dopelyrics Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 (edited) That I do agree with, I was just saying that I don't agree with using Gimlin's quote that it was a possibility as any kind of indication that he believed anything other than he was looking at a real live animal. NiceGuyJohn - take it up with Bob Gimlin then. He's the one that said it. And if he said it but didn't think it, does that mean he wasn't being truthful? For what it's worth, I think he's likely telling the truth. Norseman - that's a great video, hilarious. The gorilla suit is really convincing, even close up. I'll be sure to pay close attention next time I'm at the zoo, just in case! Best regards, Lee Edited February 11, 2013 by dopelyrics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 NJ..I have always had *issues* with habituators like Mr Noel. However, that doesn't discredit his recent statement concerning his *source* confirming Dyer's body. This is the only thing keeping me on the fence. Taking that stance would seem to dangerous if he did not feel strongly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Couple things. #1 - Penske has several locations in San Antonio that rents refrigerated trucks. 30k will dang near buy you one. Someone overspent considerably on a reefer truck. #2 - Norseman - I ran out of plusses plussing your posts - some day I hope to have a drink or two with you. Right on man! #3 - ronn1 - I am disappointed in you brother. With respect. Dyer indicated the truck was rented for a considerable period of time on constant refrigeration...could have been a month or more? As far as disappointments...that's something out of my control. I call it as I see it. For now, I'm convinced Dyer and Musky are telling the truth. I fully respect all those that think otherwise...and I won't be *dissapointed* in them should they turn out to be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Melissa, it's two different situations. Dyer said last night that he emailed(I assume facebook) Meldrum back in September to feel out Meldrum and maybe invite him to see the body early on. All he said to Meldrum though was keep up the good work and because Meldrum didn't respond to that he now hates him. Meldrum contacted Dyer this Saturday so he could clear up what was going on. Dyer read the exchange last night on his show and no reasonable person would take it the way Dyer did. Dyer went on and on and on last night about how much he hates Meldrum now. It was pathetic really and some of his supporters were trashing Meldrum with him. The Musky email is a separate situation, but Dyer is also hating on Meldrum for the way he responded to Musky's statement about emailing him. The train to nowhere... Here's my question, especially to the habituators... You claim they know your intent, avoid detection unless they're sure of who you are, only show themselves when they want to be seen, yet everything about RD's story completely bucks that analysis. Even a habituated BF would be aware of those new to the area, right? They're so smart and avoid trail cams, feel threatened by cameras, yet allow a full camera crew and a man intent on killing them in their area? They just threw caution to the wind and wanted a rib? Wouldn't that make everything you've told us about habituation be proven false then? It's a direct contradiction in behavioral studies by not only those on this board, but every story and documentation of habituation out there. I agree with you on this. Chris was talking about all that last night and even talking about bigfoot having telepathic powers, but then he was saying this bigfoot came into Dyers camp twice and got filmed and shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Well I can't imagine Meldrum speaking up and saying, "wait a minute guys" was real helpful to their cause.. So, of course they would both be upset. I guess now it's about trying to change the discussion. Musky messed up - and now Dyer is trying to re-direct minds away from the big mistake. I figured this would happen. Well JRid, you are braver than I am. I can't listen to his videos or "radio show".. LOL. You deserve a big gold star for sitting through that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest njjohn Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 NJ..I have always had *issues* with habituators like Mr Noel. However, that doesn't discredit his recent statement concerning his *source* confirming Dyer's body. You can't discredit something that has no credit to begin with. A source is someone who told you something. And since you're using Noel as a source with another source that's not identified, it's nothing more than a footnote. It proves nothing. His source could be FB/FB who he cowrote a book with. His source could be Musky. Rumors do not make fact. The burden of proof is on RD, no one else, and he hasn't shown any. And the excuse of NDAs is just to string people along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 (edited) In 2009, RD bashed Loren Coleman for not coming to verify his second body,. http://beta.blogtalkradio.com/bigfoottrackerradio/2009/05/21/rick-dyer-and-matt-whitton-the-bigfoot-hoaxers Around minute 40-50 Edited February 11, 2013 by lhlyda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 NiceGuyJohn - take it up with Bob Gimlin then. He's the one that said it. And if he said it but didn't think it, does that mean he wasn't being truthful? For what it's worth, I think he's likely telling the truth. Norseman - that's a great video, hilarious. The gorilla suit is really convincing, even close up. I'll be sure to pay close attention next time I'm at the zoo, just in case! Best regards, Lee I don't need to take anything up with him. You implied that Gimlin might have doubted the authenticity of the video, which is not the case. Yes, sometimes people say things which are different than what their real feelings are, for semantic reasons. You can see plenty of that in this and other threads here at the BFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Melissa, thanks, but I actually think I deserve a kick to the midsection for subjecting myself to that crap. I've been really sick for awhile so I have been very bored, which has made me get way too into this story. I'm as caught up on this whole thing as anybody. This week we will have the pleasure of hearing FB/FB's report on seeing the body and according to Dyer something big will happen Friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hawk-o Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Has it been confirmed that FB/FB are going to view the body this week??!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VioletX Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 If I have the gist of this FB/FB was having some discussion with Musky and Meldrum was mentioned. That spurred his comment and I think he is writing as if we all were privy to this conversation and can read his mind. I know I do it all the time, reading over something I have typed that I realize was mis-leading and incomplete and having to re-type. Maybe no one else has to edit their emails and instead always writes cogent, coherrent paragraphs. I am giving him the benefit of the doubt because I have been there done that and I think that a miscommunication makes more sense than that he spoke abut something that was a completely unnescessary lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeafTalker Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Hey, Jacki!!!!!!!!! you're BAAAAAAAACK!!!!!!!!!!!!! WELCOME!!!!!!!! and what a fantastic "I'm back" post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And I tried to start a passenger list for the Vegas Plane on page 155, but nobody bit. So I want to be on your train, fer shur!!!! LT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VioletX Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 (edited) Has it been confirmed that FB/FB are going to view the body this week??!!! Has it been confirmed that FB/FB are going to view the body this week??!!! no it has not been "confirmed" Edited February 11, 2013 by VioletX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest njjohn Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 But he never contacted him in 2009 either... That's the point. He never contacted him. For Vegas or in 2009. He gave two different descriptions for the kill shot bullet wound, neck and mouth. He lied about Money Maker suing him and taking down his website. He made the comments here about the preservation techniques and now says differently. How many miscommunications equal a fabrication to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 You can't discredit something that has no credit to begin with. A source is someone who told you something. And since you're using Noel as a source with another source that's not identified, it's nothing more than a footnote. It proves nothing. His source could be FB/FB who he cowrote a book with. His source could be Musky. Rumors do not make fact. The burden of proof is on RD, no one else, and he hasn't shown any. And the excuse of NDAs is just to string people along. I said this before..currently *WE HAVE NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE* of Dyer's claim. All Noel's claim does for ME, is buttress my BELIEF that Dyer's story is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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