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This thought about tracks and encountering other critters .. I still think the most likely to be dangerous is other humans. There are a lot of good people out there. It only takes one problem person, though sometimes those travel in packs. Watch out around campgrounds and trailheads, they present a predatory person with an ideal opportunity .. people with their guard down, possibly few witnesses, and a ready way to escape / fade into the crowd (traffic). Maintain situational awareness .. ear buds out, cell phones pocketed / put away, hands free, and keys handy. You want to be able to walk to your car, open the door, throw in your pack, climb in, and drive away with no searching for keys etc while you are at your maximum exposure to risk. Probably all will be cool, but it is better to be over prepared than under prepared.

Out again today up the Pack River. Cut deer and moose tracks. Hiked 2 miles into a clear cut. Did a few call sets. Nothing. The clouds rolled in early after noon. Pea soup. On the way out but still on National Forest I come around the corner and what appears to be a Wolf standing on the road. I grab the binos and look at it and it finally turns and it has a harness on.🙄 I never saw the owner. The chick in Montana that shows up to the bar with a skinned Husky was playing in my head.🤣 I got back on the main FS road and continued up river until I hit a mudslide that wiped the road out. A 4 wheeler with tracks had cut a trail out and had made it through. I had to turn around. But it did remind me to stop at the DMV in Idaho and buy my 2026 sticker for my Yamaha Grizzly on tracks. It’s getting to the point that I need to be taking it to reach the good spots. My birthday gift of the Ray Ban smart glasses is working out well. I can just take a picture with a button on the frame instead of digging for my cell phone. And I think the picture quality looks good. What do you guys think?

Looks like 37 members voted. Top 5 1) Latest Bigfoot News 2) Researcher Discussions 3) Researcher Media 4) PGF Discussion 5) Historical Archive Library If you combine 2 and 3? You can see that researchers are truly our most valuable resource on this forum! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Thank you to all of our “boots on the ground” members who share their findings, pictures, audio, etc! I also want to thank Trogluddite for expanding the Historical Archive! 👍

From a pure story telling perspective? I like Bob Gymlan. His real name is Bryan Gagne, stage name of Bob Gymlan. The illustrations are what does it for me. Compelling stories well told. Not strictly BF related, of course, but entertaining nonetheless. Some of the others will just relay any zany story that some troll or prankster sends in, zero vetting, which turns me off immediately to the rest of their content. Other than that, there's a hundred small channels with no subscribers who go out and film in the woods, same or not they put time in. Western New York Bigfoot is an example. Just a guy going into the woods.

Merry Christmas BFF!

Yes, at least at times. I'm not too concerned when I'm in my "research area" or in other parts of this general area. I know I'm watched, followed, occasionally on the losing end of what seem to be practical jokes / pranks. I think if I were in danger there I'd have turned up missing long ago. They're only there when safe food is plentiful. Other places I'd be more calculatingly cautious at least until I learned the vibe / ground rules of the place. I don't care for finding cougar or bear tracks in my tracks when I return. That puts my hackles up much more than BF does. And now we have wolves in increasing number / increasing distribution, some that have learned to overcome / ignore human hazing. Bigfoot is the least of those worries.

I want to thank Forums management for the opportunity to expand the historical archives. I've had a Newspapers.com subscription for awhile but was using it for other reasons. I really didn't think of its use for Bigfoot-related research until I was fact-checking a book of historical sightings and I discovered more newspaper articles than I could possibly make use of. It would have been a shame just to stuff that research into a closet and force others to re-invent the wheel.

Lightning Crick to Trestle crick Cabinet Mountains Idaho 12 degrees and about 1 foot of snow up top. Bullwinkle would not yield the road for awhile.

Here is a video chronicling our investigation into an area that we recently located using report data and terrain analysis. There is some interesting stuff happening up there and we will be going back and monitoring the lower elevation edges throughout the winter.

That is an huge revelation to me as well. They were all, surely, tough as nails to begin with.. just as surely as the trip to the mine and cabin were hard work, the work in the mine was even harder work. The walk to the water was tough and at night? Tough as nails or not, forget it. Whatever happened there, they weren't going anywhere in the dark either way.

Ironically, the story didn't bother me 'til I watched the vid of the "expedition" to the site. With just how crazy steep that is, the whole thing takes on a whole new level of disturbing. Unless there was some other way off the mountain, downhill rather than from above, they were truly sitting ducks. It would take hours at best, in heavy brush, heavy cover, to climb out, requiring hands, not just feet, so no gun in hand, no hasty response possible, with potential ambush at every step. No joke a bad bad situation.

Merry Squatchmas!

Ugh! ::wiping egg off face:: His today-posted video details his latest venture, with Todd Standing and in the first five minutes espousing mind-speak, portals, and Paulides' new movie (being discussed in another active thread.) Reassessing.

He has bitten the Melba Ketchum lure, hook line and sinker. Thats where the “fallen angel” stuff comes from. I think you all know what I think of Ketchums work. Your mileage may vary.

Wolf hunt today in north Idaho. Not much of a winter thus far. We have actually lost snow pack with the Atmospheric River that has flooded much of the PacNW. Saw one Moose today. Saw a-lot of Moose tracks. I went up a dead end road and on the way out discovered I had ran over a kill. Must have been covered in a thin crust of snow. I am guessing its a yearling Moose calf? Maybe a Deer or even a Elk calf. Something had been crunching on the bones and after inspection I found a short black hair on one of the bones. So I kept it and its in the freezer. I am not saying its anything Bigfoot related. But Moose calves, Elk and Deer tend to be a brown color. I thought it was worthy of collecting. If Bigfoot eats ungulates? Surely some evidence will be found on a kill site. If anyone wants the sample? Let me know. In other news I ate it on ice today. The Winchester model 70 hit the ground. Gonna have to check zero. My elbows feel like hamburger. This big thaw has made everything in the mountains a polished sheet of ice. I stepped off the bank after glassing a clear cut and thought the road was snowy. About a 1/4 inch was and underneath was polished glass. Must have looked like a baby Moose on roller skates. Ouch.

Yah my cousins are flooding in Sedro Wooley! Blue sky is nice! Been a good visit with my daughters family.

Envious. What is that blue patch above the mountain? Other than a shower a week ago that barely got the asphalt wet, we haven't seen rain in a long time, but we also have not seen the sun. Wake up to drippy fog, kinda burns off to thick white haze, returns to drippy fog, and gets dark. It gets old. Apparently we've got a pretty serious storm coming in Monday/Tuesday. In a way, I'm looking forward to the change, but I also remember "be careful what you wish for, you just might get it."

Nah, more like Twix...

Merry Christmas to all, and a Happy New Year! Catching up on some interesting pictures....cheers:)

Yeah, Bullwinkle can be very obstinate about his right-of-way. I encountered a very large-racked specimen in the Yahk watershed while elk hunting from my mountain bike on an abandoned logging RR. He kept plodding towards me, ignoring my hollering and whistling, until I had no choice but to turn around and ride away. Of course, moose were closed to hunting at the time.

A local Southern Oregon fellow who is engaged to my daughter told me about his Bigfoot experience in the mountains 40 miles from my home location. He's now 50 years old, and is still horrified from what happened to him that involved bigfoot 17 years ago. He said that he and his friend had gone up in mountains to explore, and they parked their car about 25 miles from nearest town and began to take a well made trail that went down through this forested area. They walked a trail that went down a canyon through the tall Douglas Fir trees, and they saw a 6' diameter cave in the brush that went into the hillside Hillsides in this area is covered with brush, 100 foot tall Douglas Fir trees, and whispy trees that are 15 feet or more tall. The soil is a light brown color with some sandstone and solid rock in some areas. Anyway, Ray told me that this hike turned into a nightmare when he was exploring this forested hillside that had a cavern going back into the hillside. They noticed some movement in the tall timber trees around 100 feet away. He said it looked like a hairy bear that was hiding behind a tree. They both became upset and apprehensive when they saw this large creature sneaking along behind them and walking on two legs. Ray told his friend that they had better continue on their hike down hill and they both kept looiking back on the trail as they hiked. They would get glimpses of the bigfoot following them, and they continued to walk down the hill along the rocky trail with few options since they weren't armed. He said they we're constantly looking back and this Bigfoot creature was following them at a distance of 2 to 3 football fields. They continued up the hill in quite a panic that still affects him to this day. Anyway he said that he and his friend finally got to their pickup and public forest road that is maintained by Coos County. The roads are for transportation across the mountains that that connect Oregon forest land to towns that seem to be twenty to sixty miles apart. Ayway, they hurried up when they got to the public gravel road and both men were mentally and physically exhusted. This happened to Ray about 17 years ago when he was in high school. A few years ago I asked if he wanted to drive up into that area and show me where the trail and canyon were located. He acted moderately interested but hasn't brought it up again. I suspect some fear that is understandable. The roads up there cross different canyons so it's not quite as easy as one would think to find the correct canyon . Anyway, Ray did not seem very excited at all about returning to that area. This was puzzling to me at first. I now believe that he has serious reoccurring fears that date back to this incident when Bigfoot followed he and his friend down the canyon trail and up again. They were hiking for a hour and a half with Bigfoot following them that was traumatic without weapons. This would be very awful since they did get glimpses of the Bigfoot and this topic is not a game for him. He might have psychological damage from this incident I have been on the roads that are close to this area and I had a bad experience also. I was about five miles from this location several years ago. My wife and I were looking at rural homes near this area before the road goes up in the hills. One evening, I went went along a creek that was in the vicinity. I hung some apples in the trees about 7 or 8 feet in the air not too far from the vacant home. The sun went down seemingly quick so we headed back to the car. I noticed something large moving away from our car that flashed out of sight. It spooked me enough that only to remove my desire to return. I read another bigfoot report that took place in the vicinity. If a small group of proven seasoned experiencers want to explore this area then I can provide maps, information, and forum reports. There is a primitive campground nearby. This adventure is for the skookum and seasoned researchers. Skookum is a native American word for 'woods wise' that originated in parts of Oregon

Sure. 1) While it's partially out now, I wouldn't use a witnesses real name in an open forum like this. 2) Was there a typo? You say "Joe Dokes" is 50 yo now, but this incident occurred 17 years ago when he was in high school. 3) Given that this appears to have appeared in a remote area, can you and the witness put the start point and approximate cave location on a map program and screen shot it? 4) Would "Joe Dokes" be willing to put you (as an investigator) in contact with witness #2 (John or Jane Doe) so you can get a second version of the incident? 5) For the purpose of someone putting it into the SSR or another database, facts are paramount. We have the who and what. When - to the extent possible, date and time, which would give seasonal information. Where - even a 4-digit grid would allow researchers to see if it relates to other encounters and look at environmental factors (altitude, slope face, etc.) Why - what facts might allow inferences about why the Bigfoot acted that way? What did the witness(es) observe about the cave? I'm sure that others will have questions as well.

This story of ape has been investigated and there are facts that have been discovered about the incident that is posted below. An investigation led to the actual mine and the place where the cabin once stood. Read below and you will understand what facts were excavated from cabin site making the story more than just myth but an actual story that happened. Bigfoot Forums Bigfoot Forums.url The Vanderwhite mine, historically associated with the 1924 incident, was a critical target in the rediscovery efforts. Situated outside the traditional Mount St. Helens mining district, the mine was long thought lost to time and the elements. However, the dedication and meticulous research by Marc Myrsell and his team led to its remarkable rediscovery. The mine's location, outside of the mining district, highlights the historical context of mining claims in the early 20th century. In the era of hand-staked claims, locating this mine was akin to finding a needle in a haystack. Further exploration led to more concrete findings. A significant moment occurred when Braden and Jared Mitchell, members of the research team, sent a photo to the speaker showing an obvious mine entrance, identifiable by the drill holes present. This confirmed the location of the mine, which the speaker had previously visited and estimated to be within 50 to 75 feet of their earlier explorations. In 2014, the discovery of a broken-off box saw blade next to a stump further supported their findings. This, along with other field evidence, convinced them that they had indeed located the cabin. This discovery was seen as a significant part of the history of the Pacific Northwest and was highly prevalent in historical records of the time. The team also found various artifacts at the site, including baling wire (which was identified from a 1924 photo), a spoon, nails, and the foundation of the cabin, with nails still driven into the logs. Despite the area being covered by trees and rocks and appearing just as a steep slope, they were able to uncover two walls of the cabin, as well as some cross beams, by digging down about 4 to 6 inches The rediscovery of the cabin site stands as a testament to the power of perseverance and collaborative historical research. With Marc Myrsell's extensive knowledge and assistance, the team embarked on a journey that would ultimately lead them to the long-lost cabin. This effort was not just about finding a physical structure; it was about reconnecting with a pivotal moment in local folklore and history. The discovery of the cabin site, where the miners once took refuge and faced the mysterious creatures, offers a tangible connection to the stories passed down through generations.

Merry Christmas and happy New Year to all the BFF.

Flash of Beauty

10 votes. Not much of a sampling. What little time I have for watching videos, I go with The Facts By How To Hunt. Like the no nonsense delivery and word for word reading of other folks experiences.

I too believe in UFOs due to personal experiences that I only share with the closest of friends. I don't think they are here to help us or guide us to a new enlightened path. If they are, they got a real odd way of showing their benevolence. That being said, if one does spot UFOs around Bigfoot or vice-versa, why do the Squatches have to be assumed to be in cahoots or paranormal? What if the Squatches themselves are abductees? The Grays take us and experiment on us against our will. They mutilate cattle and other livestock. When a UFO is seen over water or coming out of the ocean, whose to say they aren't mucking about with the whales or dolphins? Since Sasquatches are supposedly close to our genetic makeup, I'm guessinf they would be interesting subject for those big eyed bastards to work on.

Where Paulides loses me is at the idea of “fallen angels”. He doesn’t define this term, and seems to rely on the reader/listener to bring their IYKYK sensibilities to the discussion. As someone raised in the Episcopal, and later on, the Presbyterian (USA) church, I am well acquainted with the concept, but he is pretty much on the fundamentalist dog-whistle track with that. But…to attach much credibility to the whole idea requires a belief in the inerrancy of scripture, especially Old Testament writings. I don’t have too much faith in the Bible being mostly more than an assemblage of allegorical oral traditions…selectively edited by those paying for the work (Looking at you, Emperor Constantine). How the whole idea of angelic transgressors is relevant to solving the problem is left unsaid. It smacks of superstition to me, and is a typically Western solution to explain anything outside of man’s rational experience. If we are relying on Jesus to explain Bigfoot to us at the Rapture, I for one find this less than satisfying. Not wanting to move the discussion too far down this path, as faith is a very sensitive topic to delve into, but do any have opinions to help illuminate what exactly Paulides feels, and Carpenter felt, and how this is at all relevant or useful?

Voted for A Flash of Beauty, their work is amazing. Bigfoot Crossroads, Bigfoot Society, Wood Walkerz for interesting witness reports and general listening, others for more specific geographical or methodical interest.

I like the open mind of Dr. Anna Nikaris. She said in a speech there might be this Pendak animal out there, or Bigfoot, and so on. She discovered some new little monkey not previously known to exist. She gives an adult conversation/ presentation about the concept available on YouTube.

I think my two favorite channels are Sasquatch Theory and Grassman 58

I mean, that’s a place you can always investigate. I kind of take that as proof they’re real and there.

50 degrees. Evening walk in the desert. Listening to mourning doves. Warmth feels nice.

That article from Seattle Magazine about the man kidnapped by a Sasquatch….happened in 1961. I think these incidents must have occurred countless times and are at least partly responsible for unsolved disappearances. I’ve wondered if Sasquatch swoops from trees and scoops up hikers and hunters etc. After a close call with a mountain lion in a tree, I was very careful to check trees for lurking cats , or bears. And that’s when I discovered rock stacks in a tree and subsequent trips I observed the rock stacks changed arrangements and also rock types. It did make me uneasy and after creepy experiences, I quit going there. And one of the reasons was the realization that Sasquatch could ****** people off the ground , even though I had never heard of it, just seeing those rock stack changes prompted me to think of Sasquatches in trees … Really fascinating account of Sasquatches using fire and living in a network of caves and what seemed to be like a Sasquatch village.

Or wrapped in a sleeping bag.........

After Ostman and Ape Canyon, before PGF. A little known event in Washington. Seattle Magazine_ Our Last Monster.pdf

Nah, HOAX!! There's a secret society of hoaxers that go around and plant bigfoot tracks so that unsuspecting hikers/snowplow operators/etc. will find them. Others in their group run around in Bigfoot costumes, anytime, anywhere. Sorry. Just feeling snippy this morning and need more coffee. In fact, I felt so snippy that I forgot to hit "Submit Reply" and will have to drink twice the usual coffee tomorrow morning....

I wouldn't quite put it that way though I can see how someone else might. I think people are just too "danged" sure of themselves, too sure of their infallibility, too sure a mere (monkey, primitive human, near human .. pick one) can't outsmart them. That leads to believing either bigfoot a) doesn't exist or b) must be "magical". For people who have seen enough, non-existence isn't an option. When confronted with what is left, a binary choice between accepting their own limitations or leaping to "magic", their feeble egos choose "magic" as the explanation. I don't happen to fall into that trap. That said, there are a few repeating occurrences ... in other words, good probability there is something real ... which are either beyond current science -or- there's a bit of trickery in play so that we fail to use the correct piece of current science when trying to understand / study / identify it. I think both of those are a cool challenge to try to get to the bottom of and I accept in advance that I may fail to do so. Doesn't make them magic though. (I think your assessment of UFOs, overall, is a very sensible place to start.) MIB

Here is the video of the moose. IMG_2661.mov

If you look at the mind experiment of how many calories a Sasquatch needs per day to survive? And then take into account that the known large omnivore (bear) in North America hibernates during winter? Then I think it stands to reason that interior Sasquatch must migrate to the coasts in order to find enough food to survive. The only other option is that they stockpile food in the summer months and hole up in winter. Maybe only taking limited treks to water or a hunting foray. If they are active during winter in snowy conditions that activity would be easily detectable. A human hunter gatherer walks 7-9 miles per day. That’s at least 12,000 steps or footprints. Times that by however many members there are in the group? It would be impossible to miss. Along with signs of stripping bark or digging roots or killing game.

The paranormal woo aspect is quite disappointing. It is my opinion that these are excuses for no proof of the creatures existence. Better time could be spent procuring a body on a slab instead of being explained by Science fiction. This only makes the case that the creatures probably don't exist in any form. Ufos by definition are certainly real. Are they manned by extraterrestrials,probably not.

And how do you know he is more interested in learning than selling things? Do you see your own double standard being applied now? You do this often. This guy finds Bigfoot stick structures in Colorado every 50 feet and is to be believed. But this guy writes books and is a con artist. You know what I believe in? I believe in PROOF. And it’s been my experience that people who get involved in the WOO? Are the ones willing to give up on providing PROOF. It’s a crutch. A cop out. We followed the Bigfoot tracks and then they just disappeared. Well did a 800 lbs primate suddenly levitate into the air? Or did you just lose the trail? If Bigfoot is self aware? (Great apes are as well) It understands it’s leaving tracks. And it may well use counter tracking tactics against humans. No UFOs, portals or woo necessary. And finally Steve Isdahl is a hunter. Meldrum was a primate locomotion scientist. Nothing against hunters….. but come on. Everything we know about Bigfoot locomotion comes from Meldrum and Krantz. Isdahl reads stories sent to him from the public on a you tube channel. You believe whom ever you want to believe.

This triggered a thought. We have had some discussion about "local circuits" ... not annual migration, but places where the bigfoots might cycle through an area, always moving, but coming past the same spots once a week, or every other week, etc so there is no daily concentration of activity but over a fairly short period of time, there are repetitions. This could considerably complicate understanding the report data in a particular location.

But what is a realistic definition of "the area where they are?" From some old research of mine, which I may update, the home territory for black bears ranges from 1-15 square miles (females) to 8-60 square miles (males). For grizzlies, its 50-300 square miles (females) up to 1,500 square miles (males).* Where would Bigfoot, as a species, slot in to that? Also, what would the regional variations be? Certainly in the PNW, one should expect more compact and stable home ranges. In the northeast US, one of the most "crowded" sighting areas is the corridor around Whitehall, New York.** I don't believe that all of those Bigfoot encounters are the result of Bigfoots that have a home range there. * No citations, I need to update this rudimentary effort. ** This is circa 2018 research.

I read missing 411 Western USA and Eastern USA saw some of his Missing 411 movies as well I'm starting to think he is more of a profit agent

No. For some people they are OBSERVATIONS. The difference is huge. MIB

I am currently filming and editing some projects, I will be adding some of our catalog here for discussion in the near future.

I got out for a solo run on Sunday afternoon to the Bear Creek watershed on the east side of Harrison Lake. The weather was mild and broken clouds, until I reached the summit of the east ridge of the valley, when the wind picked up and brought in cold showers. Of course, I didn't take any pictures on the way up, so all I captured was cloudy views of the lake, 4600' below. The only signs of wildlife were some deer tracks, bear scat, a few squirrels, and 1 skunk, but it was refreshing to get out in the mountains after a few weeks in town.

Gigantor, thank you, especially when you helped me after I fell and was in ICU 11 nights, and 28 more in Rehab. You don't know how much you did. Norseman! Welcome to the helm! I know you will do a great, and grand job of guiding this bark through the choppy seas of Bigfootin.' Thank you for taking on the task. Regards, JHector

Radio receivers cannot detect sound. Sound is wave in the atmosphere, radio is an electromagnetic wave.