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While I take several trips into the dark forest each year, I have gone on only one bigfoot focused trip. Naturally, I was the new guy. But I did get to handle track castings by Bob Titmus and Bob Gimlin! We were on the East side of the Cascade Mountains in Washington State and intended to camp at a location where people have been frightened away by something throwing sticks from the woods. Forest service gates ruined that plan and we camped a few miles away. :( John Andrews showing a casting given to him by Bob Titmus.

Here are some photos from the post above: Chilliwack Lake looking North e

No doubt, and despite the fact that nobody can definitively say what it is there’s still no shortage of people flippantly dismissing it as a bear because the idea that it could be something else is one they don’t want to deal with. Just like Patty is a guy in a suit, sure…..

I've noticed that at least some predators seem to avoid traveling the same path as their prey. On cameras where I get deer, elk and moose; the bears and cougar are mostly seen crossing rather than following the trail. Blue Mountains of Washington Cinnamon Bear crossing the game trail.

My oldest boy, Steve, called me earlier this week to see if I was heading out in the mountains this long weekend. He didn't have to twist my arm very hard to get a yes out of me. ;-) I picked him up at about noon, after my honey-do list was done, and we headed out to the north side of the Fraser River, east of Mission. We chose to go in a FSR that would bring us to a creek valley north of the one where we both had sightings about 45 years ago. The valley of our sightings has become very popular with the local 4x4 and ATV groups, and would be busy on a sunny Good Friday, hence the detour to the back side of those same mountains. Once we got to our chosen branch FSR, we had the place to ourselves, other than 1 truck headed out as we went in. The previous 3 nights had brought heavy rain via thunderstorms, so the road was a little slick, and coated the Hummer with a nice tan coat of mud, rubbing off on our pant legs every time we got in or out of the truck, and washing away any hopes of seeing tracks. Not only were no tracks spotted, no animals were seen all day, either. Every branch trail that we attempted off the main one ended in washout, mudslides, or deadfall, and in 1 case, all 3 in the same spot! By 6 PM we called it a day, and turned around for the 1 hour run back to pavement on the washboard gravel FSR main. I was blessed to be able to get out in the hills with each of my sons on subsequent weekends, It felt like our outings when they were both still teens.

Just because you say it is a bear doesn't make it so.

If the bear don’t fit you must acquit…

Yes, I've been "zapped". Don't know if it was infrasound or not. All I know is that one minute I was knocking or whistling with something in the woods late at night and the next minute, I was filled with terror and locked myself in my minivan crying on the floor. A few minutes later, it was like a switch turned off, I felt completely fine, and I opened the door and continued knocking or whistling. (This happened on one of two nights, same place, same time at night and I no longer remember which is which, in 2012).

I think you overestimate their fear of guns. It's not the gun, it's the person holding it. SCARED people with guns are dangerous, unpredictable, volatile. Calm, confident people with guns are just calm, confident people .. not a threat. It's the fear that turns the gun into a hazard. Humans telegraph fear quite loudly in our posture, motions, and so on. I've had a couple of sightings, camp visits at night, been punked / messed with .. and every time, minus one, I had a gun, often a hunting rifle slung over my shoulder, not something hidden. It ain't about the gun, it's about the human.

The only keyboard warrior is you.

Lowkee, zendog or who ever you are, once you start calling people uncreative names like simpletons, your age and IQ, which is very low, begin to show through. You should take some time to grow up or go troll somewhere else. You are not well versed in the art of trolling. And so far yours is zero.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/21/us/monkeys-truck-crash-pennsylvania.html

"Brush Apes" weren't really different from Sasquatch as far as I remember the stores. However, a friend of my step-father's was on a baseball team in the 1940s which was called the Brush Apes. So it's not a new term. Certainly predates Momo in my recollections. My Samurai Chatter experience bothered me because it lasted for such a long time and on consecutive nights. On the first night I went to sleep after listening for a full hour. Just seemed odd to me that it lasted so long. Later, Mike Jay (over 30 years chasing bigfoot) assured me this was not nearly as unusual as I had thought. Still, I was raised in Missouri so I probably must see it to believe it.

There is no way you can prove it is a bear. Your testimony is as irrelevant to the conversation as anyone else's. You made the statement that it is a bear. A statement you can not back up with anything other than anecdotal evidence.

Those are some pretty horse, and nice pictures.... They don't mean diddly. Too many old timers here do this. Rather than evidence to back their position, look at all this evidence of what a big bad outsdoors guy I am, so I must be right. Its not a sasquatch, it never was. Its a bear at a bear feeding station, in an odd pose, doing bear stuff.

Black Jack and Joker at the ranch Scout and Joker at the snow peak cabin doing work for the USFS Steven, Jasper, Red and Scout at ranch Red at ranch Big Red, Mary Lou and Benny in the Frank Church wilderness, Idaho

An old packer trick is to rub Vicks vapor rub in their nose. I didn’t have any with me so I tied my fleece jacket around her neck that had my sweat on it. Its mainly just time under pack saddle. Another thing that helps young mules is to mix them with old mules. The old mules will teach them with bites or kicks if they get out of line. I had a lead mule that would lift her leg going down the trail if a young mule tried to pass her. If the youngin did not take the hint? They got kicked in the chin. She was the best mule I ever owned. Bought her from the Busted Ass ranch sale in Arlee, Montana. Paid 1500 bucks for her in 96. Everyone laughed at me until it was time to throw elk quarters on and they are having a goat rodeo and my 2 mules are standing in the gut pile ears forward…… they came right off an outfitter pack string. She trained many of the young mules going forward. Suspension bridges, deer, elk, bear, high line etiquette, going down the trail. I shot her with my .44 mag when she was blind and failing in the fall one year. She would not have made it through another winter. I bawled like a baby. Hardest thing I have ever done. She was in her 30s. Her name was Mary Lou.

Guess which one didn't listen to advice and looked at the sun, today.

Lots of great info and resources here as usual. The subject hasn't gotten stagnant to me personally, however I am bored of a lot of the "production" efforts. There's only one group (small town monsters) currently turning out good content on bigfoot and it's because there's little to no fluff for viewers. You get the story then make up your own mind. As for research I kinda stopped watching every one else except the OP, Darby Orcutt, and the kid from the UK with the old world primate DNA showing up. Kinda got me out of the mindset of keeping up with the Joneses on hardware and technology and just sticking to doing what I do best, and that's tracking and ecology studies. I just go out, enjoy the wilderness, take pics, and conduct the occasional survey or official study. If your close to WV I'm open for any of y'all to come out with me anytime. I've got some updating to do over on the southern WV/ Wineberry thread. Good topic

I'm still not sure on these photos. I'm now 80% sick, mangy bear and 20% "no clue".

For whatever reason we can say they don't seem to be having an effect since they are not attracting them. If they are, they are not doing so in a way that results in people getting them on camera or having a reported sighting using them as bait. I like the idea of some scent as bait. Certain animals go into heat. That is a strategy that could be assumed to work for some animals. We all know in people (and some animals) the smell of food or cooking seems to work. We all have heard in science class how wolves came closer smell of food cooking on the fire and became domesticated dogs for the cavemen. What attracts a bigfoot? I don't know if apes are attracted to 'smells' be it pheromones or McDonalds in the garbage bin. We could assume Bigfoot might be more likely to be attracted to what we might be or at least what attracts a Gorilla, but we can't really know. Just guess. All things need to eat sleep mate and so on. Using a smell in a smart way - assuming we know the smell- seems like a reasonable idea. The trick will be to 1) get the right smell 2) have it close enough to enough subjects to lure at least one in. 3) have a camera ready and able when the animal arrives. I remember a Bigfoot show on TV where the person played a set of drums in the woods hoping to make bigfoot 'curious' Not the worst idea. My take would be food attracts people and other animals. Even if I eat, I still notice my stomach rumbles when the neighbor is cooking on the grill or popping popcorn. At the end of the day Dr. Hannible Lecter sums it up well in Silence of the Lambs: Hannibal Lecter: "First principles, Clarice. Simplicity. Read Marcus Aurelius. Of each particular thing ask: what is it in itself? What is its nature? What does he do, this man you seek? In this way, if we could know what Bigfoot likes and provide it to him/her we might have a chance. Clearly what we are doing isn't working or is not working well enough to accomplish a home run encounter.

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I found this out when my wife, grandson, his wife, and daughter who lived with me were always angry when we sat in the living room. I discovered that our unused ceiling fan motor was not operating the fan, but was on and grinding at a nearly undetectable in audio. I turned it off and we all just relaxed and the living room became a relaxing area once again.

The soundscape of surveillance cameras is complicated and is obnoxious to the animal world. Noisy, hard to hide and off gas odors. Spiders and ants enjoy the magnetic fields from the batteries. Some plastics off gas formic acid and that translates to the smell of bee hives and ant hills= bear snack. I am not aware of any reports of an anteater going after a trail cam like bears do. Just an FYI; polypropylene and noryl do not off gas or absorb moisture. Cases made of PP by SeaHorse and Pelican have their place. Those cases have thick walls and do well to attenuate ultrasonic noises. I am reminded of an incident years ago involving trail cameras and small diameter trees in a shallow root ball environment. The researcher checked on the cameras and found the trees had been pushed over and the cameras were aimed at the ground. The statistics for trail camera sales need different categories. Not everyone is monitoring for a hunting season. Trail cameras are purchased for home / property security. Years ago, trail cameras were very expensive and the selection was limited. A cursory check of on line vendors shows a huge inventory, made overseas and many available for about $50. I have been watched putting up trail cameras and placing food. They spy on us and spying on them is difficult.

Absolutely there’s no animal on earth that is immune from being captured on a game camera. Not even the smartest like these Apes or man himself.

There were two images and it was tiny. There are no other clear images of a youngster.

I wouldn’t call that blurry for a nighttime 2007 Game Camera photo? Any photo gets pixilated when you zoom in to look for pimples.

That's one heckuva black kettle.

I love how the tamaracks turn gold in the fall. It looks like the little Mohindra is still serving you well.

W.B.Yeats' Mythologies has some pretty amazing accounts of what happens when you cross the Sidhe! Don't mess with their pathways, trees or stones.

Very poor. The guy has 8 subscribers, one video and the video is 5 years old. Never run a film camera without film! The film pressure plate can be seen. Frame rate is unknown and sounds faster than 24fps. Gain on recording is unknown. With the lens in place, noise would be attenuated. The unit could use a good cleaning and lubrication. The sound from my K-100's is pleasant.

are you okay? I encourage you to find someone to talk to as you seem completely unhinged.

Let's pretend we have a magic scent for attracting Bigfoot. Pick any scent you wish: Food, cooked food, animal hormones, and so on. Further, assume the scent has a bit of a carrying effect. That is, if the scent is attracting effectively, we might assume each hanging sample may draw Bigfoot from several feet away to 100 yards of more away. It probably isn't reasonable to assume miles away but I'm open to the fact it could be miles. Just like trial cams the distribution has to be dense enough to catch bigfoot in its orbit. Trail cams might be limited by the line of sight which might be a short distance only. A scent can travel far so long as it is fresh. That's a clear advantage over trail cams. Yet don't you then need a trail cam for every scent in order to catch bigfoot in the first place? I would say one might need a massive amount of hanging Bigfoot Candy in trees to 'catch' a traveling bigfoot. Those numbers are probably going to need to be high and spread out over a very big area. If you had 100 of these and spread them over Roger and Bob's Bluff Creek/ National Forrest are 100 really going to cover more than a couple miles at best? I love the idea, but the numbers need to be massive even in a bigfoot 'hot spot' assuming one even knows such a hot spot is a hot spot. 1) We don't know the magic scent 2) If we did the scent, it may have a short shelf life like milk going bad after a bit. 3) We probably need a lot of these and the manpower to distribute them 4) Need to go to a target rich environment where Bigfoot is thought to be/recent tracs.

…Cynomolgus monkeys were in such high demand for coronavirus vaccine researchat the beginning of the pandemic that some scientists were talking about the need to create a strategic monkey reserve… I never saw that escaped monkey story before but it was worth reading just to see this, strategic monkey reserve, now you’re talking. One of my favorite things about spending time in the woods no matter what you’re doing is you never know what you may come across.

Nobody said it’s teaming but there’s definitely been some hairy primates running wild in Pennsylvania. In the very least Pennsylvania State Police had 4 bodies. Some folks have witnessed these and other creatures.

Bug-a-bags for catching Japanese Beetles (Junebugs) work amazingly well, and you dump out the bugs once a day into your chicken coop for a treat for the girls, and see a hundred beetles fall into the coop. It does make sense that smells can attract an animal, even a smart one, in the woods for quite a distance. This has been field tested many times, and some studies have looked into primate preferences. Offer a chimp a bowl of raw meat and a bowl of cooked meat, they often take the cooked meat first. doi:10.1016/j.jhevol.2008.03.003 (duke.edu) Think how much better it smells when a neighbor cooks burgers on the grill, than when you do yourself. And you can smell them from a block away. Cooking your own burgers while camping, that scent is travelling for miles, potentially, at levels that a dog can pick up. While we know nothing about the brain of this animal, how large their olfactory centers are, or how sensitive their noses are, you can smell food at a significantly further distance than you can smell uncooked food or blood I'll bet. And I'll bet, being a primate of some sort, they are attracted to the smell of cooking meat. On top of that, those scents burn pathways in our brains, allowing us to recall memories we thought we forgotten. Study suggests that exposure to different smells could help improve memory : NPR As to what would work? Who knows. Nothing works consistently, I guess, or we would see one at every picnic. A Gift of a cooked burger placed downwind outside of camp seems like a great place to start but a great place to attract the attention of bears, racoons, and about a hundred other species which may land you in real danger. Also, I saw a documentary about the subject of human pheromones once, and it didn't work out for the protagonist... "Perfume" it was called. That guy knew scents.

So you meant to quote my posting, and then refer entirely to another person's comments.

And not worth the time/energy to debate further.

It’s clearly a “bear” Thats why it is INFAMOUS as the Jacob photos? I have shot bear, gutted bear and even packed bear out by mule. I’ve never seen a “bear” like that! I have NEVER claimed it’s Sasquatch. The onus is on you to prove it’s a Bear as you claim. Also, did you know that Dr. Mayor found Chimpanzee DNA in a national forest in the Appalachia? How does Chimpanzee DNA end up on a forest floor in the wild? https://www.travelchannel.com/shows/expedition-bigfoot/articles/expedition-bigfoot-exciting-dna-find I don’t know what’s going on back east? But the Jacobs photo IS NOT a Bear. And I would presume it’s not a bipedal primate either. It looks like a Chimpanzee to me.

I hate rain gear, I'll check them out!

Regardless of wishful thinking, Bear

Hello to the administrator and all members of this very interesting forum. I just moved to Oregon this past year and have visited Mt. Hood National Forest and hiking about a few times. It seems I’ve had a strong interest in Sasquatch and it’s hominid cousins since I was a kid. I studied Anthropology in college and became fascinated with human evolution and related paleontology material. Gigantopithecus got my attention, as some schools of thought believe that Bigfoot is a biological descendant of these largest beings of the ape family. The subject of Sasquatch fits right in within the historical journeys of our early ancestors and related homonoids out of Africa.

It always was a bear. There's no doubt. All the other wishful thinking are flights of fancy

I wonder how long Dogman has even been a thing. Personally I’ve always thought it was most likely a misidentification of BF, details can get confused when people are freaked out. The book this came from was published in the 1840’s, I was surprised to see it. It’s a nonfiction collection of stories/writings, this story definitely seemed out of character, I guess the author believed it to be true. I’m thinking it was originally in French.

Interesting thread full of good points. The wilderness is enjoyable and the last day in the woods is the worst day in the woods, hopefully there's always one more. You could spend a lifetime in the woods and never hear or see anything out of the ordinary. You could stumble from your back door too your garbage cans and spot a bigfoot in your yard. I don't think there's a way to improve the odds other than to be out there, enjoying the fresh air. As far as new innovation in the subject, and as much as he's a self aggrandizing showboater, "thinker thunker" promoting body proportion measurement of old photos and videos certainly sheds new light on old evidence. I've heard skepticism over his technique but it still holds true. Go grab a bunch of photos and measure relative length of arms, legs and torso and see what appears.

This is why I seldom "go bigfooting." Instead, I go fishing, hiking, hunting, exploring, taking pictures, whatever. Make those my first priority. Do it where there seems to be an elevated (comparatively speaking) chance of bigfoot activity, but make bigfoot .. secondary. The odds of success at those other things seems higher, high enough to keep the interest going, and "bigfoot country" is a great place to do them.

The point being is a lot of people burn out.

Coyote with mange?

Just like swamp gas or Venus on the horizon when people have witnesses a UFO. It’s the safe explanation. Even when our eyes and logic tell us different.