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ShadowBorn
42 minutes ago, WSA said:

Rising Star cave is that they were deliberately placed there after their death

How do we know that they were deliberately placed there? when there are two crawl places that cannot fit two people. To be able to drag a dead person is a lot of work for a single person with no rope. But like you said " hominids are sneaky".

 

If we ever do find any of these creatures bones it will be by accident and it will be in some remote area that has not been explored yet. But then again who knows since they have found a mammoth in Michigan : http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/nature/mammoth-discovery-could-revise-earliest-date-of-humans-in-the-americas/ So the possibilities of finding these creatures bones is not impossible.

 

Maybe when they die they go to a place where they hide their bodies and die rather then the group getting rid of the body. This could be the reason why it is difficult to find evidence of their death. That when they are at that stage of dying they make the trip of going deep into the mountains of only where they choose to die. I say this since they might be close to us and if they are we have to think of how we might act in the wild. If we had no understanding of what we know now how would we act as humans in a animal state. We do not know since we live with all the luxury and the intelligence that has been given us. They live wild we do not so they live in a savage world where we live in a civilized world. Again this is my opinion .

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WSA

ShadowBorn:  Well, logical question, but the answer is simply, "Because that is what the evidence (so far) tells us." 

 

Berger didn't want to come to that conclusion, but after ruling out all other possibilities, he was forced to make that is working hypothesis. As for ropes? It might be possible. No artifacts have been discovered in proximity to naledi remains, and cordage would not have survived, but you can't rule it out. It is also one of the major behavioral attributes of the genus Homo, and along with the morphologic markers, it was one of the stated reasons for classifying it as they did. 

 

All you can really say for sure is neither animals or floods brought those remains to where they were, nor is their evidence the individuals died naturally there in those chambers, or were killed violently by others after walking there  (at least not so as to leave a telltale mark on the bones).  

 

Voluntary human sacrifice, with slow death by starvation/thirst? I suppose that might be still a possible explanation, but would be truly astounding if that were really the case.  

 

The individuals were identified as some very young, and at least one very old (late 30's). This seems to indicate these were individuals in a population you might expect to succumb to death from natural causes, or be vulnerable to  mishap.  Again though, no signs of trauma found so far.

 

The lack of tool marks or predator trauma makes it highly unlikely the flesh was removed first or that predators stripped the flesh before just the bones were later collected and deposited.  So, you are left with just this one conclusion. For now.

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WSA

Good points Randy. Plussed.

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Patterson-Gimlin

I agree and that was a well written thought out post. Gets my plus as well 

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