Bigfoot And Cattle

[Guest]

Now that is just pathetic, I just wish MMM would make like a leaf and get outta here!

[Guest]

Seems unlikely that the "soft" hand of a primate can instantly kill a bovine when evolution has made head-to-head frontal blows part of the breeding process?

I know it's hard to believe but a friends father accidentally killed one of his cows when he got so angry at it that he punched it in the head. One hit and down it went.

[Guest BFSleuth]

I think if BF is capable of twisting 6" diameter trees with its bare hands, then twisting the neck of a cow is within the realm of possibility.

Here's a BFRO sighting report from Beacon Rock, along the Columbia River. Note that the BF walked through and among the cows on the way to the river, and the cows weren't fazed at all. It may be that the cows are habituated to the presence of the BF. By "habituated" in this context I'm only saying that if the BF walk through the cow pasture frequently, then the cows might get used to them. That would mean there is either no attacks or infrequent attacks, or it could possibly mean that there might even be positive interaction on the part of the BF in regard to the cows.

[Explorer]

I went to Meldrum’s book to see what he had to say on the topic of BF eating habits.

See quote below.

“Based on the numerous accounts that mention feeding or carrying food, the sasquatch diet seems to span the wide spectrum of a generalized omnivore. Eyewitnesses have reported everything from roots and berries to deer and elk. The latter would seem to be out of step with the commonly stereotyped image of the vegetarian great ape, but numerous credible eyewitnesses recount seeing Sasquatch dispatch and carry off adult deer as well as fawns.â€

(Source: Sasquatch by Jeff Meldrum, 2006, Forge Books, Chapter 9, p.189)

Based on this and on all the responses to my original post, it appears that the evidence to support the claim that BF hunts/eats deer, elk or even cattle is all based on anecdotal stories and not on forensic analysis of the carcass (whether elk, deer, or cow) or on video/photo evidence (capturing a BF in the act of killing another animal).

If BF is indeed killing/eating cattle, then doing a forensic veterinary examination or necropsy on the dead cow could provide useful information (DNA, method of kill, tools used, etc.). Also, it is much easier to do a necropsy on a dead cow (than on a deer/elk) because killed cattle are usually found and reported much quicker by the rancher and are found near or in a ranch. As opposed to elk/deer carcass found randomly in a wilderness with no knowledge of when the animal died.

Maybe this is a potential future route for collecting new evidence. However, I have no idea how frequent/common are the stories claiming that BF stole/killed a cow or if these stories are true.

[Rockape]

I think if BF is capable of twisting 6" diameter trees with its bare hands, then twisting the neck of a cow is within the realm of possibility.

Here's a BFRO sighting report from Beacon Rock, along the Columbia River. Note that the BF walked through and among the cows on the way to the river, and the cows weren't fazed at all. It may be that the cows are habituated to the presence of the BF. By "habituated" in this context I'm only saying that if the BF walk through the cow pasture frequently, then the cows might get used to them. That would mean there is either no attacks or infrequent attacks, or it could possibly mean that there might even be positive interaction on the part of the BF in regard to the cows.

I don't think a cow is smart enough to know the difference between a human and a BF. And I still think a BF would be hesitant to take on a full grown cow or bull. Flailing hoofs and horns can inflict a severe injury. A calf is another story.

[Guest BFSleuth]

True, they are big and powerful beasts...

[VAfooter]

Found the report about killing the cow. Take it for what it is worth....

http://web.archive.org/web/20100206181821/http://www.spacepub.com/users/data/bigfoot/wyo/wyo.htm

[Spader]

I love how MM seems to know the intermost thoughts of Bigfoot. To us he comes across as a bufoon with his "Bigfoot are known too.......". Unfotunately he has to say crud like that because there are new viewers that week ( as they hope). Kinda like Ghost Hunters explaining what an EMF meter is every week. Anyone with the last name of Moneymaker should avoid any proffesion that requires people to believe you. What a handle to have to live with. But IMHO he gets a bad wrap. He does care about BF, but maybe has been led astray by his monniker.

[Will]

If there is not many reports of missing calves (without a trace) then I'm not sure it happens much. As a cattle farmer, if one of mine goes missing, I know it. If I find a dead one, I want to know what did it.

If it happens we would know about it.

[Guest]

Now if a Brown Bear can knock down, and drag an adult moose, I'd imagine an 8 foot tall, 500-600lb Bigfoot would be quite formidable when it came to hitting power, and the means to possibly break the neck, or one of the legs of full size Bovine.

That being said, like most predators they would probably seek out calves, or younger animals, that would present less of a challenge.

I have it somewhere, but one of my favorite old newspaper clips of Tirademan's, was one in which a man told the story of a Bigfoot/"Wildman" leaping out into the road, and breaking his horse's neck while it was still harnessed to his buggy.

I guess it would depend on the area, and what kind of critters there are around, but I'd imagine that they (BF's) would go after small animals like woodchucks and the like, before risking injury attempting to take down larger stronger prey.

-A-

[Explorer]

Found the report about killing the cow. Take it for what it is worth....

http://web.archive.o...oot/wyo/wyo.htm

Thanks much for the link to the original story.

It is truly bizarre.

Per the story, the local Native Americans did not consider the creature to be a Bigfoot but a Howler.

My understanding is that the Howler creature is another name used for Skinwalker.

Once you open the Skinwalker door, you enter into the realm of the paranormal.

I did not know that the Howler was also reported in Wyoming.

I often visit Utah and Arizona, where Skinwalker and Howler stories are commmon.

But, I never associated them with BF.

If there is not many reports of missing calves (without a trace) then I'm not sure it happens much. As a cattle farmer, if one of mine goes missing, I know it. If I find a dead one, I want to know what did it.

If it happens we would know about it.

Will,

I agree with you.

If cattle ranchers/farmers, who own property next to BF hotspots, are losing cattle or are getting their cattle killed by unknown predators, then they will know it right away and will take action.

We can refer to the "Cattle Mutilation" phenomenon that took place during 1973-1979 in Colorado, Wyoming, New Mexico, etc. where the ranchers were getting alarmed about all their cattle loses and even got the FBI involved.

Back then, the official government investigation got forensic veterinarians involved to do necropsies to learn more about who was doing the killing and how.

While the cattle mutilation phenomenon is not related to BF research, the point is that if BF was killing cattle, then we would have heard about it and somebody should have investigated it.

If BF is not killing cattle, then it begs the question, of why is BF not going after the easy kills?

Edited September 23, 2012 by Explorer

[Rockape]

If there is not many reports of missing calves (without a trace) then I'm not sure it happens much. As a cattle farmer, if one of mine goes missing, I know it. If I find a dead one, I want to know what did it.

If it happens we would know about it.

Agreed. Cattlemen need every head to make money and if they are disappearing they will find out why, even if that means sleeping with the heard with a high powered rifle.

I really don't think it's a concern for them though. The first time a BF ran across a bull, well, 2000 pounds of horns, hoofs and slobber would probably make them think twice about messing with the beef and convince them it's better to go after deer and such.

[Will]

Cattle are also roaming many areas in the high country in our western states. Farmers would know if some are missing, might be a guess but they would know something was up.

Maybe BF just doesn't like the taste. Maybe cows do put up more of a fight than wild deer or elk. Maybe its just to easy for a BF to kill an elk or deer.

[Guest BastetsCat]

Cows are pretty dumb creatures. It depends on the breed though as to how aggressive they tend to be. Most ranches I know of keep a few bulls lots of cow calf pairs and the majority if they are luck are steer or castrated males. High country grazing is not at all like pasture grazing. You turn them out and leave them for the most part to eat...you expect some loses. Mountain lions, bears, coyotes, wolves where you have them. disease and so many other things kill cows.

Most of the cattle raised for meat production in the US are not the mexican fighting bulls like in the video. There are breeds and there are mixes of breeds or mutts of the cow world. Lots of them are pretty docile. Most ranchers that I know wouldn't keep an aggressive mother around for another season...she would get on the bus and be gone destined for a dinner plate somewhere.

I lived for two years next to a ranch surrounded by other ranches. Never in my life have I heard of a cattle rancher complain about BF taking cattle. Though I heard vocalazations often, found footprints, and could hear things run through the yard at night. Even saw things. They didn't seem to care that the cattle were there or not there. They loved to imitate the coyotes and I think that they ate coyotes more than deer. Found lots of yote skulls and deer and elk bones around.

[Guest BFSleuth]

Perhaps they've observed what eating cattle does to humans, hence their avoidance of the same.