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Chest did not heal…again. Go see surgeon tomorrow. So I have taken myself off of light duty. And I went for a Wolf hunt in Idaho. Went over Gisborne ridge. Lots of fog down low, finally broke out up high. I saw lots of deer and elk. Whitetail and elk on the way out down low. Mule deer up high. No wolves. There was about 4 inches of snow up top in the shade.

I don't think sasquatchery is dying. SERIOUS, science-based sasquatchery is dying, pop-culture and wootard sasquatchery seems to be taking off .. unfortunately. It's become the equivalent of pink flamingos and lawn gnomes. It is very difficult to separate the wheat from the chaff. It has driven most of the serious researchers .. the ones not dead yet .. underground to get away from the "noise." There is nothing this forum can do about it. The world has moved "forward" in a not very appealing direction.

Some from this year blacktail deer hunting More IMG_20251101_142002.heic IMG_20251101_203359.heic

Do you believe chimpanzees really do exist? If yes, did you believe that chimpanzees really existed before 2004? If yes again, that would impossible to believe if fossilized remains are the benchmark by which existence is measured. The first fossilized remains of a chimpanzee was not found until September 2004 by Dr. Nina Jablonski in the Rift Valley of Africa. Let's compare the two "creatures". It's estimated that ~250,000 chimpanzees live in Africa, their average lifespan is about 35 years, and they have been in existence ~5-8 million years. Let's be conservative, use 5 million years, and if these estimates are correct, let's do the math. (5,000,000yrs x 250,000 chimps)/40 yr lifespan= 31,250,000,000 billion chimps. So, ~31 billion chimpanzees have lived in Africa yet not one fossilized remain was found until late 2004. Moreover, we all suspect that sasquatches are far more rare than chimpanzees don't we? Armed with this information, in my opinion, that leaves us with the real question which is, "What clear-thinking person would ever expect fossilized remains of a sasquatch to be found?"

Conditions that preserve fossils are extremely rare. It is commonly agreed by professional and academic biologists that less than 1% of the species which have ever lived have left fossils that we have found. Never mind individuals, we're talking about 99% of all species did not leave fossils for us to discover. Contemplate that. Contemplate the implications. Many of those fossils we do have which were land-based lived in flash flood country, they did not live in forests. Flash floods occur in dry climates with infrequent but catastrophic rainfall and cover dead animals then dry them, maybe for decades, in soil that absorbs the deal animal's moisture when the flood ends. Forests have regular rainfall so that fallen dead things don't dry adequately for preservation and have acidic soils that dissolve bones rather than preserving them. The main exception would be in volcanic ash beds .. we can see that in the John Day / Clarno fossil beds in eastern Oregon for instance. So while we might find recent bigfoot remains, given what we know about where bigfoot reports come from, few are in places that are likely to create fossils to discover later. Edit to add .. so if I were looking for fossils, I'd look in the ash beds near the Cascade volcanoes or in the dry washes on the east slope of the Cascades, maybe east slope of the Rockies. I think most other places in the continental US get too much rainfall for preservation needed to produce fossils. MIB

To quote Ripley, "has everyone's IQ's dropped while I've been in a cryogenic sleep the last 40 years?" Or something like that. And the answer is that IQs and attention spans have both dropped, phenomenally. Someone on Facebook posted an 8th grade civics test from circa 1880. I'm pretty sure I'd fail if I took it cold turkey. You can find numerous articles on colleges complaining that incoming classes need remedial math and instruction on how to read and analyze literature. So, it's not shocking that a forum like this one which doesn't have glitzy AI-generated recreations of "How Bigfoot interrupted our basketball game, dunked, and left" or 15-minute videos of "The Top 10 Most Horrific Bigfoot Attacks in Manhattan" can't compete for an audience used to getting their information in 60 second Tik-Toks. If that's what's askew with this Forum, I'm okay with keeping the recipe the same. Cliff & Bobo and Greg Pruitt mentioned on one of the last Bigfoot n' Beyond podcasts that at one time, the BFF was the place to go for Bigfoot information as it was an improvement over message boards and relatively open (i.e., no gatekeepers who "owned" the forums and ruled them with an iron fist, like some field research organizations). But now, to get visibility in a monetized world, you need people willing (and capable) of pounding out blog posts in 15 minute increments or video shorts on 18 different platforms. I just don't think that's what the Forums are (and I'm okay with that). As to Reddit, never has so much been said with so few words; well done, Beachfoot. (Okay, technically, the Commander, American Forces in and around Bastogne did better, but you still win the day here.) Even for the non-cesspool aspects of Reddit, it's just not an easy system to use and information in it gets lost faster than virtue in a ... in a place where virtue is lost quickly. I had a baseball site that was like a local bar. When Vox took it over, the regulars looked for a new place where everybody knew your name and Reddit was not it. It was difficult to find even basic threads on the topic there. Rant over. I"ll go back outside to shake my fist at some clouds now.

I know many here are hunters based in the PNW and so I figured this section needed a black tailed deer thread as they are the grey ghost of the cascade range. The mature blacktail buck is truly the toughest ungulate to locate and hunt in North America Please feel free to share stories, strategies and photos of the pursuit. I will start off with my own experience and strategies. In my few years of learning mature black tail buck behavior and patterns I have found that these guys like to be up along benches, plateaus and saddles that are difficult to approach, they routinely move between these kind of bedding areas and a series of feeding zones such as 5 to 8 year regrowth of clearcut or select cut stretched over terrain that has relief points and staging areas. If there are springs and marshes nearby the chances are even better that you are on a great spot, they are edge habitat creatures and like irregular pockets of different forest types and feed heavily on general browse in the summer favoring red huckleberry leaves, alder, vine maple and cottonwood. In the fall and winter they shift to hitting lichen, mushrooms, alder, salal and huckleberry tips. The older mature deer become very nocturnal and move to a very heavy lichen diet and hold up in old growth timber, these older deer will tolerate a little more snow to remain in higher areas that predator pressure is lower. The also seem to move less overall and don't run until later in the rut but rather wait for does to get pushed into their core areas as they escape the younger bucks and human created pressure. At 4+ years they essentially build a knowledge of what areas do not get pressured that also have and retain resources late into the year. As far as basic behavior they will use the wind and stand perfectly still for well over 15 minutes watching and listening before entering into a new environment to try and pick out predators and movement. I have had them catch me move just an inch and they will circle the detected disturbance until they can catch a scent before dropping their guard to feed or approach, they will also stay in their bed in the brush until you get almost on top of them if they feel you do not know they are there.. Younger bucks make more mistakes and will lean hard into the rut and take chances if there are hot does nearby. My goals for getting close are to identify remote transitional habitat pockets, locate feeding zones and then key in on old rub routes within 60 yards of primary game trails that take me to knobs, benches and flat top ridges. I then will set cameras up along staging areas and try to plan still hunt routes based on dominant wind and barometric pressure changes around wet nasty weather. I also E-scout often to try and understand how the does are using the area and how the bachelor groups settle in around fall as they break up. I often find higher deer density in areas that have some south east exposure for warmth in winter as well as some wrap around benches to face north east as this is an escape from the wind in winter and some shade and cool in summer. Hope this is helpful to some of you guys out there and feel free to add any tips you have.

We now have a sub forum specifically for hunting and fishing! Excited to see all of your hunts and trophies! Follow this link below. https://bigfootforums.com/forum/208-hunting-and-fishing-forum/

Lightning Crick to Trestle crick Cabinet Mountains Idaho 12 degrees and about 1 foot of snow up top. Bullwinkle would not yield the road for awhile.

They found artifacts from where the cabin was standing and a short distance away is a gold mine. This is stunning news.

There are reports out of "woo-land" that are impossibly large for F&B. Bone structure wouldn't support the weight. Rather than say "liars", I'm going to say "I'm not sure what they saw, even if they perceived it as bigfoot." I would say that 14 foot range is about right. A witness described one giant BF that would occasionally visit her dad's property ducking under a branch they measured at 14 feet. That doesn't mean it HAD to duck, might have cleared, might not have, but it stooped slightly when it went under. I watched her interact with a group of other bigfooters. I began thinking she was just a "groupie" wanting to fit in. After 4-5 days in the field, I came away thinking she was the only one of the bunch that was legit, the rest were slightly delusional. I'm inclined to go with her report. The first one I saw .. I don't think was 14 but I think it was some amount over 10 because BFs have legs shorter, relative to torso length, than ours, and it was crotch deep in water that hit me right at chin level .. 4.5 to 5 feet deep. The math simply requires it to be over 10 feet, possibly nearer 12. If that is the one that left the tracks I saw 2 years earlier, it leaves 24-1/2 inch tracks. When I talked to Henner Fahrenbach a few years later he said the biggest tracks in BFRO's "library" that weren't debunked were 27 inches. So .. math, not concrete evidence, but again, backing into that same answer. One of the Canadian guys, I think either Dahinden or Green, mentioned having some initial doubts about the authenticity of the Nor Cal (Bluff Creek, etc) tracks because the shape was different than what they were used to researching in Canada. Those northern tracks, they wrote, were comparitively longer and narrower, and had the slightest hint of curve .. but not an arch! .. rather than the very broad shape of the nor cal style tracks. What they describe for tracks matches what I found. I wonder if what I saw, and the tracks I saw, weren't from a long distance traveler rather than a resident. That said .. unproven. Should be considered but also should be taken with a substantial grain of salt. We are still in discovery, not in study.

I enjoy the people that are here and there is more content across this boards history than one could ever get through. Nothing needs to change, I was simply pointing out that forums are not dying but smaller communities are. You are doing just fine.

you have your mind made up and new data doesn't get through because you are anti science and closed minded.

Reddit is a cesspool.

You must be an old guy.

But they are dying. I mentioned three right off the top of my head. The BFRO has moved their forum to Facebook specifically. We are not a social media platform like Reddit or Facebook. I personally do not like social media platforms. But it would seem people like me are a minority.

This fall! His is a hog!

Thanks all for very beautiful sharing. I wish I could hunt, this guy was napping in my backyard awhile ago.

That's a twin to the last blacktail that I bagged.

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Thanks for posting all the articles and that was really a great effort. It was quite interesting to know that some of the reports that I posted were, of value and that the Indians did have a problem with bigfoots that kept bothering them. Your writings are always very detailed and thank-you for participating on this topic. You always do a good job of answering and replying to topics that helps keep the entire forum membership informed.

I'm sure a lot of you already know about Lazy Cowboy's Bigfoot YouTube videos. If not, they are a MUST SEE. Lazy Cowboy does an excellent job taking the data from the PGF and creating a CGI recreations better than anything I have ever seen. Specifically, I recommend: 1) Bigfoot- Recreating Bluff Creek 2) Bigfoot- Recreating Bluff Creek Part 2 The Patteson Gimlin Film Route. <--- This is the best one. Outstanding. We can see points of view from any angle, through Roger's camera, through Patty's POV and so on. The terrain comes to life. For some already aware of the Lazy Cowboy videos, this is not news. Still, I would like to hear your thoughts on it and anywhere you might think Lazy Cowboy might get it wrong here or there. If you haven't seen these, don't walk, RUN to your computer and watch these Especially . Bigfoot- Recreating Bluff Creek Part 2 The Patteson Gimlin Film Route. They are amazing. The PGF site makes sense so much more sense to me now. One area I am uncertain about is his use of the shadows indicating the PGF was filmed at 3pm timeline not the 1 or 1:30pm. Give these a view.

You must be aware of which videos you click on. Otherwise your suggested videos will look like this

You know what I realized yesterday? My YouTube always suggests wildlife content, and every time its polar bears, these bears are being duped by walrus or seals and they almost NEVER get the kill. The media is anti polar bear and I am sick of it. Just show me the King of the North getting some kills already!!!

I think unless you fall into a habituation setting the math is always against you. Both were accidents / surprises, but the more time you spend in good spots at the right times the less unlikely fortunate accidents become. That, combined with being willing to accept what you see. I'll share a story as an example of what I mean by that. My father is a scoftic though he tells one story which suggests he is also a witness. As an early teen, dad accompanied his father who was working as a construction engineer when the ski lift at White Pass in Washington was first built. (I'm not personally familiar with the location.) Apparently dad was in the back of the crummy with the crew and as they drove up the highway, there was a break in a line of trees separating the highway from a field. Through that gap, dad says he saw something out in the field that looked like what he imagines a bigfoot would look like "if bigfoot existed" and that something was not there when they came back at the end of the day. Hmmm. You have to not be so afraid of ridicule that you deny / distance yourself from your own experiences. I doubt most people here would do that but I have to wonder how many people have experiences they just don't want to invite ridicule for. If you separate positive ID sightings from process of elimination sightings, then I've had 2 others. I think both were the same year, 2013, but I can't swear to it, and they were along the same ridge system, within 10 miles or so, of the second of the positive ID sightings. Again, it is being in the right place the right season presenting an opportunity for blind dumb luck to help .. and then not being in denial about what is going on, just matter of fact about pros and cons of what seems to be happening. I hope you have a sighting. Hope it is long enough to satisfy any doubts. My main tool, even though it is only through 2015 or so, is mangani's bigfoot overlay for Google Earth. By messing with the time sliders, if there are enough reports in an area, it suggests seasonal movement. So .. figure out when that's going to be most likely to happen and try to be in place ahead of time. It really helps to have some other reason to be there so boredom doesn't interfere. For me, hunting, fishing, exploring off-trail, a little bit of feeble photography really help the effort. And yet, at the same time, at the moment I can't think of any fairly certain activity I've experienced in several years .. it's been pretty quiet. MIB

^^^ Giant skeletons found and newspaper stories written about them, although good luck tracking down the remains.

Yes. But that does leave out non fossilized remains. What you say is true we had no fossilized remains until 2004. But we had complete specimens dating back to 1641 and the Dutch East Indies company. If an extant species exists in our forests? It would be expected to find non fossilized remains of said species. My personal belief? We have found non fossilized remains before. And they are most likely at the Smithsonian that is strangely exempts from the Indian graves act. They don’t have to cough up the goods. If a Sasquatch skeleton was mistaken for a human giant.

Unfortunately, Bob Gimlin is an unreliable witness (which does not mean I think he's lying). With regards to this issue, he has said that the film site was: two miles from the campsite - see Webster's interview of Roger & Bob in 1967 four miles from the campsite - see John Green's interview of Bob in 1992 and a CBS47 2019 interview of Bob Roger Patterson gave both those estimates and added 3 miles in an interview by Stan Peters Interview of Roger Patterson As to the time they left camp, Bob has said: midday (which could be 1:30 during the summer, I suppose, but not in October) - see Robert Morgan's interview of Bob "right after lunch" (which could be anywhere from 11:00 AM if they were up early to 1:00ish) - Les Stroud's interview with Bob and this 1:30 time, which I believe came from a CBS47 2019 interview of Bob - If I understand correctly, The Lazy Cowboy is using other people's interviews, not his own. And leaving camp about 1:30 contradicts times Bob Gimlin has given for the encounter itself, which include: “about midday, perhaps a little bit after noon time” - again from John Green's interview of Bob in 1992 "Early afternoon" - attributed to John Green's questionnaire in Bigfoot at Bluff Creek by Danny (Daniel) Perez (2003) about 2:00 PM - Finding Bigfoot Legend (2018) All of this because early interviewers asked both Roger and Bob to tell them a story, but did not conduct the kind of interview necessary to determine as precisely as possible the facts. Also, I don't believe that The Lazy Cowboy (or anyone else) cherry-picked a certain interview because it better fits a narrative; instead, it seems a lot of of people are unfamiliar with (or unwilling to admit) the inconsistencies surrounding the P-G film.

Very good learning tool but I disagree with his approach toward declination. "East is least and west is best" sounds simple but it adds an element of work in the field that, in my opinion, is totally unnecessary. Moreover, if a person is trouble, because they are injured or suffering from hypothermia, and not thinking correctly, they may add the declination rather than subtract it. Now, they will be far off course and that error may needlessly cost them their life. I always draw declination lines on my map in the confort of my home and before I ever go into the woods. That way, I can take readings on the fly without ever having to orient the map. The declination lines drawn in advance cure that problem. A few other issues can rear their ugly head in the field that cause taking a reading a challenge. How do you easily orient the map so when there is a torrential downpour? When you took a reading, were you sure there wasn't metallic substance in a rock just below the surface you laid the map that could affect the magnetic needle? With my approach, I can lay the map on an electromagnet and it doesn't matter. I'm no longer using the magnetic needle to take a reading. My approach allows you to take a reading the fly, in rain or snow. It doesn't matter, it is quick, and there is no stopping to orient the map. Here is the best information I've ever found that talks about navigation skills and terrain association and it demonstrates the map-marking technique I mentioned above: https://www.adkhighpeaksfoundation.org/adkhpf/navagation.php Here are two video that show the technique of drawing magnetic north lines on a map. The bottom one discsusses declination at length if you are so inclined: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpXibF_yK2c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peu7uMp0cVU Edited because I wanted to link a 2nd video by the same individual

All things BiGFo0T

Belated Happy Thanksgiving to all. Was on KP, eating, and cleanup duty all day yesterday.

Hope you and your family had a wonderful day. I am still full.

Shell casing found 43:30

Marc Myrsel posted a pdf in 2019. It has extra local color. https://www.sos.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2022-05/SL_MtDevilMyrsell-001.pdf

Except lead isn't magnetic.

I should have put these 3 pics together with a better explanation.....the stick A-frame in the first pic appeared one day recently by the Spring in the 2nd pic, and the 3rd pic is a trail probably leading to one of their sleep areas, and no I don't go there and respect their privacy...this Spring is one of the few places that will still hold water, even during droughts.

Nope :( Gorgeous photos, @norseman

My point is that forums are not dying. Just this one.

Thanks, norseman. I saw that I had done that, but didn't figure out how to delete the extra one.

OOOOH, venison steaks

Taken by a neighbor. Guess this would be filed as “scouting”. Washington state has such a ridiculously short elk season these guys are safe. There was two bulls with them but didn’t see em here. IMG_4528.mov

LOL! I believe it's part of the climate propaganda. Polar bears have become the poster victim, so they show how difficult life is for them. However, it's true that the climate ideology has exploded research into the Arctic, including polar bears. There have been lots of "discoveries" (which, really, are nothing new to the natives). Before all of this, I was well educated on how I never want to encounter one of these "cute" monsters in real life. I don't spend time north of the Arctic Circle, and there are numerous reasons for that. Polar bears are one of them. Brown and black bears are dangerous enough. I want nothing to do with the white guys..............

He lives and operates in top shelf sasquatch habitat. It's sorta' like running into polar bears in Honduras or around Hudson Bay. The Hudson Bay adventures will have the greatest odds of polar bear encounters.........if you're crazy enough to want one........

^^^ Don't disagree with any of this. And based on Bill Munns' work, I have a pretty high degree of confidence that Roger Patterson did indeed film a Bigfoot, not a man in a suit. However, "curing" the timeline issues would have the benefit of taking that topic away from those who argue that Roger and Bob were two hoaxers and part of the proof that they are lying about everything is that they can't keep they're story straight. At least, that's why I puzzle over it.

The most objective timecard HAS TO BE the shadows. The sun is the sun each day every Oct 20th. If he can match the lay of the land and tree shadows accurately to his model, then we know the time give or take. If it is 3 pm then it is. The Q comes down to how much they could accomplish with a 3 pm encounter vs a 1:30 pm encounter. Finally, it comes down to how accurately the estimate of Lazy Cowboy is. If his model is right AND if his model can measure the shadow length accurately then it must be pretty close.

Gimlin stated in a "Coast to Coast" interview a few years back, that they were planning to "go in" about 35 or 40 miles that day and stay overnight. Seems like a bit of a late start if they didn't leave till sometime after lunch and (according to Gimlin) it starts getting dark around 4 there.

The "why don't we find a body?" argument is deeply illogical, I believe, on two accords. 1) I was extremely fortunate to join with a wilderness S&R team for several years. In that time, I was on several searches that involved one missing human with limiting factors on their mobility (age, under the influence) whose last known point was well defined (e.g., a bar, an abandoned car in the woods, a small regional park). Even though most of our searches (in downstate New York) don't involve "wilderness," I was on two searches where people weren't recovered until months after they had disappeared despite extensive previous searches. The remains of a drunk teenager weren't recovered until months after he had disappeared in a search area less than 1 square mile, 75% of which was dense suburbs. In another case the remains of a man were recovered less than a quarter-mile from the State Park parking lot. In both cases, terrain and weather (snowfall) hid the body for months. Prior to my joining the team, they were involved in searches - again, in a relatively limited area - where remains have never been recovered. It's just not as easy to find what is at best a full human body in the woods. 2) What do wounded animals (including humans) do? My understanding of wildlife behavior is that wounded animals find the most secluded spot they can and attempt to burrow in. It took four days to find and rescue a man w/medical issues who had burrowed in (or just gotten weak and couldn't go any further) in a search that was covering less than 2 square miles in a suburban area of lower New York. I see no reason why Bigfoot would react any differently. Unless one is hit head on by a truck or a train, its going to limp as deep into the woods as it can. I agree that the lack of a body is a problem, I don't know if it rises to the level of suspicious.

Just to continue the prior (as I didn't know how long it would be), there were no mentions of "Sacred Baby Mountain" in newspapers.com. Nor are there any when doing a general web search apart from those tied to websites reporting this specific story. Searching for "Captain Joshua LeFlore" draws a blank in newspapers.com; omitting his supposed rank brings up mostly wedding announcements, obituaries, a sale of land, and a murder case in Atoka, Oklahoma where a Joshua LeFlore pled guilty to manslaughter in 1899. The so-called professor is an author who has a bunch of sensationalist books listed on Amazon, etc., but most of them appear to be out of print. I will say that the Choctaw Lighthorsemen sound like an interesting bunch, breaking up political impasses (by forcing one side out of the assembly hall) in 1897 and enforcing bans on alcohol in their territory (after a sort) in 1902. One of their early leaders was indicted for introducing liquor into the Indian Territory (that's a legal term that is still used in court cases today) in 1914 and arresting some businessmen who circumvented the law to get a railroad run through the reservation in 1920.

I got out for a solo run on Sunday afternoon to the Bear Creek watershed on the east side of Harrison Lake. The weather was mild and broken clouds, until I reached the summit of the east ridge of the valley, when the wind picked up and brought in cold showers. Of course, I didn't take any pictures on the way up, so all I captured was cloudy views of the lake, 4600' below. The only signs of wildlife were some deer tracks, bear scat, a few squirrels, and 1 skunk, but it was refreshing to get out in the mountains after a few weeks in town.

I don't have a smartphone; I think it would be harder to use this format on a phone. Does anyone even learn to type anymore? I agree, oldies like us used to like to have discussions at length, for days or more. I mostly blame social media, which has damaged attention spans and increased sources of information. Another reason could be progression of knowledge; people learn answers to personal questions and move on.