Erickson Project

[Guest]

Is some sort of co-operation/ link between Paulides and Erikson with regard to the release of DNA information (or more?)

As of last October 31st, Adrian said he'd never spoken to, or met Dave when he called in to BigfootBusters radio, although he did say they both had samples in with Dr. Ketchum at that time. I'd say that's the only connection. They could've talked or met since then, but I'd say Dave had nothing to do with Erickson's initial investigation.

It was quite refreshing to hear the folks involved in submitting DNA samples complimenting each other's work and cooperating. Let's not forget that it was the Olympic Project's unique samples that seemed to push this over the edge for Dr. Ketchum. Teamwork! I love it!

Edited by Efrum for having sausage fingers

Edited April 18, 2011 by Efrum

[Guest]

thanks for the clarification Efrum.

Sounds like bigfoot researchers are hugging each other all over the place, or at least will be doing so come 'late spring'....

[Guest ajciani]

I have no news on the release date at this time, sorry. As you all know, release will coincide with the publication of the white paper. I will be one of the first to know and will inform you when I am able.

You wouldn't happen to know the current status of the paper? (e.g. being written, submitted, in review, addressing review, in revision, accepted, etc.)

[Guest believer]

I truly appreciate the effort that has been put into all of this. "Boots on the ground" made this happen and history will be made.

BRAVO ZULU! HOOAH! (military for way to go)

[Guest]

Let's not forget that it was the Olympic Project's unique samples that seemed to push this over the edge for Dr. Ketchum.

Hey Efrum,

I have been follow the Erickson Project as well as the Olympic Project & Dr. ketchum very closely for some time but I do not recall hearing the above. Can you please share where that information came from? I know that they were involved but can't believe I missed that little piece of info of them pushing the research over the edge.

Cheers,

Polypodium

[Xion Comrade]

Here's a worthwhile perspective to read on a piece of the DNA process and Dr. Ketchum's involvement. The nitty gritty begins below the Track Record references. Some people too quickly underestimated Paulides in organization and in what he would accomplish IMHO.

Link

Yes the best researchers are under the radar/horribly underrated. I personally thing the AARF and the NABFS(Robert Morgan's group and David Paulides+crew) to be the two real go-to groups on the actual critters, Paulides and Morgan posses a tremendous amount of knowledge on the subject, walking goldmines. Probably the most knowledgeable of all of the big name researchers imho. What is more amazing, even though Morgan has been at it for what? 40-50+ years mostly under the radar, Paulides has accumulated most all of his knowledge within just a few years. I am still looking for Morgan's Artist First material and AARF Show material, stuff is hard to track down but tons of good listening. Be awesome to get Paulides in on more shows.

Possibly the people that know the most in that area are probably just some normal every day farmers and such that never mentioned a word of the critters to much of anyone, maybe never even gave much of a care. Interesting thought one way or the other don't ya think?! Hell it is amazing the information and experiences passed across the net amongst the people/hobbyists/whatever O.o

Edited April 19, 2011 by Xion Comrade

[Guest]

Let's not forget that it was the Olympic Project's unique samples that seemed to push this over the edge for Dr. Ketchum.

Hey Efrum,

I have been follow the Erickson Project as well as the Olympic Project & Dr. ketchum very closely for some time but I do not recall hearing the above. Can you please share where that information came from? I know that they were involved but can't believe I missed that little piece of info of them pushing the research over the edge.

Cheers,

Polypodium

Hey Polypodium! Cheers back to you!

The over the edge quote is my opinion, hence the "seemed" part. I should've made that a bit clearer. Here's how I arrived at that.

The Olympic Project provided Dr. Ketchum with samples (my speculation is something like bone or tissue), and a lot of it. They can't say what they are, other than they're "very unique" samples, and they provided enough of it to repeat the DNA results for years to come. It was this that lead me to the "over the edge" opinion.

We know Dr. Ketchum had samples that proved the science was there, but each test pretty much destoyed the source sample entirely, or left very little to work with again. It's my understanding that without repeatable results that any scientist can duplicate, peer review won't pass. I think the large quantity of Derek and Rich's samples provided just that, therefore knocking it out of the park, so to speak.

Some of the info is here:

Derek and Rich answered some questions we had, as best they could under the NDA.

There's also an interview with Derek on BigfootBusters from Nov 14th of last year that provided a little info.

Hope this helps!

[Guest]

I have no news on the release date at this time, sorry. As you all know, release will coincide with the publication of the white paper. I will be one of the first to know and will inform you when I am able.

Sasky, Is this killing you not being able to share this news? I strongly suspect that you are aware of *preliminary* results, and are having to *hold* *on* until the big review happens. I'm sure that BF exists. I just do not know which branch of the human/ape tree BF will land on.

Can they really be human, or are they the deceased Neanderthals, but not so DECEASED? If they were truly human, would they not be heard talking instead of the strange sounds recorded that I have heard?

I'm beginning to believe that they are *other*, something that is between the Human and Ape species.They are a new undiscovered species, but they may have been recorded as extinct! Who knows?

My dad always said that the BF bones were in museums around the world, but the museums did not realize what they had. My father was a really great guy, I miss him to this day..

Hey Polypodium! Cheers back to you!

The over the edge quote is my opinion, hence the "seemed" part. I should've made that a bit clearer. Here's how I arrived at that.

The Olympic Project provided Dr. Ketchum with samples (my speculation is something like bone or tissue), and a lot of it. They can't say what they are, other than they're "very unique" samples, and they provided enough of it to repeat the DNA results for years to come. It was this that lead me to the "over the edge" opinion.

We know Dr. Ketchum had samples that proved the science was there, but each test pretty much destoyed the source sample entirely, or left very little to work with again. It's my understanding that without repeatable results that any scientist can duplicate, peer review won't pass. I think the large quantity of Derek and Rich's samples provided just that, therefore knocking it out of the park, so to speak.

Some of the info is here:

http://bigfootforums...lympic-project/

Derek and Rich answered some questions we had, as best they could under the NDA.

There's also an interview with Derek on BigfootBusters from Nov 14th of last year that provided a little info.

Hope this helps!

OMG, They must *HAVE* a body, or the corpse of a child.

That is the only way they could be doing this. They needed a LOT of material to perform these tests!

The more I read about the upcoming revelations the more that I am convinced that they have a body of a BF, perhaps a child, or an unburied corpse of an adult.

How else can anyone say definitely that there is a new species?

Obviously they need lots of specimens. BF do not hang around while you draw blood.

I believe that the Erickson Project has a corpse. Perhaps the Olympic group has it?

Okay, All of our scientists tell me if I'm wrong? Believers Only Please.

I'm well beyond discussing the reality of this species.I know it exists.

I need to know if enough evidence can be gather w/o a body?

[gigantor]

Okay, All of our scientists tell me if I'm wrong? Believers Only Please.

That's a tall order Susi.

[Ronnie Bass]

It would be sooooo hard to keep that secret underwraps.

[Guest]

To Gigantor and Ronnie Bass

Thank you guys for your responses. I know that people can and do keep secrets when necessary.

My soldier son tells me *nothing* because he does not want me to worry. Like *that* would stop a mother from worrying.

Guys, The more that I read about this big reveal, to actually have enough evidence to obtain a genuine species recognition, IMVHO, would require a specimen.

Perhaps not an entire body, but nonetheless, definite evidence plus the blood and feces available is needed.

This is a huge deal.

These people are keeping quiet because they have high standards, and are valued members of the scientific community.

Also, They each *signed* a nondisclosure form.

Breaking that NDC *would* ruin and destroy any future careers in this area, if not in anything but washing cars..

Scientists have to trust each other,and breaking a NDC clause is serious business indeed.

Like no future in whatever field that they *were* in..

[Guest believer]

A corpse brings on a whole new set of rules. Depending on where it was found, law enforcement jurisdictions may apply.

Because who signs off on what,where, how, etc related to what it is when it was found. I have a hundred scenarios in my head.

Once this gets rolling and the NDA's come down, I feel the evidence will be overwhelming.

[Xion Comrade]

To Gigantor and Ronnie Bass

Thank you guys for your responses. I know that people can and do keep secrets when necessary.

My soldier son tells me *nothing* because he does not want me to worry. Like *that* would stop a mother from worrying.

Guys, The more that I read about this big reveal, to actually have enough evidence to obtain a genuine species recognition, IMVHO, would require a specimen.

Perhaps not an entire body, but nonetheless, definite evidence plus the blood and feces available is needed.

This is a huge deal.

These people are keeping quiet because they have high standards, and are valued members of the scientific community.

Also, They each *signed* a nondisclosure form.

Breaking that NDC *would* ruin and destroy any future careers in this area, if not in anything but washing cars..

Scientists have to trust each other,and breaking a NDC clause is serious business indeed.

Like no future in whatever field that they *were* in..

Hairs and DNA are more than enough to prove any species beyond a reasonable doubt, the problem is apparently that the DNA is so like our own intense amounts of researching details has to be done to differentiate it from our own population, and all they have to work with has been said to be mitochondrial...The hairs are to much like some other animals, IE goats, to just run around screaming you have definitive proof. Neither can be faked or hoaxed, we just don't have tweezers that small XD But misidentifications can happen, and translating just what the evidence actually says is a huge huge task...I would imagine it would be like counting stars...That is what I have gathered so far. DNA and Hair are a slow road to proving it, and a body is the fast track. So no they, or anyone else, do not NEED a body to do what they want to do, but it would be instantaneous in-your-face undeniable proof, where as DNA and hair take forever to get to that level. I think the combination of legit high definition footage released with a legitimate research paper on actual DNA will be far more than enough to prove them beyond a reasonable doubt. There is already enough crap floating around right now to blow away most any doubt about their existence, all that remains are a few huge arguments and thousands of ridiculous conspiracy theories now.

Good questions like what are they(Probably the biggest one right now IMHO)? How many are they? If they are, as the evidence says to me, in good enough numbers to put a few in every state, how in heck have they avoided us on such a huge scale? Big questions like that. The biggest task once the workers get involved here is separating what is fact from fiction. I would say that most of what is floating around is based on or IS fact, and that most of the fiction is easy to spot(Crap that is just to convenient or good to be true). I would also say that most all of the sightings filtered through the organizations are not bear Mis-ids, as this is a crappy and weak argument against the phenomena that just makes me face-palm tbh >.< I would say that most are not hoaxes, but plenty are. Maybe like 80-85% true, 1-2% mis-id, rest hoaxed. Hoaxing includes fabrications made by the organizations to boost popularity, and I know for sure that some of the bigger ones are guilty in a number of ways. keep in mind this is just about the 10K+ filtered and put through the Internet communities(Bfro, BFF, GBFRO, etc...)

And I agree honesty is everything, and it is something that if lacking at all is lacking to much! This IS the biggest deal in Anthropology(assuming they are related to us) ever, tbh you could lump together all of the previous finds in that field together, and it still would not be quite this monumental the way I see it.

[Ronnie Bass]

Susiq2, my uncle served in the Air Force for over 20 years and in worked in many sensitive areas and I knew little about it, so it's true people can hold secrets when necessary but he like your son I'm sure have been conditioned to keep things classified. But we are not talking military or government officials here.

And as a believer nothing would make me happier than you be correct in your assertion, but I just have a very hard time believing that someone has had the Holy Grail of Bigfootry and we haven't even heard a whisper of this.

But if they did have a body of a Bigfoot or even just bones they would be absolutely going the right way with this code of silence till they finish their study.

[southernyahoo]

Sasky, Is this killing you not being able to share this news? I strongly suspect that you are aware of *preliminary* results, and are having to *hold* *on* until the big review happens. I'm sure that BF exists. I just do not know which branch of the human/ape tree BF will land on.

Can they really be human, or are they the deceased Neanderthals, but not so DECEASED? If they were truly human, would they not be heard talking instead of the strange sounds recorded that I have heard?

I'm beginning to believe that they are *other*, something that is between the Human and Ape species.They are a new undiscovered species, but they may have been recorded as extinct! Who knows?

My dad always said that the BF bones were in museums around the world, but the museums did not realize what they had. My father was a really great guy, I miss him to this day..

OMG, They must *HAVE* a body, or the corpse of a child.

That is the only way they could be doing this. They needed a LOT of material to perform these tests!

The more I read about the upcoming revelations the more that I am convinced that they have a body of a BF, perhaps a child, or an unburied corpse of an adult.

How else can anyone say definitely that there is a new species?

Obviously they need lots of specimens. BF do not hang around while you draw blood.

I believe that the Erickson Project has a corpse. Perhaps the Olympic group has it?

Okay, All of our scientists tell me if I'm wrong? Believers Only Please.

I'm well beyond discussing the reality of this species.I know it exists.

I need to know if enough evidence can be gather w/o a body?

Susie, about all I could say right now is that the DNA will show many of us what we've expected for some time. If you simply add up the evidence to date with the details in the tracks, the morphology of the hair samples described by Fharenbach plus some that don't fit his criteria , the way Patty looks and walks, the vocalizations both the howls and the speech like the Sierra Sounds. The answer is right there.

BTW I have a sample in the study as well.