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My oldest boy, Steve, called me earlier this week to see if I was heading out in the mountains this long weekend. He didn't have to twist my arm very hard to get a yes out of me. ;-) I picked him up at about noon, after my honey-do list was done, and we headed out to the north side of the Fraser River, east of Mission. We chose to go in a FSR that would bring us to a creek valley north of the one where we both had sightings about 45 years ago. The valley of our sightings has become very popular with the local 4x4 and ATV groups, and would be busy on a sunny Good Friday, hence the detour to the back side of those same mountains. Once we got to our chosen branch FSR, we had the place to ourselves, other than 1 truck headed out as we went in. The previous 3 nights had brought heavy rain via thunderstorms, so the road was a little slick, and coated the Hummer with a nice tan coat of mud, rubbing off on our pant legs every time we got in or out of the truck, and washing away any hopes of seeing tracks. Not only were no tracks spotted, no animals were seen all day, either. Every branch trail that we attempted off the main one ended in washout, mudslides, or deadfall, and in 1 case, all 3 in the same spot! By 6 PM we called it a day, and turned around for the 1 hour run back to pavement on the washboard gravel FSR main. I was blessed to be able to get out in the hills with each of my sons on subsequent weekends, It felt like our outings when they were both still teens.

I am just getting warmed up. I wanted to make a post on St. Patricks' day but was blocked by the new firewall. The M18 Motorway in Ireland has one of the famous Hawthorn Trees. Score: Fairies 1, science 0. The delay cost extra tax payer dollars and about 10 years behind schedule. The tax payers approved the extra money to move the motorway project. That Hawthorn Tree is considered to be a portal for the Kerry / Munster Fairies and the Cannaught Fairies to do battle. That portal is their link to the 'Otherworld'. Portals. Why is it portals? This forum has a lot of members in Wales, England, Scotland and Ireland. Places of deep history and high strangeness. I want to know more about the 'Grey Man' and 'Selkies'.

I've noticed that at least some predators seem to avoid traveling the same path as their prey. On cameras where I get deer, elk and moose; the bears and cougar are mostly seen crossing rather than following the trail. Blue Mountains of Washington Cinnamon Bear crossing the game trail.

While I take several trips into the dark forest each year, I have gone on only one bigfoot focused trip. Naturally, I was the new guy. But I did get to handle track castings by Bob Titmus and Bob Gimlin! We were on the East side of the Cascade Mountains in Washington State and intended to camp at a location where people have been frightened away by something throwing sticks from the woods. Forest service gates ruined that plan and we camped a few miles away. :( John Andrews showing a casting given to him by Bob Titmus.

The only keyboard warrior is you.

Lowkee, zendog or who ever you are, once you start calling people uncreative names like simpletons, your age and IQ, which is very low, begin to show through. You should take some time to grow up or go troll somewhere else. You are not well versed in the art of trolling. And so far yours is zero.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/21/us/monkeys-truck-crash-pennsylvania.html

"Brush Apes" weren't really different from Sasquatch as far as I remember the stores. However, a friend of my step-father's was on a baseball team in the 1940s which was called the Brush Apes. So it's not a new term. Certainly predates Momo in my recollections. My Samurai Chatter experience bothered me because it lasted for such a long time and on consecutive nights. On the first night I went to sleep after listening for a full hour. Just seemed odd to me that it lasted so long. Later, Mike Jay (over 30 years chasing bigfoot) assured me this was not nearly as unusual as I had thought. Still, I was raised in Missouri so I probably must see it to believe it.

There is no way you can prove it is a bear. Your testimony is as irrelevant to the conversation as anyone else's. You made the statement that it is a bear. A statement you can not back up with anything other than anecdotal evidence.

Those are some pretty horse, and nice pictures.... They don't mean diddly. Too many old timers here do this. Rather than evidence to back their position, look at all this evidence of what a big bad outsdoors guy I am, so I must be right. Its not a sasquatch, it never was. Its a bear at a bear feeding station, in an odd pose, doing bear stuff.

Black Jack and Joker at the ranch Scout and Joker at the snow peak cabin doing work for the USFS Steven, Jasper, Red and Scout at ranch Red at ranch Big Red, Mary Lou and Benny in the Frank Church wilderness, Idaho

An old packer trick is to rub Vicks vapor rub in their nose. I didn’t have any with me so I tied my fleece jacket around her neck that had my sweat on it. Its mainly just time under pack saddle. Another thing that helps young mules is to mix them with old mules. The old mules will teach them with bites or kicks if they get out of line. I had a lead mule that would lift her leg going down the trail if a young mule tried to pass her. If the youngin did not take the hint? They got kicked in the chin. She was the best mule I ever owned. Bought her from the Busted Ass ranch sale in Arlee, Montana. Paid 1500 bucks for her in 96. Everyone laughed at me until it was time to throw elk quarters on and they are having a goat rodeo and my 2 mules are standing in the gut pile ears forward…… they came right off an outfitter pack string. She trained many of the young mules going forward. Suspension bridges, deer, elk, bear, high line etiquette, going down the trail. I shot her with my .44 mag when she was blind and failing in the fall one year. She would not have made it through another winter. I bawled like a baby. Hardest thing I have ever done. She was in her 30s. Her name was Mary Lou.

Guess which one didn't listen to advice and looked at the sun, today.

Lots of great info and resources here as usual. The subject hasn't gotten stagnant to me personally, however I am bored of a lot of the "production" efforts. There's only one group (small town monsters) currently turning out good content on bigfoot and it's because there's little to no fluff for viewers. You get the story then make up your own mind. As for research I kinda stopped watching every one else except the OP, Darby Orcutt, and the kid from the UK with the old world primate DNA showing up. Kinda got me out of the mindset of keeping up with the Joneses on hardware and technology and just sticking to doing what I do best, and that's tracking and ecology studies. I just go out, enjoy the wilderness, take pics, and conduct the occasional survey or official study. If your close to WV I'm open for any of y'all to come out with me anytime. I've got some updating to do over on the southern WV/ Wineberry thread. Good topic

I'm still not sure on these photos. I'm now 80% sick, mangy bear and 20% "no clue".

For whatever reason we can say they don't seem to be having an effect since they are not attracting them. If they are, they are not doing so in a way that results in people getting them on camera or having a reported sighting using them as bait. I like the idea of some scent as bait. Certain animals go into heat. That is a strategy that could be assumed to work for some animals. We all know in people (and some animals) the smell of food or cooking seems to work. We all have heard in science class how wolves came closer smell of food cooking on the fire and became domesticated dogs for the cavemen. What attracts a bigfoot? I don't know if apes are attracted to 'smells' be it pheromones or McDonalds in the garbage bin. We could assume Bigfoot might be more likely to be attracted to what we might be or at least what attracts a Gorilla, but we can't really know. Just guess. All things need to eat sleep mate and so on. Using a smell in a smart way - assuming we know the smell- seems like a reasonable idea. The trick will be to 1) get the right smell 2) have it close enough to enough subjects to lure at least one in. 3) have a camera ready and able when the animal arrives. I remember a Bigfoot show on TV where the person played a set of drums in the woods hoping to make bigfoot 'curious' Not the worst idea. My take would be food attracts people and other animals. Even if I eat, I still notice my stomach rumbles when the neighbor is cooking on the grill or popping popcorn. At the end of the day Dr. Hannible Lecter sums it up well in Silence of the Lambs: Hannibal Lecter: "First principles, Clarice. Simplicity. Read Marcus Aurelius. Of each particular thing ask: what is it in itself? What is its nature? What does he do, this man you seek? In this way, if we could know what Bigfoot likes and provide it to him/her we might have a chance. Clearly what we are doing isn't working or is not working well enough to accomplish a home run encounter.

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Actually the snail darter is not a snail. It is a fish.

Interesting thread full of good points. The wilderness is enjoyable and the last day in the woods is the worst day in the woods, hopefully there's always one more. You could spend a lifetime in the woods and never hear or see anything out of the ordinary. You could stumble from your back door too your garbage cans and spot a bigfoot in your yard. I don't think there's a way to improve the odds other than to be out there, enjoying the fresh air. As far as new innovation in the subject, and as much as he's a self aggrandizing showboater, "thinker thunker" promoting body proportion measurement of old photos and videos certainly sheds new light on old evidence. I've heard skepticism over his technique but it still holds true. Go grab a bunch of photos and measure relative length of arms, legs and torso and see what appears.

Thank you for working through it! You are amazing, and we appreciate you.

This is why I seldom "go bigfooting." Instead, I go fishing, hiking, hunting, exploring, taking pictures, whatever. Make those my first priority. Do it where there seems to be an elevated (comparatively speaking) chance of bigfoot activity, but make bigfoot .. secondary. The odds of success at those other things seems higher, high enough to keep the interest going, and "bigfoot country" is a great place to do them.

Well, to be fair? There is a lot of hoaxing going on. And the deepfake stuff is getting better by the day. But a common thing I hear among Bigfooters and skeptics alike? Is why don’t we get any camera trap photos? Well….. we do! We also get tons and tons of IPhone video of a dark figure walking across a slope or through a forest, etc, etc. To put it into perspective? People complain about grainy FLIR footage shot by a F/A 18 Super Hornet in regards to UAPs…..🤷‍♂️ And then as you say people become enthralled with a photo or video of a cryptid or whatever that then becomes the unrealistic bar by which everything else is measured. In Bigfootdom that’s the PGF. In the Loch Ness monster it’s the surgeons photo. In UFO’s it’s the McMinnville photo. Whatever. So when you don’t see a flying saucer…. You see a flying cigar? Your sighting doesn’t line up… Or you don’t see a bipedal hominid you see a quadruped ape thing? Again it doesn’t line up. All I can say from my 53 years of hunting and fishing is that something weird is going on in Pennsylvania AND Kentucky. If the Jacobs photos obviously showed a Bear in its two photos? Non of us would have heard about it. Is it proof? Of course not. But we do have proof of Chimp DNA in a national forest in Kentucky. That’s proof! What is it doing there? That remains to be seen. But without a doubt it’s weird. And if I was standing on my porch in Kentucky and heard or saw a Chimp in the woods? Where would my mind go?

Well….a Chimp certainly doesn’t have much of a heel. And if they curl their toes I don’t think you could easily discern it from a paw. Unless it’s using its feet as hands.

It is not a Sasquatch. Again, the camera had a factory setting of one image every 30 seconds. 30 seconds is a lot time for an animal to enter and leave a bait station. That format can be limiting for ID and locomotion observations. It was cost effective to monitor for deer, bear, turkey or ground hogs. An image does show that the target did not have an elongated Calcaneus at the heel = not a Sasquatch. I have had a lot bear images: walking forwards, walking backwards, doing a spin and turn move to change directions, walking on a log etc. I deleted most of them. It is a blobsquatch to be fodder for social media. At the end of the day, there is an expression that works: " I don't know". 'I don't know' is a good answer. For those of you who want to burn more time, find out if Mr. Jacobs sold his Bushnell camera on ebay and bought a Reconyx brand camera. That time period would probably be an RM45, RC55 or an old Silent Image. Carry on.

There were two images and it was tiny. There are no other clear images of a youngster.

W.B.Yeats' Mythologies has some pretty amazing accounts of what happens when you cross the Sidhe! Don't mess with their pathways, trees or stones.

Very poor. The guy has 8 subscribers, one video and the video is 5 years old. Never run a film camera without film! The film pressure plate can be seen. Frame rate is unknown and sounds faster than 24fps. Gain on recording is unknown. With the lens in place, noise would be attenuated. The unit could use a good cleaning and lubrication. The sound from my K-100's is pleasant.

I don’t care if your a troll or my best friend. The Jacobs creature does NOT look like any Bear I have ever seen in my lifetime. Young or old. Fat or skinny. Sick or healthy. Standing up hill or downhill. That’s my opinion based on a lifetime of dealing with bears. I am simply being honest. Could I be wrong? Sure. And that is why I asked for someone to show me a OBVIOUS bear that looked like the Jacobs photo. And thus far? None of the mangy skinny bear pics are convincing to me. And that’s because I see shoulders hiding the head in the Jacobs photos. Bears? Do not have shoulders. And? The Chimp vs Jacobs creature comparisons are dead ringers in my opinion. 🤷‍♂️

Let's pretend we have a magic scent for attracting Bigfoot. Pick any scent you wish: Food, cooked food, animal hormones, and so on. Further, assume the scent has a bit of a carrying effect. That is, if the scent is attracting effectively, we might assume each hanging sample may draw Bigfoot from several feet away to 100 yards of more away. It probably isn't reasonable to assume miles away but I'm open to the fact it could be miles. Just like trial cams the distribution has to be dense enough to catch bigfoot in its orbit. Trail cams might be limited by the line of sight which might be a short distance only. A scent can travel far so long as it is fresh. That's a clear advantage over trail cams. Yet don't you then need a trail cam for every scent in order to catch bigfoot in the first place? I would say one might need a massive amount of hanging Bigfoot Candy in trees to 'catch' a traveling bigfoot. Those numbers are probably going to need to be high and spread out over a very big area. If you had 100 of these and spread them over Roger and Bob's Bluff Creek/ National Forrest are 100 really going to cover more than a couple miles at best? I love the idea, but the numbers need to be massive even in a bigfoot 'hot spot' assuming one even knows such a hot spot is a hot spot. 1) We don't know the magic scent 2) If we did the scent, it may have a short shelf life like milk going bad after a bit. 3) We probably need a lot of these and the manpower to distribute them 4) Need to go to a target rich environment where Bigfoot is thought to be/recent tracs.

I don’t find you amusing at all. You’re just a troll. Your reasoning is about as good as your reading comprehension.

Nobody said it’s teaming but there’s definitely been some hairy primates running wild in Pennsylvania. In the very least Pennsylvania State Police had 4 bodies. Some folks have witnessed these and other creatures.

You’re the one that just said a chimp in the middle of Pennsylvania was nonsense? There were 4 at least at one time for sure in the same area because the Jacob creature was North from Pittsburgh and those monkeys were North West from Philadelphia.

There were 4 cynomolgus monkeys running wild in Montour County, about 150 miles northwest of Philadelphia, the State Police killed them.

This photo is 100% Primate running wild in Pennsylvania during winter!

IDK, maybe if you would have just owned up to your mistake when I first pointed it out?

And not worth the time/energy to debate further.

I don't know if it is desperation as much as branching out to get more dollars flowing into the coffers to do more research. But I do agree every video seems to be more of the same. And I realize one realistically can not expect them to get footage of a Squatch all the time... and maybe, not even once. But if you can't put out a video that has any decent evidence such as quality tracks, sightings, howls, etc...then don't put a video out there until you can. I don't need drone shots of treetops and "amusing" montages of breakfast being fixed or slo-mo walks along the trail. We need substance. Quality not quantity.

I hate rain gear, I'll check them out!

Actually most have moved on from these misidentified bear photos.

Howdy all.....some interesting pics from recent hikes, the headless Barbie doll was definitely creepy considering the remoteness of where it was.

I am back to kick the hornet's nest. I was way off about the State animal procedure happening in the 90's. It was during 1970. I had to dig deep in the Catmandoo files to retrieve a few gems. I posted a comment about the date that the Skamania County Ordinance was reviewed. In 1984, April 1st was on a Sunday. Clever Commissioners had to wait until Monday, the 2nd. Besides the Skamania County Ordinance, I am aware of action in Whatcom County and Grays Harbor County. Whatcom and Grays Harbor County paperwork are aligned to a refuge-protection area, not an ESA zone. Washington's official proclamation to make Sasquatch the state monster is a good read. There is a link at the bottom of the Archives Spotlight page that will hook you up with 19 pages of proclamation notes, memos and some poems and lyrics. On page 7, they present information on the Sasquatch--Modoc Treaty. Whatcom County: https://documents.whatcomcounty.us/WebLink/DocView.aspx?dbid=0&id=3276411&page=1&cr=1 Grays Harbor County, action in this century 2022: https://www.kxro.com/grays-harbor-designated-as-a-sasquatch-protection-and-refuge-area/ Washington State Monster with a good image of Patty: https://blogs.sos.wa.gov/fromourcorner/index.php/2018/01/history-friday-washingtons-official-state-monster/ The work in the previous century was humorous, serious and they avoided the ESA arena with safety zones / refuges. Those fifth grade students in Hoquiam will probably work the forest with disposable , one-time use cameras.

https://www.clyx.com/books/blake/anecdotes_of_the_american_indians/the_idol_of_the_peorias_from_an_old_traveller.htm Here’s a story I’ve never seen before, I read it in an old book and then found it online. I’m thinking this dates to the mid-late 1700’s, the Peorias moved west of the Mississippi after the French and Indian War in 1763. The gist of it is ‘Old Traveller’ visited an Indian village where they kept a creature they found in the woods, it comes to an unfortunate end and he secures the remains and turns it over to a collector in France. …Judge of my astonishment, for this is the picture of their Manitou: his head hung upon his breast, and looked like a goat’s; his ears and his cruel eye were like those of a lynx, with the same kind of hair; his feet, hands, and thighs were in form something like those of a man. “The Indians found him in the woods, at the foot of a ridge of mountains… Not exactly a BF description, but no neck and humanoid shape caught my attention. If true what else could it be? …so that it was strangled. I got it instantly dissected, in order to bring it to France, where its skeleton is now in the cabinet of natural history of M. de Fayolles… Who knows what may have fallen into human hands in the past only to be forgotten/misidentified and tossed aside, or destroyed.

I wonder how long Dogman has even been a thing. Personally I’ve always thought it was most likely a misidentification of BF, details can get confused when people are freaked out. The book this came from was published in the 1840’s, I was surprised to see it. It’s a nonfiction collection of stories/writings, this story definitely seemed out of character, I guess the author believed it to be true. I’m thinking it was originally in French.

Hello from South Florida. I’ve come to seek a deeper understanding of the topic and learn from those of you with lived experience. The notion that there’s something so grand thriving just beyond the boundaries of our society fascinates me to no end. I’m thrilled to be here and intend to listen and learn. JJ

We have no way to quantify if they are doing well or not. But I am sure the loss of habitat along the I5 corridor, the loss of salmon runs, the Mt. St. Helen’s eruption, etc have all had impacts on their population. It would be my hope that if the species is recognized by science that it would be Federally protected.

Sasquatch does find you, no question about it, but you have to put yourself in a spot for that opportunity to occur. E. 42nd St and Park Ave (Grand Central Station) won't produce the desired results. I would say deep woods aren't a necessity but being in areas that have access to wilderness isn't a bad idea. Those who endeavor to go sasquatching will eventually get frustrated unless being in the woods itself is the fun part. Knowing wilderness survival, and practicing it, along with wilderness navigation techniques help to reduce concerns about getting injured or lost. Never too old to learn nor ever too busy to participate unless life's responsibilities or other more desirable activities tug harder at your coattails. Half the battle is just getting out there.

Getting started as an adult can be difficult. You need some friends, a mentor. Consider taking some .. I hesitate to call them "classes", maybe seminars is a better word .. from someone like REI to get you roughly familiarized with camping. Then when you are comfortable enough, try going out with a group like BFRO. It is not for everyone but .. y' gotta start somewhere. I know some people who go on such trips who "camp" inside their cars which reduces the amount of gear needed.

Freeman was not a hoax... he wanted to make a set of feet for testing and to determine the weights based on depth of the prints he was finding and it was taken out of context...that has long been put to bed but yet some always bring it up. Heres an article on the juvenile, if you view the original you can see it. http://www.oregonbigfoot.com/bigfoot_video/freeman_bigfoot.php