Bigfoot myth or monster?

[georgerm]

12 hours ago, MIB said:

 

Well, yes, but I also have "but but but" perspectives on these .. as you'd expect.

 

I remember something Thom Powell wrote .. he said thing guerilla, not gorilla.   I talked to him about that at the Richland conference more than a decade ago.   His notion is there's a difference between a merely shy animal and something that goes to great, planned, deliberate ends to avoid us.    That lemur is an animal, not a kind of person.    In that context, comparing the two situations is not really apples to apples.   

 

Regarding coverup .. again, I haven't seen any signs of it despite a lot of interaction with both government officials and working in academia myself.   So far as academic suicide, 'tis true the faculty at Idaho State tried to take Meldrum's tenur .. that's basically attempting to take away his retirement as well as his professional standing, so it is a real thing, but it is academia itself, not government, and it isn't being done under threat, it is done because his peers perceived his actions as making them look foolish by association with him.   

 

Mass delusion ... is a thing I've considered.   The question is .. as I frame it .. is it possible there is something genetically broken in every human that causes us to have the same hallucination?   It has to be something every single one of us has, genetically, not just an occasional twitch, because it manifests essentially identically in every person that has it happen.    It crosses cultures, it crosses centuries, it crosses oceans .. yet the symptoms, the "hallucination" itself, remains essentially fixed.   This can only be genetic wiring if it is mass hallucination.    That also doesn't account for tracks, for audio recordings, etc.   Plaster does not hallucinate.   Audio equipment does not hallucinate.   So .. possible but not very probable.

 

The mass delusion that big government is always right is a fact that we depend on ...............remember Dr. Fauci?  The Navy, Forest Service, and State Police are part of big government that we need to find truth in.  It's not unreal or a hallucination but a firm reality that big government is not always right. We believe that when big government tells us that bigfoot is a mythical creature. We are supposed to agree with this premise or statement. This means big government ........ the forest service won't spend a dime on researching and writing reports about this mythical creature. How many bigfoot reports are written by senior forest service officials that you can find on the forest service's publications or in the newspaper? 

 

Big government's top wildlife biologist must believe all the eyewitnesses on BFRO are mistaken or even more insulative........ crack pots to be ridiculed. Find one BFRO report by a top forest service official or university professor that describes his or her sighting of bigfoot in all the BFRO reports. Jeff Meldrum is the exception, and the big college government tried to take him down. What would happen if forest service employees who spend 4 hours a day driving forest service roads and going to and from official duties wrote articles about bigfoot and make claims to have seen one. Chances are many have seen bigfoot. Research and find out how many bigfoot sightings are written about by forest service employees such as wildlife biologist or even your average worker. They know this is a career ender that would be bad like a hallucination as MIB puts it. However, it's real and not a hallucination or a figment of the imagination. 

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[georgerm]

10 hours ago, xspider1 said:

 

I agree 100% that eye-witness experience is very, very relevant.  The only other evidence I see approaching eye-witness testimony, so far, are footprints (very prevalent), vocalizations and convincing images (scarce).  

 

Read back a few posts about DNA. What do you think about this evidence?

[MIB]

10 hours ago, xspider1 said:

they are beyond our current Scientific paradigms.  That is: we do not have methods in place to even understand what they are which, significantly hampers our ability to find and classify them. 

 

There is another possible angle to that which goes back to what I was trying to say about "animal vs person" ... essentially self-aware and planning vs just reacting to natural conditions.   That angle is willful deception .. deliberate actions meant to direct our attention somewhere they are not and at something they are not so that we are chasing what we imagine bigfoot to be rather than what bigfoot is.   As long as we are looking for the wrong thing in the wrong place we're not going to be too successful finding it.     And, since we are exactly not too successful finding it, I think we should consider deliberate misdirection more seriously.

 

Just.  My.  Opinion.    (Of course.)    I don't think we should stop following whatever leads we get but I think we should consider, as we do that, whether we've been "had" yet again.

[MIB]

43 minutes ago, georgerm said:

It's not unreal or a hallucination but a firm reality that big government is not always right.

 

Hallucination is not the correct word for what you are describing.   Neither is delusion.    Correct use of words is important in communication.   

 

What I was trying to get at, regarding bigfoot, is if we are all having delusions, how can they be biologically consistent delusions .. we all describe some 7-10 foot hairy somewhat human-like biped.   Nobody is seeing 7 legged pink octopii in the woods.   Almost nobody is reporting fairies and when they do, they don't call them bigfoot.    Whatever is happening, if it is not real, it is still SHARED, something wired into every human consistently across time, culture, etc.   It has to be in our biology, something so deep we all have it, exactly alike, regardless of our geographic, racial, etc history.   The words we've used changed as our vocabulary, our culture, change over centuries, but the thing we are describing has not.    That means something very specific.

[georgerm]

56 minutes ago, MIB said:

 

That angle is willful deception .. deliberate actions meant to direct our attention somewhere they are not and at something they are not so that we are chasing what we imagine bigfoot to be rather than what bigfoot is.   As long as we are looking for the wrong thing in the wrong place we're not going to be too successful finding it.     And, since we are exactly not too successful finding it, I think we should consider deliberate misdirection more seriously.

 

 

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Very well put MIB and I believe you had a bigfoot sighting. This is why we don't see bigfoot. We are looking for the right thing in the wrong place. I've had this friend for over 50 years, and he has been an Alaska hunting guide and a bush pilot. Like me he is old at eighty years and has been living on an Indian reservation in northern Idaho and is now scouting for Elk every day. He is at the right place at the right time, and he told me last night that on two scouting occasions in the high timbered mountains on two occasions, he has seen a bigfoot. He is skookum and is in the right place at the right time. Skookum is an Indian word for woods wise. 

[Huntster]

19 hours ago, norseman said:

.........1) Either academia is grossly negligent. (At least in North America) Because they can certainly discover a pocket Lemur in Madagascar! But cannot find a 800 lbs primate in the Cascades!
 

2) There is a government cover up. In which case science will never officially discover Bigfoot ever. Because attempting to do so is academic suicide.

 

3) Or this is some mass delusion of the human population.

I suggest all three options are occurring.

[Huntster]

3 hours ago, georgerm said:

Read back a few posts about DNA. What do you think about this evidence?

DNA always cones back as:

 

1) Contaminated

2) Bear, dog, bison, aardvark, or some other boringly known creature

3) or "human", and almost NEVER stated as "Homo sapien"

[georgerm]

19 minutes ago, Huntster said:

DNA always cones back as:

 

1) Contaminated

2) Bear, dog, bison, aardvark, or some other boringly known creature

3) or "human", and almost NEVER stated as "Homo sapien"

Bigfoot DNA has to be different from human DNA since we homo sapiens have a unique genetic code. As far as I know we have never found bigfoot DNA that has to be way different from human or homo sapien DNA. The biopsy dart as Norseman brought up might be the only quick way to get bigfoot's DNA unless I'm mistaken. We need the DNA experts to chime in. 

 

"Homo sapiens occupies a unique position in the history of life, representing the sole surviving species of a once diverse genus. Unlike chimpanzees, which have a close living cousin in the bonobo, or elephants, which include multiple extant species, humanity stands alone in the biological landscape. This singular status is a recent phenomenon in evolutionary terms, posing a profound question about how our species, which emerged relatively late, managed to outlast all its close relatives." internet search. Does this mean bigfoot is not a homo sapien?

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