Guest Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 This is quite a surreal thread, with the orcs and all. A very wise and very old man gifted in healing and knowledgeable about a great many things once told me that having bigfoot or their near relatives around your neighborhood brings good luck and that killing them is very, very bad luck and will bring death to your very doorstep. I bet you heard that too. I think a lot depends on the eventual classification of our hairy friends. If they are classed as people, in this part of the world they are safe from all but the very craziest of hunters. I don't know that rich hunters will be the only crazy hunters who might want to "bag" one. Poor ones can be pretty off balance, too. ( ~~ But if they are people, they might get ....I don't know.. Voting rights? Education? Rural electrification? Reservations? Casinos? Gun permits? Hunting licenses? ~~) The Chinese medicine trade in animal parts is despicable. You gotta draw the cultural relativity line somewhere, and I draw mine right | here. I imagine vegetable substitutes for their treatments would work at least as well if merely described as more powerful than the animal products. But again, killing a bf is very bad luck, the worst. That impotence treatment won't do you much good if you are dead as dead can be. The placebo effect works both ways, ya know. The bush meat trade is a real threat and a worry. The taste for bush meat is mostly out of sheer need, as I understand it. We can work to feed those peoples in hope that such practices will die out when conditions are less desperate. However, Africa today. . . . .maybe elsewhere tomorrow. I resent the implication that Americans are more greedy or materialistic than any other clutch of people in the same circumstances. This is stereotyping. Surely other nationalities also come to mind if we want to point to examples of unseemly excess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 Prag, congrats on your hunt! This is a great subject! If the paper is well received, and if helps pave the way to species verification, some involved will have a voice and an audience. If we, ( The Olympic Project ) end up with that voice, the first thing we'll start talking about and pushing for is protection. Believe it or not, that is our goal. I know it's a very complex issue, but it has to start somewhere. DR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyO Posted November 26, 2011 SSR Team Share Posted November 26, 2011 That's a good thing Derek, good to hear too.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 Derek, thnx re the hunt. It went too quick this year. Re verification and protection, I realize your intentions may be altruistic, however the goal will not be so simple. It IS the process of verification and protection which will increase activity of the negative elements I raise. For one thing, given Sasquatch are likely human to some degree, they likely won't even fit under the Endangered Species Act. On the other hand, society will have a very difficult time accepting that they are human like us either. Not to mention, this field hasn't had a hint of what the timber lobby will throw at the issue. They will do everything possible to prevent any kind of protection, and EVERY roadblock will be thrown up to discount their existence because they won't want to see the woods further locked up for any reason. The DNA evidence will be considered incomplete w/o a body by their scientists who will be testifying before Congress and bombarding their data to the agencies involved. This is where a new drive will play out for requiring a body too. What you desire, will have little influence in the grand scheme of things. You can admit you are no expert on the species can't you? Someone will call out your expertise and then what pull will you have? Have you ever even seen a Sasquatch with your own eyes Derek? There are a thousand other individuals out there who have been chasing them for decades but have never seen one. No disrespect intended but there are many out there whose expertise is chasing something they have never seen. And frankly, when the Skookum Cast is raised, well the facts will come out that no elk biologist has ever even been allowed to examine all the evidence. That's basically concealing evidence. Somehow, detailed photographs of the scene are never shared openly and just about any photographic evidence is withheld or quickly removed by those who control the evidence. That's not science and unfortunately it has tarnished those involved. If you read my blog, you should be able to recognize that will be a very convoluted issue. There are many species out there with protection that are on the brink of extinction, but because the demand has gotten so high for specimens or what have you, they remain threatened by humans. Protected Rhinos and Gorillas in certain areas require 24 hour armed guards. That is a result of human nature, no matter what continent. Protection will be a catch 22 because their existence will be proven, thus creating a new demand. What voice you now may think you will have, may become tiny after the initial press conference. The momentum that comes could be impossible for you to stop. It will likely be completely out of your control Derek as yet unidentified 'power players' will take the lead. People and industries who will do everything they can to deny the data. With no body, the data will always be questioned. I am completely against harvesting a body too, but let's not be naive, the world will demand one under the not yet evolved political climate to come. Without a body, they may even say that human DNA was merely manipulated and that is what was tested. What then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cervelo Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 (edited) Prag, That's exactly what's going to happen. It will make the press for a couple of days(if it sees the light of day at all) Just long enough for a researcher/expert to talk enough to make a fool of themselves and it will be business as usual! Just look at how defense people get here wait till the real world gets a hold of them! It will be fun to watch! Edited November 26, 2011 by Cervelo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WesT Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 Alot of dummies out there poaching will end up shooting each other, or someone else, by mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Thepattywagon Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 And what is sad is that had the Sierra Shooters simply tossed that young'un in the truck before they skedaddled, there would be a body to complete the verification process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Strick Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 (edited) Genetic engineering and research is progressing in leaps and bounds, and that is a great and wonderful thing for medical research, but we need to make sure legislation and enforcement stays ahead of the potential abuses of the technology. Unfortunately, I don't see that realistically happening once nations realize it is cheaper to grow super soldiers, once we are capable of doing such a thing, than it is to invest in the development of more high tech machine weaponry. Sorry Jodie and Prag, saw this couldn't resist.... Edited November 26, 2011 by Strick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 Derek, thnx re the hunt. It went too quick this year. Re verification and protection, I realize your intentions may be altruistic, however the goal will not be so simple. It IS the process of verification and protection which will increase activity of the negative elements I raise. For one thing, given Sasquatch are likely human to some degree, they likely won't even fit under the Endangered Species Act. On the other hand, society will have a very difficult time accepting that they are human like us either. Not to mention, this field hasn't had a hint of what the timber lobby will throw at the issue. They will do everything possible to prevent any kind of protection, and EVERY roadblock will be thrown up to discount their existence because they won't want to see the woods further locked up for any reason. The DNA evidence will be considered incomplete w/o a body by their scientists who will be testifying before Congress and bombarding their data to the agencies involved. This is where a new drive will play out for requiring a body too. What you desire, will have little influence in the grand scheme of things. You can admit you are no expert on the species can't you? Someone will call out your expertise and then what pull will you have? Have you ever even seen a Sasquatch with your own eyes Derek? There are a thousand other individuals out there who have been chasing them for decades but have never seen one. No disrespect intended but there are many out there whose expertise is chasing something they have never seen. And frankly, when the Skookum Cast is raised, well the facts will come out that no elk biologist has ever even been allowed to examine all the evidence. That's basically concealing evidence. Somehow, detailed photographs of the scene are never shared openly and just about any photographic evidence is withheld or quickly removed by those who control the evidence. That's not science and unfortunately it has tarnished those involved. If you read my blog, you should be able to recognize that will be a very convoluted issue. There are many species out there with protection that are on the brink of extinction, but because the demand has gotten so high for specimens or what have you, they remain threatened by humans. Protected Rhinos and Gorillas in certain areas require 24 hour armed guards. That is a result of human nature, no matter what continent. Protection will be a catch 22 because their existence will be proven, thus creating a new demand. What voice you now may think you will have, may become tiny after the initial press conference. The momentum that comes could be impossible for you to stop. It will likely be completely out of your control Derek as yet unidentified 'power players' will take the lead. People and industries who will do everything they can to deny the data. With no body, the data will always be questioned. I am completely against harvesting a body too, but let's not be naive, the world will demand one under the not yet evolved political climate to come. Without a body, they may even say that human DNA was merely manipulated and that is what was tested. What then? All good points Prag, but if given the opportunity we will try to the best of our ability to do whatever we can. I am realistic about the complexity of these issues, and realize our attempts could be futile. That being said, we'd still have to try. Yes I have seen Bigfoot two times during the coarse of my research, both times in the Olympic Mt range. DR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jodie Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 If we, ( The Olympic Project ) end up with that voice, the first thing we'll start talking about and pushing for is protection. Believe it or not, that is our goal. DR I don't know how I could have ever thought there was anything egotistical about you...........Now that you are on board with the cause I don't have to worry about bigfoot's future anymore all thanks to you, whatta guy!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Pruitt Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 Jodie, May I ask what you're doing to validate the existence of sasquatches, and to enact protective laws for this species? Certainly you're actively involved, since you're so critical of the work of others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jodie Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 Matt-You are welcome to read it at southcarolinabigfoot-jodie.blogspot.com. It's the blog I've done to keep my family and friends updated so I don't have to keep repeating the same thing over and over again like Derek is having to do. I applaud the work of Derek and others, what I do not condone is his attitude when asked a question that upsets him. His paranoia is a little bit too high and the continued arrogance is getting a little old. I question the motivation of anyone that feels he must continue to post here explaining himself when he keeps complaining that he has already answered most of the questions he can answer. It is no longer about the story at that point IMO. I do have a suggestion though to make that better. He could get permission to go back through the threads and cut and paste a synopsis of answers from questions asked here onto the OP site. That way, the forum members could simply refer back to the OP site for review rather than trying to wade through 60+ pages of thread on this forum. I'm not volunteering for that job but maybe some of the OP members could take on sections of it..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cervelo Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 What Jodie says times ten!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 I don't know how I could have ever thought there was anything egotistical about you...........Now that you are on board with the cause I don't have to worry about bigfoot's future anymore all thanks to you, whatta guy!!! Jodie, I've been on board with the cause for a long long time. You don't care for me, I get it, but I'm far from egotistical. Once again, you are wrong. Matt, thank's, It's nice to hear from somebody that actually knows me and is very familiar with my research. Hope you're doing well man. Jodie, if other people here like yourself would like me to stop posting, here's your chance. Tell me. I'll leave quietly, and will not come back..no problemo DR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jodie Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 Well it isn't up to me, but if you get someone asking a question you don't like, rather than pulling a primadonna fit why don't you just say, "I can't answer that", "yes", or "no". Simple. The vast majority of us do not know you, we can only judge you by your behavior here. You can choose to use that to your benefit, or not. You are coming off arrogant and condescending most of the time now and folks are going to remember that above all else in the future. If your impatience is about the redundancy of the threads regarding the shooting and the study you can address those on your web site very easily and refer questions over there saving you a lot of time and frustration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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