Things That Dont Make Sense About Bigfoot

[Xion Comrade]

Oh for the love of all that's holy, not another PGF thread, please. I can't stand them, they make my eyes roll up in my head with boredom.

Yeah and it is, to me, the weakest of all of the evidence that is attributed to the phenomena. Kind of funny to me that it gets talked about so much.

I have one though, Things that don't make sense about bigfoot - Why do we have to kill one? Why does anyone even care if they are discovered or not, noone knows whether or not it would help them or be the end of them, one way is as likely as the other. Did one kill your dog or something?

[Guest Strick]

1. Exactly. Bears tend to run up trees long before people get near them around here. I know a guy who has hiked 14,000 miles in the smoky mountain's. He retired around age 50 and was in his late 70s, did free work for the park. If I remember right he was almost always alone because he, like most 50+ men, hiked the crap out of the younger people who simply cannot keep up. He had apparently never seen a black bear their, even though that is the densest area for them in the USA if I am not mistaken. They are also "People Friendly" compared to wilder ones. I have talked to many many thru hikers along the Appalachian trail, not one of them has ever seen one.

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This is simply just not the case. I hiked the Appalachian Trail in 2004 and saw 12 bears. In 2009 I thruhiked the Pacific Crest Trail and saw 10. On the AT, all of these bears were located in either the Shenandoah National Park or New Jersey, with the single exception of a bear raiding the dumpsters behind the Mount Washington Hotel in Maine, though this is not strictly on the trail. Almost all AT thruhikers see bears.

I just don't believe that your acquaintance hiked 14,000 miles in the Smokies and saw no bears, was he blind? As you suggest, they're thick on the ground there. In fact, it's the only part of the AT where many of the shelters are fenced in, though I've heard some of these fences have now been removed. Personally, I saw no bears in the Smokies, but spoke to those who did, even though it was late March when I was there, the place was knee-deep in snow and the animals were officially still inactive.

Not having a go at yer, Xion Comrade, just adding a little correction gained from many, many nights on the long trails in the USA.

[Guest]

Yeah and it is, to me, the weakest of all of the evidence that is attributed to the phenomena. Kind of funny to me that it gets talked about so much.

I have one though, Things that don't make sense about bigfoot - Why do we have to kill one? Why does anyone even care if they are discovered or not, noone knows whether or not it would help them or be the end of them, one way is as likely as the other. Did one kill your dog or something?

I think you have me confused with someone else XC, pro-kill is not my stance at all and I'm a cat person. I don't think anyone will ever accept their existence without a body but I am not interested in them being officially discovered.

[Guest]

Yes, but even if one is to accept this mantra that bigfoots have an uncanny ability to detect and for some reason avoid game cameras, that doesn't address Cisco's comment about bigfoots not avoiding things that really could pose a threat to them, such as cars, human dwellings, etc. This isn't something that doesn't make sense about bigfoot, it's something that doesn't

make sense about bigfooters. How can we at one moment claim bigfoot's amazing ability to detect and avoid every camera but accept as credible accounts of bigfoots hanging around humans?

My guess, which is all it is at this point, is that the species is careful. I think they choose where to go and when. If they have conflicts my guess is they do not continue the behavior that put them in that situation. I do not think they hang around any humans except ones that they deem as fitting. How often do they show themselves when they are in the vicinity ? How many people have them around and do not even know this ? How could you without an observation which still might be someone in a suit ? I doubt they avoid cameras in all instances. But I do not think they make a regular appearance producing images and I think the majority of images of them are partials often out of focus, over exposed, etc. Why that is I do not know. Cautious maybe. They are either real or not. If they are they have some behavioral aspects that seem repeated in different locations of their range. Why there is no body has been discussed. One would think there would be better fieldsign regarding them but we have what we have. That often seems to be very little or nothing... which doesnt make sense lol. The reliability of what appears to be good reports that promote those repeated behaviors often seems like it cant make sense either.. I noted one researcher who made the comment.. On Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday, I really believe in bigfoot. On Thursday, Friday and Saturday, I do not. On Sunday, I take the day off.

[Xion Comrade]

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This is simply just not the case. I hiked the Appalachian Trail in 2004 and saw 12 bears. In 2009 I thruhiked the Pacific Crest Trail and saw 10. On the AT, all of these bears were located in either the Shenandoah National Park or New Jersey, with the single exception of a bear raiding the dumpsters behind the Mount Washington Hotel in Maine, though this is not strictly on the trail. Almost all AT thruhikers see bears.

I just don't believe that your acquaintance hiked 14,000 miles in the Smokies and saw no bears, was he blind? As you suggest, they're thick on the ground there. In fact, it's the only part of the AT where many of the shelters are fenced in, though I've heard some of these fences have now been removed. Personally, I saw no bears in the Smokies, but spoke to those who did, even though it was late March when I was there, the place was knee-deep in snow and the animals were officially still inactive.

Not having a go at yer, Xion Comrade, just adding a little correction gained from many, many nights on the long trails in the USA.

Oh I know, I appreciate any comment towards me, I learn something knew every day, and every day I learn something new is a damned good day!

I had a buddy who used to work at the park, said that by one of the facilities he saw a momma bear with its cubs just wondering around in the same manner a deer does. I guess the man that accumulated 14k wasn't looking for bear. I guess it's sort of like bigfoot, typically if you aren't keeping a eye out for em, you won't see em O.o

Most hikers I have noticed rarely if ever look up, constantly looking at where they are stepping, for good reason of course! Pretty easy for a wood-wise animal to avoid.

But to just see 12 for that amount of time to be in the woods has to amount to something O.o

I think you have me confused with someone else XC, pro-kill is not my stance at all and I'm a cat person. I don't think anyone will ever accept their existence without a body but I am not interested in them being officially discovered.

Oh no I am sorry Jodie XD That question was just to stay on topic, just a question for everyone!

Edited January 24, 2011 by Xion Comrade

[kitakaze]

Most hikers I have noticed rarely if ever look up, constantly looking at where they are stepping, for good reason of course! Pretty easy for a wood-wise animal to avoid.

[Xion Comrade]

Ohh nice! I never thought about bird watchers for some reason O.o Regardless, most, and I mean by a large margin, that are in the woods are hiking. Bird watchers are a rarity around here anyway! Great hobby though for sure, and a skill that is a huge help to us bigfooters. And to tell you the truth, I have only read a handful of sightings that involved birdwatching. Figures though, I won't and probably don't need to speculate here as to why birdwatchers wouldn't necessarily see a Sasquatch. Dead again I can think of several big huge reasons a avid birdwatcher would do great in the field/would have a much higher chance of an encounter than someone who wasn't!

Very good stuff Kitakaze!

Edited January 25, 2011 by Xion Comrade

[Guest]

Another thing I find interesting about Bigfoot is when it might give us some fieldsign that actually holds up ... such as the

skookum cast which has been investigated by prominent scientists ... how this can quickly become a point of both uselessness or

a laughable situation.. to some? The folks that laugh the loudest.. am I to take it that they know more about the evidence than the specialists that took the time to review it in conference ? That makes less sense to me than the idea of sasquatches in the first place. Particularly since there were other variables on location such as unidentified vocalizations that made a strong case for the presence of something large and powerful.

Edited January 25, 2011 by treeknocker

[Xion Comrade]

Another thing I find interesting about Bigfoot is when it might give us some fieldsign that actually holds up ... such as the

skookum cast which has been investigated by prominent scientists ... how this can quickly become a point of both uselessness or

a laughable situation.. to some? The folks that laugh the loudest.. am I to take it that they know more about the evidence than the specialists that took the time to review it in conference ? That makes less sense to me than the idea of sasquatches in the first place. Particularly since there were other variables on location such as unidentified vocalizations that made a strong case for the presence of something large and powerful.

People DO NOT want to believe the facts, and the facts are that these things are real and found in several regions. I don't understand it at all either. People have been convicted of murder on less evidence than we have for the Sasquatch. The Giant Chimpanzee discovery was set off merely by native tales to my knowledge, the researchers took what the natives said and went into the woods forever and then some and sure enough, discovery! Has happened with several other species also. Well we have had our natives, which are far greater in number and far more diverse, tell us the same thing. Guess what! Spit in face!

[Guest ThePattyArcade]

Something I don't understand- even if Bigfoot is living a nomadic lifestyle -i.e constantly on the move from place to place- it has to stop and rest somewhere and sometimes.

- If, for example, they're living in caves in the mountains, why haven't these caves been discovered? Have remains ever been found in caves that could be attributed to Bigfoot? (scat for example) If they are living in groups then this holds especially true (a group of Bigfoot are going to leave a bigger mess than a single one)

- If they don't live in caves, where do they sleep? Nests in trees? The forest floor?

Has anyone ever seen a sleeping Bigfoot?

I don't know if this has been mentioned before. If it has, I apologize for that.

[Guest]

Hey TPA, two books that both refer to this are Dr. John Bindernagel North Americas Great Ape The Sasquatch and Dr. Robert Alley, Raincoast Sasquatch. Bindernagel had a reference to a couple who found a female sasquatch sitting in her nest bed in the bottom of a mine shaft, that freaked out the observers who left immediately. They came back later to note fresh vegetation laid on the nest bed. In RC SasQ Alley has a report of a guy in Alaska who went into the back end of a cave and saw through an opening the side of a head of a big sasquatch sleeping. He immediately left. I would recommend both books, there is a lot to be gained. One of the things that do not make sense to me is if people/researchers are seriously interested in this subject matter, if they have the resources, how can they say they have not read these books ? LOL (I understand not everyone is aware of them, etc. we all have things to do and time can be fleeting. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED.) John Green is recommended for a host of reports across the country and the board.... his best is Sasquatch Apes Among Us... if I see reports I can refer you to I will make note of that.

Edited February 2, 2011 by treeknocker

[Guest]

Yes Patty they have found sleeping ones.

See BFRO.net Oscoda Co, Michigan report #25031 Oct 2008.

Interesting huh!

[Guest ChrisBFRPKY]

The black colored hair/fur creatures I've seen have a shiny quality to their coat. When in the brush it appears to have a greenish hue to the hair/fur of the creatures. I think that hue may be a reflection of the surrounding foilage. Very neat little trick if you're hiding in the foilage. Chris B.

[Xion Comrade]

Something I don't understand- even if Bigfoot is living a nomadic lifestyle -i.e constantly on the move from place to place- it has to stop and rest somewhere and sometimes.

- If, for example, they're living in caves in the mountains, why haven't these caves been discovered? Have remains ever been found in caves that could be attributed to Bigfoot? (scat for example) If they are living in groups then this holds especially true (a group of Bigfoot are going to leave a bigger mess than a single one)

- If they don't live in caves, where do they sleep? Nests in trees? The forest floor?

Has anyone ever seen a sleeping Bigfoot?

I don't know if this has been mentioned before. If it has, I apologize for that.

It is a great question really! At one point in times I had gathered that they actually GENERALLY avoided caves all together, and it was told(Maybe by some native tribes) that they do so to avoid being cornered/caught in a bad situation. Most all of the time when one is either filmed sleeping(as has been claimed in the Erickson Project), reported sleeping, or what have you(Even bedding areas) it is just right smack dab in the middle of nowhere, sometimes near a creek or a river, and in the thickest of brush/safest of areas. I would say though, that most all people even the biggest wood goers stay right the hell away from caves whenever possible. They are a breeding ground for predators and pain. I would also say that most caves are "undiscovered", as one would only need be the size of a big truck if that to shelter a Sasquatch family comfortably.

And to note, I really really would not freaking want to run up on one while it was sleeping, I think that would be the only situation I personally could get into with one where I may very well be killed no exceptions! You know how some people are, especially war/law enforcement veterans, when they are awakened. It is a very similar mentality for a Sasquatch. Constant chance of death, constant fear, constant danger. The stresses would have to be enormous on them. Can only imagine what they would think if the one most dangerous thing on earth for them had "Snuck" up on 'em while they were sleeping, by accident or not. Your intentions would mean **** at that moment, and the reaction would have to be immediate. I would rather be asleep when a predator comes around, than be coming around when one is asleep, for **** sure!

[Xion Comrade]

The black colored hair/fur creatures I've seen have a shiny quality to their coat. When in the brush it appears to have a greenish hue to the hair/fur of the creatures. I think that hue may be a reflection of the surrounding foilage. Very neat little trick if you're hiding in the foilage. Chris B.

Awesome! Chris it has been 2 years since I came across any information such as this, it was mentioned early on when I was studying this subject, and here it is again!!! Some people scoff and spit at the native lore, stating that the Sasquatch had some chameleon properties, as though the hair would take on the color of the surroundings to a extent. Who is deserving the spitting and scoffing? I urge people to be open minded on this subject, most people don't think they are even real, and not long ago the general belief among the field was that they were only concentrated around the PNW. We know this to be total bunk now. Alot of assumption and beliefs of today, in particular the ones met with "Where's your proof, that is to far fetched, BS" will be better known in the future. You would be surprised at how little lore and account given information is actually BS...