Guest MrMudder Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 (edited) They are real... +1 For sure. Even in the middle of Iowa along the Des Moines River Valley. I truely believe that they are in a lot of places, and that's just because of my own experiences along with math throughout my years with "adding it all up." They're wherever deer, water, trees are -- Along with the connected treelines throughout the United States and Canada. Google Satellite Maps is a great tool for following treelines. I've followed trees from central Iowa all the way up to Canada once, via Google Satellite Maps, and I'm in the middle of corn with some large rivers (lol). The free technology is at your hands. Use it @Kings Canyon said it best. They are real. No joke. But, I'd assume neither him or I are skeptics. Old map below, FYI... http://Penn.FreeServ...com/BigFootMaps Edited January 4, 2013 by MrMudder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 (edited) Welcome MoltoMario, A site which I found useful is the lawn flowers, jerky and bigfoot website, hosted by someone in Andaulusia, Alabama. The name is unusual, but the site is exactly what it says it's about. flowers jerky and BigFoot. But the useful thing is they have catalogued different aspects of the phenomenom and their is a page with a list of BigFoot encounters indexed by the observed behavior or circumstances involved. Like the author of the page says, some or many of the listed incidents may be hoaxes, but only the witnesses themselves know that. But if you read these I think you will get a general bigger picture of believeable behavior, which is what I came away with after reading most of the encounters. The diverse reactions, actions and behaviors were what I would expect from a living population of real creatures, each acting according to its own personal nature to the various situations described between the creatures and the witnesses. I also didnt believe some of them at all. But most were made more believable by their differences instead of ascribance to the classic BigFoot behavior. Living real creatures exhibit individuality. Myths probably dont lol. the page with the indexed behavior encounters is:http://www.lawnflowersjerkyandbigfoots.com/Pages/BigfootBehavior.aspx http://www.lawnflowersjerkyandbigfoots.com/Pages/BigfootBehavior.aspx Edited January 5, 2013 by people booger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 +1 For sure. Even in the middle of Iowa along the Des Moines River Valley. I truely believe that they are in a lot of places, and that's just because of my own experiences along with math throughout my years with "adding it all up." They're wherever deer, water, trees are -- Along with the connected treelines throughout the United States and Canada. Google Satellite Maps is a great tool for following treelines. I've followed trees from central Iowa all the way up to Canada once, via Google Satellite Maps, and I'm in the middle of corn with some large rivers (lol). The free technology is at your hands. Use it @Kings Canyon said it best. They are real. No joke. But, I'd assume neither him or I are skeptics. Old map below, FYI... http://Penn.FreeServ...com/BigFootMaps I totally agree. Moltomario, You need to spend more time outside at 3am. Leave your flashlight off and bring some fresh baked bread. Listen carefully. They are real, and they are astonishingly good at not being seen. PG Film. 1967 Jaws (major movie) 1975 Which creature looks more real? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam2323 Posted January 5, 2013 Share Posted January 5, 2013 welcome ...and as all above has stated get out in the woods and look for yourself! This forum truly can get you more educated on the Big Fellow. You will find the the knowers on this sight had that one significant event in there lives that changed their out look forever on their existence. Mine was in 1976; tracks in 3 inches of the snow; Big Oak Flat California. Ill never forget the look on my Dads face when we took him to the track way He just said Boys I have know Idea what made those. At that Moment I was forever changed and obsessed with the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JiggyPotamus Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 (edited) I think that too many people get confused when the term "elusive" is used. For instance, your logic is that they obviously avoid people since we have not found them. Or that for them to be real they would have to avoid people at all costs. I think this is wrong. Actually, many people have found them. And many more people find them every year. Science has not really made an effort to document the species either. Another huge factor to consider is that even if science were actively pursuing sasquatch on a large scale, they would be doing so with the mindset that sasquatch is just another animal. This is a big mistake, and one that many people seem to make. See, sasquatch are intelligent enough that they do not have to avoid us at all costs, which is the extreme many skeptics lean toward. They have the reasoning ability to assess any situation before deciding what they want to do, and unlike other animals they are not purely instinct-driven. I understand your skepticism, although I have recently decided that the only way most skeptics are going to believe is to get lucky like many of us did, and see one with your own eyes. You can do many things to give yourself better chances, but it still comes down to luck. I am the only person I know of who thinks that the sasquatch population is booming, and much larger than most authorities on the subject claim. I think that sightings will continue to increase as sasquatch are pushed from the better, more secluded habitats, to those nearer human civilization. Also, there is quite a bit of circumstantial evidence, as you noted, but there also is direct evidence. There have been DNA samples that were determined to come from something that is not a known animal. Yet these results are often either simply ignored, or they are attacked. The same rigorous scientifc methods that are acceptable in other fields will be attacked when pertaining to proving the existence of sasquatch. I do not mean the methods so much, but more like the competency of the person doing the testing is called into question, even though the methods are sound. There are just so many aspects and nuances that will take a newcomer a bit of time to learn, because to learn something you must come across it first. And the vast majority of information relating to bigfoot is of the negative variety, at least where reputable sources are concerned. The useful information and gems of wisdom are scattered throughout forums like this one, as well as a small handful of blogs, websites, and videos. Surprisingly, I think there are quite a few real sasquatch videos on Youtube, but unfortunately most of them do not present enough detail for a thorough analysis. I think the lack of information is directly due to the intelligence of the sasquatch. Edited January 9, 2013 by JiggyPotamus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 JiggyPotamus, I agree with you regarding the number of BF living near people. I bought land that to my surprise was regularly visited by BF. It took me over a year of watching and listening to determine it was BF. They are astonishingly good at not being seen. That is why I made the comment about getting out there in the dark and looking/listening for yourself. Any place with woods, water (esp rivers/streams) and food sources may support BF. We have taken up so much land, I believe they have been forced to live in close proximity to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 I am the only person I know of who thinks that the sasquatch population is booming, and much larger than most authorities on the subject claim. I completely agree with you on this, jiggy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmaker Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 JiggyPotamus, I agree with you regarding the number of BF living near people. I bought land that to my surprise was regularly visited by BF. It took me over a year of watching and listening to determine it was BF. They are astonishingly good at not being seen. That is why I made the comment about getting out there in the dark and looking/listening for yourself. Any place with woods, water (esp rivers/streams) and food sources may support BF. We have taken up so much land, I believe they have been forced to live in close proximity to us. I'm sorry but this seems pretty far fetched. "ANY" place with woods, water and food sources? Really? Well, I live near a river ( about half a km) that has woods and plenty of deer. So I suppose I should be on the look out for a squatch? Nevermind the fact that I am in the city limits in a subdivision? This sounds like Bobo where any slightly forested area becomes squatchy as hell. If people really believe this then it's no wonder that there are so many sightings. One could barely travel any distance in any direction without seeing or coming near to at least a dozen squatches. In fact, those rabbit tracks in the snow in my backyard are probably baby squatch tracks, or at least a baby squatch wearing a rabbit pelt... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Great post Mario, My sediments exactly, everything you are saying is what I am thinkg and you saved me the trouble of having to write it. As an Mechanical Engineer and scientist of sort, I tend to think logically with facts and statistics. I am an outdoorsman and enjoy the time out with the kids (10 and 12) they are fascinated by BF, and are extremely bright and fearless. Unfortunately we have had no experiences we could not easily exlpain. We live in central florida and have experienced the primate sounds and had a CLEAR sightings of the now large troop of wild monkeys in the reserves. http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-01-08/news/os-central-florida-monkeys-20120108_1_silver-springs-monkeys-tish-hennessey-rhesus the kids went crazy. These guys are not stealthy at all and I know they are not killing alligators or deer to survive. They are well documented and now have spread out from Apoka to Palm Coast, look at a map, that is a long distance of protected preserves and swamps....skump apes do exist that are just not as tall as people say I grew up in Agawam, MA..home of the 1977 hoax (FYI, not wallace stompers).. One of the earlier movies I remember was "Sasquatch: The legend of bigoot". I have been hooked since. Back to topic I spent months reading thru 25+ page threads on this blog soaking in all sides of the topics. I 100% agree that some advocates have done some great disservice to BF. I find myself watching the show with the girls and having to answer logical quesions they pose to me. How does MM know this, or know that. For fun we catalog the "facts" that Cliff, Matt and Bobo put out there, and then review them. Even THEY question how he knows all of this without "witnessing directly, studying or living with them in the wild "like gorillas in the mist†(they like the classics on anything related to BF or primates)....But it is not just the Finding BF show. It is entertaining, but not educational, their leaps are detrimental to someone who wants to believe and has the capacity to do so There are some advocates that refuse to admit when they should be skeptical or could have been wrong, human nature is not to back down, even in the scientific community. The facts are that they have been wrong especially Meldrum, no need to sight the incidents. Then he comes back with insightful and logical information. The incorrect leaps of advocates can hurt. It all evens out though, skeptics are too quick to start connecting dots to conspiracies and told you so without being open. We read every post on the tracks at BCM, and everything about the confusion the Wallace circus has created. We looked at every overlay, gif, paint created image and there are some things that don't add up. We even find ourselves agreeing with people like Kit on some of his conclusions because some arguments against are just not good. You then start thinking if they are wrong on that those what about this other thing they said. This forum does rock. I live for any PGF debate since nobody will ever be able to prove either way. At some points both sides hurt themselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 I completely agree with you on this, jiggy! I tend to think this is a distinct possibility as well, and noted so in one of my first posts here. While I have never personally seen a bigfoot, and have no "data" to back it up, my reason for thinking it could be possible is an apparent increase in population of other animals, at least in my area, including deer, wild turkeys, etc. Heck, we even have a fairly sizable group of bald eagles here, which was unheard of just 10-15 years ago. Food for thought, no pun intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cisco Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Mario I'm a person that wants to believe in Bigfoot. I have no proof he exists, nor have I ever seen one. I love the idea of Bigfoot and it's fascinating to read such incredible sighting reports from very credible people. However, it's mind boggling that we don't have clear video, photos or a body. So, against all logic, I continue to believe in the possibility of Bigfoot as it makes for a more interesting world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest kchuskey Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 (edited) Are you sure about it maybe being a suit? http://pics.blameito...ot_sighting.jpg Edited January 9, 2013 by kchuskey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 That should give you a better head start, and a little more perspective. Also, off the top of my head - Why People Believe Weird Things - Michael Shermer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ms. Sasquatch Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 It's a reality show. For example, on the Biggest Loser, there is no way a certified trainer would have a 400 pound beginner running on a treadmill at 5mph. They do it to make it interesting for the viewer and that would apply to the Bigfoot show also. One good thing about the show, it has opened up more discussion about the species and maybe soon with credible research, it will be found. Until they find a live or dead Bigfoot, most people are not going to believe they exist, period. It's a faith thing, just like religion at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 I understand where you're coming from MoltoMario. Some people in the "bigfoot community" do more to hurt the subject than help. There are many people who will argue that any fuzzy picture or strange sound is obviously a bigfoot. Many can even tell you about "known" bigfoot behavior, which I find laughable. If you can't even get a good clear pic of one, you certainly don't know enough about them to classify their behavior. This is the problem with "true believers". I don't mean those who have actually seen an animal, I mean those who have not, but take anecdotal stories and blurry pics as proof positive that the animal exists. They want to believe, therefore they do. Its these people that keep a lot of real scientists from taking the subject more seriously. All that said, there are a some great people out there doing real research. There are also some great posters on here that view the subject with a healthy level of skepticism. They are able to filter out the garbage, ignore the known hoaxers, and carry on reasonable discussions without falling for every single blobsquatch that comes along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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