Missing 411

[bipedalist]

I like this hypothesis allegedly contained within the 411 book as referenced on another thread.

Or, this one .....

Edited April 29, 2012 by bipedalist

[Guest Strick]

Does anyone know how specific Paulides is in reference to the 'wormhole' theory? Are we putting words into his mouth or extrapolating solutions that are not there in the text?

I had thought that Paulides was playing down the Bigfoot angle in the podcasts I've heard because he wanted to broaden his audience and perhaps break into the true crime market.

However, if he is truly explicit in advocating the wormhole/gap in the space/time continuum hypothesis, then he can kiss goodbye to the mainstream and most niche Bigfooters as well...

[Guest poignant]

Better late than never, I listened to the AM Coast to Coast interview with George Knapp on YouTube last night and had trouble sleeping after. Some of the stories are just downright heartbreaking and the cover-up utterly despicable.

The incident in the Yukon where the physician's son, an avid and fit outdoorsman, was supposedly snatched from his hunting blind up in the tree and remains of his small bones found nearby was very very compelling. Toddlers found 1000-2000ft elevation above where they were last seen - yikes.

Assuming the culprits were BF, here's what I took from the interview:

1. SOME BF have a taste for man and are truly opportunistic. This should make us rethink how we should be attempting to research them in the wild and could explain their affinity for children.
   
2. Areas with 'Devil's this' and 'Devil's that' may be worth staking out since the etymology is suggestive of prior incidents - be safe people.
   
3. BF retreat to high elevations.
   
4. We may have an explanation for the foot-in-shoe phenomenon on the shores of Vancouver BC where I live.
   

Time to get the book.

[Guest WIWolfman]

Poignant excellent post! When you get the books remember the names Bart Schleyer, Evelyn Rossman and Charles McCullar. Obviously all of the subjects involved in this book deserve a shout out and have a story behind them, but these three names will stick with you forever because of the tragic implications of sadistic death they experienced. If some Bigfoots indeed are cannibals, this would be an informative start.

[Guest Cervelo]

I find nothing unusually about the NP system not wanting to "advertise" missing persons or keeping track of it in any way.

All of these cases were investigated, searches made bodies found or not.

Not sure why keeping track of it is that big a deal unless of course you've connected a bunch of random dots and reached a conclusion that something mysterious is going on when there's really not.

Dogs stop tracking all the time, kids are capable of covering alot more ground than one would think, people, animals, get snatched up by other people and animals all the time given the opportunity.

Odd stuff happens for sure but to suggest, wormholes, time shifts, Bigfoot kidnappings, fun to talk about for sure and a great way to sell books

[JDL]

Presumably NPS personnel are aware of disturbing activity in their jurisdictions.

Over the years, Paulides hears stories regarding suspicious disappearances in National Parks (that we assume he assumed were bigfoot-related).

Paulides finally decides to investigate a couple of disappearances, is held at arm's distance during his visit, then contacted by an off-duty ranger before he leaves, who relates a troubling account and implies that information is being withheld from him.

Paulides persists and is given the run-around on his FOIA requests. Despite this, he is able to dig up an incomplete data set of disappearances.

The incomplete data set in and of itself is alarming and NPS actions suggest that they do not want the public to become aware of the totality of the situation.

The data set suggests that there are multiple types of predators active in the park system, human and otherwise, and that the visible extent of the problem is only the tip of the iceberg.

On its face it is worth investigating, no matter the cause(s).

[Guest Cervelo]

No iceberg more like an ice cube, nothing but one mans interpetation, conjecture and looking for a boogie man where there is none.

As unfourtunate as theses stories are, just as the NPS states millions go in every year and statistically the vast majority come back.

[Guest operator]

how about being in the wrong place at the wrong time?Pot growers are using public forest in order to grow there crops what if someone stumbled upon a group of "farmers"they sure dont want there crop exposed so someone goes missing.this is just one small example.

[Guest Cervelo]

Absolutely another logical explanation before we leap frog to the black hole time shift

[JDL]

Personally, I believe that human predators are partially to blame. Misadventure and accident as well. I don't go in for wormholes or timeshifts, but having seen and been stalked by bigfoot myself, I'm perfectly ready to accept that some of the disappearances are bigfoot-related.

[Cisco]

If Bigfoot exist, then I fully expect they would nab a person when the opportunity presented itself. No different than a grizzly. In fact, who would even accuse a Bigfoot of being the culprit?

That being said, aside from a rogue Bigfoot, there are plenty of other reasons why people disappear out in the "wild." "Wild" being the key word.....

Edited May 7, 2012 by Cisco

[Guest]

Clearly these kinds of cases you seem to be talking about are not the kinds of cases he chose for the book. The cases in the book (apparently, having only heard interviews, not having read it yet) were unusual and mysterious to a guy who was a police detective. I think you'd really have to address the particular circumstances in the particular cases to make your argument.

[bipedalist]

I think if people will go back and reread Paulides on NABS blog in late Feb. 2012 and early March 2012 it will explain some more too.

Blog 112, 177 and 180 three among them that I think may apply.

Edited May 8, 2012 by bipedalist

[Guest]

how about being in the wrong place at the wrong time?Pot growers are using public forest in order to grow there crops what if someone stumbled upon a group of "farmers"they sure dont want there crop exposed so someone goes missing.this is just one small example.

I've heard this argument before, and really think it's one of the least likely. The worst way to keep a pot grow hidden is to have search and rescue looking for someone in the area. SAR searches are relatively methodical, cover significant ground, rather intensely, quickly and thoroughly and usually last for days or until the person is found. If you want a pot grow found, one of the best ways would be to have law enforcement think someone is lost in the area.

[Guest BFSleuth]

Very good point Ace, having had experience with SAR.

On the other hand, pot growers aren't always the sharpest knives in the drawer....