Erickson Project

[Guest]

Hi SusiQ! Some computers (like mine at work) still wont play the trailer from Adrian's page. It doesn't even show up. Shake was referring to the original one, which doesn't exist anymore, but here's the newest trailer via You Tube!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yq9DoA_g8k

[Guest]

I with you Xion Comrade. No one has said anything about the conference yet that I can find. What is the big secret.

[Guest]

Efrum said:

Hi SusiQ!

Some computers (like mine at work) still wont play the trailer from Adrian's page. It doesn't even show up. Shake was referring to the original one, which doesn't exist anymore, but here's the newest trailer via You Tube!

Susiq says:

Oh Wow! Thank you so very much. You, Sir, are my newest hero! Sincerely felt.

[Guest]

I with you Xion Comrade. No one has said anything about the conference yet that I can find. What is the big secret.

No secret really, just not much to tell. The event was to honor John Green, not about the Erickson Project. Everyone had a great time and I believe the event was very successful.

[BobbyO]

There's a hint: Leila Hadj-Chikh wrote a lenghty foreword in Bindernagels "Discovery of the Sasquatch". Bindernagel is a proponent of the "nonhuman great ape hypothesis". It's speculation but I assume that she wrote the foreword after the first results of the DNA analysis came back. Would she really have written a foreword to a book that supports the Ape theory if she didn't support the overall claim of the book? I don't think so.

Good shout Chris..

[Guest]

Susiq says:

Oh Wow! Thank you so very much. You, Sir, are my newest hero! Sincerely felt.

More than welcome.

No secret really, just not much to tell. The event was to honor John Green, not about the Erickson Project. Everyone had a great time and I believe the event was very successful.

Agreed Sasky. However, I know for a fact that if I'd been able to be there, there's no way I could be in a room with Erickson all day without asking a question or twelve.

Surely someone had a photo op that went something like this:

(SMILE) "...so Adrian," (SMILE) "...what can you tell us..." (SMILE) etc...

[Guest]

I thought Erickson was going to present. Did he not say anything about his project? Were the presentations all meant to honor John Green?

They need to release this evidence soon. It would be a shame if he passed on before it happens. However, they might have already showed it to him since he is in the documentary and a pioneer in the field.

[Guest]

Oh that should go over well from a certain can't talk about point of view.

If that theory were to be proposed, um, BFF guidelines might need to be amended some or we'll be unable to discuss one of the most significant ramifications of the findings.

I've often speculated that they were 'here first' and that they could be related somehow. Hence some NA's 'Big Brother' reference. Maybe they REALLY did mean that literally.

It's hard to edit colors so I just declined.

So ya, I getcha. I wish I didn't, but I do.

It's going to be a world shaker if the DNA comes back for reals human, that's for sure. I don't think a lot of people are going to be able to extrapolate though. And that's just as well....

I really really really personally wish and hope it's a variant of Giganto though. But that's just me. For my own personal reasons.

I guess I trust animals more than humans in some respects.

[Guest]

Yep Ilikebluepez, that's something you guys may need to start talking about in the weeks/months to come cause it may be more like having the 'Lion by the tail' situation around here depending on which direction things take. The 'R' word happens to be a fact of life, so maybe discussion parameters may help?

This is an interesting document written by Ray Crowe about Zana, but it also includes added material on Sas DNA analyses over the years. Its worth reading the whole text at NABS, but here's an excerpt.

"... Hotly denied some, more recently, DNA researchers, as opposed to Bigfoot researchers, think that Almas and the North American Sasquatch are human. And that the Sasquatch, Yeran, Kaptar, Yowie (Australia), Yeti, and Mapinguari (Amazon), plus the Alma, are all closely related cousins. My first personal thoughts were of a “Homo erectus (Neanderthal is a descendant of them)†for a model of the Bigfoot that had evolved to different forms in different environments, which even is how Darwin explained the variation in species from Galapogos specimens and observations. Note, the Neanderthal separated from “H. erectus†some 600,000 years ago.

But some few of the scientists thought the often ape-like and often human appearing creatures were probably a form of human, very similar to us. My first exposure was from the geneticist Dr. Ruth McFarland in 1995 who presented evidence of the Washington State Bigfoot as being human at a Carson, WA, conference.

More recently, I have time and again run across DNA evidence that suggested human…but at the time, to the scientists involved, all were “contaminated!†Even a sample I provided from the Zac Cave in Idaho was said to be contaminated.

The Coy/Green Tennessee hair samples are a prime example of where some scientists began to see the light. Dr. Henner Fahrenbach tested a hair taken from the wrist of a Bigoot named Fox, and declared it to be human. Bob Daigle, a friend of Mary Green’s sent a hair sample to be tested for DNA by a geneticist (named only as Dan) who found nothing but human results, the sample sequence being an exact match. He sequenced 300 nucleotides from a mitochondrial gene called clytochrome b, and amplified a 1100 base pair fragment, then ran results against the GeneBank database…human.

Control tests were run that were deliberately contaminated with dog and cat DNA…despite which still the Fox hair sample ended up testing human.

The rest of the general scientific community and senior Bigfoot researchers deniability is reaching the point of being ridiculous. At some point, some very public agency or noted personage is going to declare that the creatures are actually human beings…just different from modern man through a subtle shift in the genetic code. Perhaps just a few genes are involved…though important ones, and they need to be identified.

Once that point has been achieved, perhaps we can gain valuable insight into what the tiny genetic variations are between us and Zana. Those that add up to huge differences…maybe even the solution as to what caused the jump to “intelligence†in Africa some 200-140 thousand years ago when there was a giant intellectual break between “Homo erectus†and modern humans. The answer to why we are US."

Edited April 13, 2011 by PragmaticTheorist

[Guest]

or maybe the hair samples where actually real human hair from the start.??

Yep Ilikebluepez, that's something you guys may need to start talking about in the weeks/months to come cause it may be more like having the 'Lion by the tail' situation around here depending on which direction things take. The 'R' word happens to be a fact of life, so maybe discussion parameters may help?

This is an interesting document written by Ray Crowe about Zana, but it also includes added material on Sas DNA analyses over the years. Its worth reading the whole text at NABS, but here's an excerpt.

"... Hotly denied some, more recently, DNA researchers, as opposed to Bigfoot researchers, think that Almas and the North American Sasquatch are human. And that the Sasquatch, Yeran, Kaptar, Yowie (Australia), Yeti, and Mapinguari (Amazon), plus the Alma, are all closely related cousins. My first personal thoughts were of a “Homo erectus (Neanderthal is a descendant of them)†for a model of the Bigfoot that had evolved to different forms in different environments, which even is how Darwin explained the variation in species from Galapogos specimens and observations. Note, the Neanderthal separated from “H. erectus†some 600,000 years ago.

But some few of the scientists thought the often ape-like and often human appearing creatures were probably a form of human, very similar to us. My first exposure was from the geneticist Dr. Ruth McFarland in 1995 who presented evidence of the Washington State Bigfoot as being human at a Carson, WA, conference.

More recently, I have time and again run across DNA evidence that suggested human…but at the time, to the scientists involved, all were “contaminated!†Even a sample I provided from the Zac Cave in Idaho was said to be contaminated.

The Coy/Green Tennessee hair samples are a prime example of where some scientists began to see the light. Dr. Henner Fahrenbach tested a hair taken from the wrist of a Bigoot named Fox, and declared it to be human. Bob Daigle, a friend of Mary Green’s sent a hair sample to be tested for DNA by a geneticist (named only as Dan) who found nothing but human results, the sample sequence being an exact match. He sequenced 300 nucleotides from a mitochondrial gene called clytochrome b, and amplified a 1100 base pair fragment, then ran results against the GeneBank database…human.

Control tests were run that were deliberately contaminated with dog and cat DNA…despite which still the Fox hair sample ended up testing human.

The rest of the general scientific community and senior Bigfoot researchers deniability is reaching the point of being ridiculous. At some point, some very public agency or noted personage is going to declare that the creatures are actually human beings…just different from modern man through a subtle shift in the genetic code. Perhaps just a few genes are involved…though important ones, and they need to be identified.

Once that point has been achieved, perhaps we can gain valuable insight into what the tiny genetic variations are between us and Zana. Those that add up to huge differences…maybe even the solution as to what caused the jump to “intelligence†in Africa some 200-140 thousand years ago when there was a giant intellectual break between “Homo erectus†and modern humans. The answer to why we are US."

[Guest]

or maybe the hair samples where actually real human hair from the start.??

Yeah, but maybe you'll get a chance to debate that with Dr. Leila Hadj-Chikh once the results are in too.

[Guest ajciani]

I find the possibility of bigfoots being in the Homo line very acceptable. I could certainly imagine some mutation taking them back to hairy, and then becoming robust and gigantic in temperate conditions. Their hairiness could easily have kept them "outcast" from other human populations. Being nomadic is a human trait.

What makes us civilized? Civilization. Humans maintain a strong cultural continuity. Children learn the culture from their parents, and in turn teach it to their children. We could never do the experiment, but imagine a child being raised by parents who foraged for vegetables, scrounged for grubs, occasionally took game, and never talked, but communicated their emotions with grunts and growls. The child would do the same as its parents. When that child reached even 5 years of age, if its parents suddenly went back to the house, returned to the office, and began to talk, that child would likely never become a master of speech, math, or thought, the formation of the later skills being dependent on the first. It would be a wild boy, probably unable to function in our society.

The question then is, what can a bigfoot learn? Would a bigfoot raised by humans act human? If it can, then it is.

[Xion Comrade]

I find the possibility of bigfoots being in the Homo line very acceptable. I could certainly imagine some mutation taking them back to hairy, and then becoming robust and gigantic in temperate conditions. Their hairiness could easily have kept them "outcast" from other human populations. Being nomadic is a human trait.

What makes us civilized? Civilization. Humans maintain a strong cultural continuity. Children learn the culture from their parents, and in turn teach it to their children. We could never do the experiment, but imagine a child being raised by parents who foraged for vegetables, scrounged for grubs, occasionally took game, and never talked, but communicated their emotions with grunts and growls. The child would do the same as its parents. When that child reached even 5 years of age, if its parents suddenly went back to the house, returned to the office, and began to talk, that child would likely never become a master of speech, math, or thought, the formation of the later skills being dependent on the first. It would be a wild boy, probably unable to function in our society.

The question then is, what can a bigfoot learn? Would a bigfoot raised by humans act human? If it can, then it is.

^^^ This

Would have to keep in mind assuming they are like us, that is a reallll big body on that person, and that is alooooot of testosterone coursing through it's veins...How in the world would anyone hope to keep it in line? As soon as it got POed enough 30 people are going to die before the cops even know whats going on XD But I can just imagine the maniacs that will want to keep one as a pet or "Domesticate" one...Have a ad from a online pet trading deal, where some doodlebugs in California bought a baby gorilla(For real) and were wanting to give it away because it was going to be such a burden >.< Wonder how many big boy gorillas had to die to get that baby? Sick world we live in...just 300 dollars too!

[Guest Bigfoot Proof]

imagine a child being raised by parents who foraged for vegetables, scrounged for grubs, occasionally took game, and never talked, but communicated their emotions with grunts and growls. The child would do the same as its parents. When that child reached even 5 years of age, if its parents suddenly went back to the house, returned to the office, and began to talk, that child would likely never become a master of speech, math, or thought, the formation of the later skills being dependent on the first. It would be a wild boy, probably unable to function in our society. The question then is, what can a bigfoot learn? Would a bigfoot raised by humans act human? If it can, then it is.

That is correct and this is where linguists experts who study this phenomena come into to play. If the child does not have the tools imprinted by a VERY young age, they can never learn language and other skills... never. Its proven. This is a well known Dr in this field whom I've been lucky enough to know for the past 25 years http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Berko_Gleason She knows her stuff!

I hope once this is all out in the open that we do not try to interfer and let them be.

Edited April 13, 2011 by Bigfoot Proof

[Guest Cervelo]

So after we acknowledge their exsitence they are just going to step forward and let all that stuff happen. I am being sarcastic I know but I'm sure you get my point. We can't even get a decent picture. If it comes back human DNA unless theres some great back up all ya got is some human DNA found back in the woods thats not going to cut it IMO but I guess we shall see soon enough......I hope!