it is a bear. A statement you can not back up with anything other than anecdotal evidence.

Those are some pretty horse, and nice pictures.... They don't mean diddly. Too many old timers here do this. Rather than evidence to back their position, look at all this evidence of what a big bad outsdoors guy I am, so I must be right. Its not a sasquatch, it never was. Its a bear at a bear feeding station, in an odd pose, doing bear stuff.

Black Jack and Joker at the ranch Scout and Joker at the snow peak cabin doing work for the USFS Steven, Jasper, Red and Scout at ranch Red at ranch Big Red, Mary Lou and Benny in the Frank Church wilderness, Idaho

An old packer trick is to rub Vicks vapor rub in their nose. I didn’t have any with me so I tied my fleece jacket around her neck that had my sweat on it. Its mainly just time under pack saddle. Another thing that helps young mules is to mix them with old mules. The old mules will teach them with bites or kicks if they get out of line. I had a lead mule that would lift her leg going down the trail if a young mule tried to pass her. If the youngin did not take the hint? They got kicked in the chin. She was the best mule I ever owned. Bought her from the Busted Ass ranch sale in Arlee, Montana. Paid 1500 bucks for her in 96. Everyone laughed at me until it was time to throw elk quarters on and they are having a goat rodeo and my 2 mules are standing in the gut pile ears forward…… they came right off an outfitter pack string. She trained many of the young mules going forward. Suspension bridges, deer, elk, bear, high line etiquette, going down the trail. I shot her with my .44 mag when she was blind and failing in the fall one year. She would not have made it through another winter. I bawled like a baby. Hardest thing I have ever done. She was in her 30s. Her name was Mary Lou.

Guess which one didn't listen to advice and looked at the sun, today.

Lots of great info and resources here as usual. The subject hasn't gotten stagnant to me personally, however I am bored of a lot of the "production" efforts. There's only one group (small town monsters) currently turning out good content on bigfoot and it's because there's little to no fluff for viewers. You get the story then make up your own mind. As for research I kinda stopped watching every one else except the OP, Darby Orcutt, and the kid from the UK with the old world primate DNA showing up. Kinda got me out of the mindset of keeping up with the Joneses on hardware and technology and just sticking to doing what I do best, and that's tracking and ecology studies. I just go out, enjoy the wilderness, take pics, and conduct the occasional survey or official study. If your close to WV I'm open for any of y'all to come out with me anytime. I've got some updating to do over on the southern WV/ Wineberry thread. Good topic

I'm still not sure on these photos. I'm now 80% sick, mangy bear and 20% "no clue".

I found this out when my wife, grandson, his wife, and daughter who lived with me were always angry when we sat in the living room. I discovered that our unused ceiling fan motor was not operating the fan, but was on and grinding at a nearly undetectable in audio. I turned it off and we all just relaxed and the living room became a relaxing area once again.

There are good looking Chewbacca costumes on ebay for less than $100. Summer is coming with more day light for movie making / YouTube stunts. ONP / ONF is dark under the canopy though. A Chewbacca costume in the low light of the rain forest would be difficult to identify. Perhaps rubber bullet(s) below the waist and then you would know either way. Stay safe.

They must be very serious to place a plumbers helper in an outhouse.

This is an interesting account....because it happened to me.

I would BE very pro kill, had I not been eye to eye with one at a distance of slightly less than ten yards on November 13th, 1993. I am not convinced that a creature of that size, muscle density, presumed strength, and more importantly capability of rage at being injured would be stopped immediately, even by a large caliber bullet unless the shot was delivered directly to the central nervous system. Additionally, the possibility of one or more other creatures attacking makes the tactical situation even more unsure. I would absolutely use lethal force in defense of myself and others, but I don't want to be the one to necessarily "start the war". Still, there IS that part of me that believes that if given the right circumstances I might just take that shot...but I AM conflicted, so I keep 9 of my 10 toes in the "no kill" camp. Still, I am dubious that with the density of the creature's body, most hunting rounds even the 7mm Mag, 300 Win Mag, or 338 Win Mag would have the necessary penetration to assure an immediate CNS stop. Yes, you could get into exotics but within the realm of common rounds and platforms, the deck is stacked against you. I believe, based upon decades of training, experience, and several on-duty lethal Force encounters, that exsanguination, rather than immediate trauma will be the most likely scenario in which the creature would be killed, and that in the interim, it would do a LOT of damage to the shooter. I agree with Krantz that killing one WILL be the best way to prove it's existence to the so-called scientific community, I am just extremely doubtful of the practicality of it being successfully completed. This is why my thinking has shifted into the collection of multiple pieces of physical and digital evidence within the context of a single study trip. I would be happy to share a couple of files. I have a similar find on my property in northern Arizona where I found two tracks, and a torn up elk carcass with snapped off legs, and a shredded hide. It was NOT a mountain lion or bear kill.

I'm not a bigfoot expert because I have never seen one . I have seen plenty of black bears because my state is loaded with them and get them crossing my property many many times every year . I know some say it could be a black bear with mange and it's true mange can make animals look really weird sometimes . I'm on the fence because in my opinion the two photos do not look like a cub with mange .It's just impossible to tell really what type of animal it is. The length of the limbs just look way too long to be a black bear . Escaped exotic animal from a owner ? maybe a chimp ...who knows

So my wife and I went to the "Sensing Sasquatch" exhibit today at the High Desert Museum near Bend,Oregon. It wasn't much but it showed the spiritual side of it from several Native views. Featured Native artists had quotes near their work, and this one struck me. Honestly, how foolish am I for never considering that anyone... besides the feds...would actively seek to destroy evidence to protect the species? I guess i was so blinded by my notion that most everyone...besides the feds... actually would like the existence of these creatures proven. Thoughts?

And there it is as suspected. Why are you posting on this thread?

…Cynomolgus monkeys were in such high demand for coronavirus vaccine researchat the beginning of the pandemic that some scientists were talking about the need to create a strategic monkey reserve… I never saw that escaped monkey story before but it was worth reading just to see this, strategic monkey reserve, now you’re talking. One of my favorite things about spending time in the woods no matter what you’re doing is you never know what you may come across.

This photo is 100% Primate running wild in Pennsylvania during winter!

It’s clearly a “bear” Thats why it is INFAMOUS as the Jacob photos? I have shot bear, gutted bear and even packed bear out by mule. I’ve never seen a “bear” like that! I have NEVER claimed it’s Sasquatch. The onus is on you to prove it’s a Bear as you claim. Also, did you know that Dr. Mayor found Chimpanzee DNA in a national forest in the Appalachia? How does Chimpanzee DNA end up on a forest floor in the wild? https://www.travelchannel.com/shows/expedition-bigfoot/articles/expedition-bigfoot-exciting-dna-find I don’t know what’s going on back east? But the Jacobs photo IS NOT a Bear. And I would presume it’s not a bipedal primate either. It looks like a Chimpanzee to me.

Believers are going to believe, doubters are going to doubt, and this photo, no matter what you think about it, is not going to move the needle in either direction for anyone who has already viewed it and thought about it.

56 years old, live in Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada. Lifelong interest in Sasquatch started with the 1973 book "Sasquatch" by Don Hunter with René Dahinden. Listen to many podcasts and have a decent book collection. Always looking to learn more and hear the experiences of others.

Hello to the administrator and all members of this very interesting forum. I just moved to Oregon this past year and have visited Mt. Hood National Forest and hiking about a few times. It seems I’ve had a strong interest in Sasquatch and it’s hominid cousins since I was a kid. I studied Anthropology in college and became fascinated with human evolution and related paleontology material. Gigantopithecus got my attention, as some schools of thought believe that Bigfoot is a biological descendant of these largest beings of the ape family. The subject of Sasquatch fits right in within the historical journeys of our early ancestors and related homonoids out of Africa.

Howdy all.....some interesting pics from recent hikes, the headless Barbie doll was definitely creepy considering the remoteness of where it was.

I think body proportions are very important in studying films. The tracks I saw in the snow were not human. They could not have made by a human. Unless it was Robert Wadlow walking barefoot on a mountain in December? Many people just don’t understand. They imagine wooden feet tracks in 6 inches of snow. Nothing like that. The snow was deep.

I am just getting warmed up. I wanted to make a post on St. Patricks' day but was blocked by the new firewall. The M18 Motorway in Ireland has one of the famous Hawthorn Trees. Score: Fairies 1, science 0. The delay cost extra tax payer dollars and about 10 years behind schedule. The tax payers approved the extra money to move the motorway project. That Hawthorn Tree is considered to be a portal for the Kerry / Munster Fairies and the Cannaught Fairies to do battle. That portal is their link to the 'Otherworld'. Portals. Why is it portals? This forum has a lot of members in Wales, England, Scotland and Ireland. Places of deep history and high strangeness. I want to know more about the 'Grey Man' and 'Selkies'.