Guest Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 (edited) Here is the link to the podcast. Start around 1:34:00 and let me know what you think. At one point Musky says he does not believe in bigfoot, but he whole heatedly believes Dyers story. He says it more than once too, and he says he and Dyer are like teammates because they both love to mess with the bigfoot community. Yes JRid its a confusing statement Musky says but what he means is that it is the work of brilliant hoaxers that keep the bigfoot community alive ( he states the PG film a prime example). In this light, he is saying that the camper video is believable in that it does look like a real bigfoot and so therefore, if he was still a believer of Bigfoot, he would totally buy the camper video. He is merely speculating that hoaxers are becoming more sophisticated in their methods and this keeps the bigfoot phenomenum going and hes glad of this. I dont get a sense that RD and Musky are mates more than that they both like to stand outside of the bigfoot community. They are like chalk and cheese and sometimes opposites attract.You must remember that there are many sceptics here on BFF and it appears that sceptics do love to associate and argue/listen/contribute to the bigfoot community? I am glad that they do to as it forces us to be objective. Isnt it called a Symbiotic relationship? Where one lifeform cant survive without another totally opposite lifeform? Musky has made a name for his self as a bigfoot sceptic of late so therefore he is dependant on non sceptics and what he thinks are pranksters, to keep his profile? He needs camper videos. I dont think people should read into anything more than in this 'relationship' between Musky and Dyer Edited January 28, 2013 by JackiLB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Cisco, awesome investigation and report. Thanks! It's verrrry interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cisco Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 yes..BF could utilize the area..but only on a very limited basis. So, I'm looking to where he could go to get the requisite food and water? If it were to exploit other areas...WHERE? The surrounding area doesn't appear to be very promising as far as foraging and taking down prey. Most animals (Bear) of this size require substantial territory. This area appears to be rather limited and *anemic* for an animal of this size. Ronn I have no idea what a Bigfoot would need to survive, insofar as quantity of acres. There were no large bodies of water but there were some water sources. I did not explore all of this area so I can't say if there were any additional sources of water. I do know there are deer and my son saw a cotton tail. I assume there are rattle snakes, possums and other "critters." I wish I could say, one way or another, if this area has a Bigfoot. However, I think one could spend some time there before having to move on as there are some resources. However, I don't know if that's year round or less. I'm afraid it's all speculative until something else comes along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nalajr Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 COOL field trip. That's the kind of thing your boy will talk about to his friends and remember his whole life. Right now I'd say him and his friends think you're the coolest DAD ever. As someone who's a GUN NUT I thought I'd add my 2 cents. The sounds of a LARGE rifle like a .30-06 will carry a LONG WAY, longer than what you'd think. It would easily be heard in that Depot parking lot. Me and my buddies used to have our own little shooting range and one day I decided to drive around and see how far I could hear it. I just wanted to see if it was possible we were aggravating the people that lived around the area. Even though all they were shooting were .22LR ammo, I could easily hear them from 3/4 of a mile off and across a MAJOR highway. So don't think that because it is a BIG place that people wouldn't hear a gunshot. I'm not criticizing you or your report in any way, just thought I'd add the info about how the sound of a large rifle carries a LONG way. Nalajr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 COOL field trip. That's the kind of thing your boy will talk about to his friends and remember his whole life. Right now I'd say him and his friends think you're the coolest DAD ever. As someone who's a GUN NUT I thought I'd add my 2 cents. The sounds of a LARGE rifle like a .30-06 will carry a LONG WAY, longer than what you'd think. It would easily be heard in that Depot parking lot. Me and my buddies used to have our own little shooting range and one day I decided to drive around and see how far I could hear it. I just wanted to see if it was possible we were aggravating the people that lived around the area. Even though all they were shooting were .22LR ammo, I could easily hear them from 3/4 of a mile off and across a MAJOR highway. So don't think that because it is a BIG place that people wouldn't hear a gunshot. I'm not criticizing you or your report in any way, just thought I'd add the info about how the sound of a large rifle carries a LONG way. Nalajr I'm wondering that maybe RD got away with firing the gun this time but if a body and an accompanying film is released ie. showing evidence that he fired a gun within the city limits, then maybe he could then be arrested? Maybe he is prepared for this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 9 page NDA that covers the use of recording equipment? Did he seriously say that? Maybe the document was written in 20 pt font? Those two men are peas in a pod.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasfooty Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 (edited) Even though all they were shooting were .22LR ammo, I could easily hear them from 3/4 of a mile off and across a MAJOR highway. So don't think that because it is a BIG place that people wouldn't hear a gunshot. I'm not criticizing you or your report in any way, just thought I'd add the info about how the sound of a large rifle carries a LONG way. People don't get that excited in a town about one "boom" that "could" be a gun shot, unless they know where it came from. If anybody did hear it, they could have easily written it off as a truck backfiring. How many people would get all excited & go running off onto that tangle of brush looking for a "maybe" gunshot? Especially if they didn't hear any more. I doubt that the law would even go in there unless they had good reason to think they would find something. Edited January 28, 2013 by Sasfooty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Very nice job investigating, Cisco, plussed you for it. Thanks, that was very interesting!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 9 page NDA that covers the use of recording equipment? Did he seriously say that? Maybe the document was written in 20 pt font? Those two men are peas in a pod.. I can well believe it. Must be endless red tape stuff attached to a 'viewing'! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Um no it's not. I am trying to find something online that shows you all the words used for this type of NDA. I used to keep these documents on my personal computer here at home - but the computer crashed. Remember, according to Musky - he can talk about what he sees - he just can't record and/or photograph. Why that would have to be 9 pages is beyond me and pointless. 9 pages is way over kill and must include things other than the use of recording equipment. I have typed up and helped to write NDA's (with my boss) for large corporations - they were NOT even close to 9 pages and they have far more concerns than Rick Dyer. The key to these types of documents is to keep them short, sweet - but directly to the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Um no it's not. I am trying to find something online that shows you all the words used for this type of NDA. I used to keep these documents on my personal computer here at home - but the computer crashed. Remember, according to Musky - he can talk about what he sees - he just can't record and/or photograph. Why that would have to be 9 pages is beyond me and pointless. 9 pages is way over kill and must include things other than the use of recording equipment. I have typed up and helped to write NDA's (with my boss) for large corporations - they were NOT even close to 9 pages and they have far more concerns than Rick Dyer. The key to these types of documents is to keep them short, sweet - but directly to the point. JRid said: ... that the disclosure is to keep him from taking photographic, video, and audio evidence. I am guessing a couple of pages per item plus details about the persons identity and the consequences if broken etc... could that not come to 9 pages? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Um no - you are talking about a few brief paragraphs discussing this. If this is the only thing Musky is agreeing to --- this would and should only take 2 pages at the MOST.. And - honestly it should only take 1. If this is truly 9 pages - something else is going on. IF there is even such a document. There is no good reason for a 9 page NDA covering Video and Audio recordings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Um no - you are talking about a few brief paragraphs discussing this. If this is the only thing Musky is agreeing to --- this would and should only take 2 pages at the MOST.. And - honestly it should only take 1. If this is truly 9 pages - something else is going on. IF there is even such a document. There is no good reason for a 9 page NDA covering Video and Audio recordings. What about details about other than what not to do ie. all parties involved details, ie the legal team/s, Musky's details and also consequences if broken - surely that could be quite lengthy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 (edited) JackiLB, I signed an NDA with the production company for monsterquest. I could talk about what we did, I could not discuss what we found - I could not show photographs, video, or play recordings. This included any castings taken of tracks. It was 1 page. This is simply an example. But, from my own personal and professional experience - I would have to see that NDA to believe it even exists. Lawyers are the kings of covering all the bases and doing it as quickly as possible using as few words as possible so there is NO ambiguity. The more words you use, the more chances someone has of getting around what you are trying to do. People complain about this all the time because they don't understand the wording - so they have to take the document to an attorney to have it decoded before signing. Often times Attorneys have pre-written paragraphs that cover specific things like the use of audio, video and/or recording devices. It is a simple paragraph. NOW - if Rick wrote that up himself --- then I can see it taking 9 pages. There could be little asides to musky "But, we can discuss what you seen over dinner at McDonalds, as long as there is no one sitting beside us." Edited January 28, 2013 by Melissa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VioletX Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 JackiLB, I signed an NDA with the production company for monsterquest. I could talk about what we did, I could not discuss what we NOW - if Rick wrote that up himself --- then I can see it taking 9 pages. There could be little asides to musky "But, we can discuss what you seen over dinner at McDonalds, as long as there is no one sitting beside us." lol! I wonder if the Film company's lawyers would be involved, well somehow I doubt it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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