Bf-Brown Bear Fight Story

[beerhunter]

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That would be interesting indeed.

[VAfooter]

Just how familiar are you with Ivan Marx? I wouldn't consider him a reliable source at all.

 

 

Yes, Marx is highly suspect at best. He may indeed have had some of the incidents that he reported, but was caught in a hoax and in my book, that makes everything he says suspect. That may not be fair, but credibility is everything.

 

 

 

While written from a skeptic viewpoint, the following does touch on some of the issues with Marx and his credibility.

 

 

http://enigmaticstatic.com/doubt/imarx.shtml

[Guest]

Interesting … maybe he was the one who offered up the mule in the story? Good post.

[wiiawiwb]

A sasquatch would knock the brown (or grizzly) bear into next week. It would be quicker and more agile and would use a 6" oak tree as a bat; a weapon. It would swing the homemade bat like Harmon Killebrew and it would be lights out for the grizzer.

[Guest]

Yes it would seem they are powerfully strong. I watched a video demonstrating how an orangutan would fare against a large male sumo athlete.  Both are standing on a platform separated some distance apart. In the center of the two platforms is a muddy moat.

 

So a red haired diaper wearing four foot 180 pound orangutan is pulling a rope against a diaper wearing 5’10 inch, 360 pound sumo wrestler guess who wins? The primate pulls this 360 pound man into the moat without much effort. I have read something here from an older thread where it was suggested, according to their mathematical formula, that an eight foot Sasquatch weighing a specific amount may possess up to 20 times the strength of an average man?

Edited February 27, 2015 by Gumshoeye

[Guest sixxgunner]

I think this is a credible story. If it was made up, as stated previously, there would be grander details. Very interesting.

[Guest]

@Gumshoeye

 

Do you have any details as to this sighting. I've read a fair amount of reports and sightings but never one where the BF snapped the neck of a bear in such a manner. Which, I may add, is an incredible feet of strength.

 

When I was younger, we hit a deer with our car, on our way to our hunting lease. The doe was severely wounded and slowly bleeding out, with a broken back. I didn't want to shoot her since we were on the side of a farm road, and I didn't want to attract any wardens. Instead, I thought it would be a good idea to try and break her neck. Granted, a deer's neck is extremely flexible but it took a huge effort to finally break it. It was a stupid thing to do as deer can pack quite a kick and a bite, if you're not careful.

 

I don't think a bear's neck is as flexible as a deer's neck but it would take almost superhuman strength to break it. I'm sure a large male BF could manage it with a smaller bear but I don't see this happening with a full grown, adult male brown bear.

 

I've read reports of 9 foot male BF but, even at that size, they are dwarfed by the mass of a large brown bear. A brown bear is also much better armed with huge canines and claws. There's no animal in North America that can stand up to one, "mano a mano."

 

I've heard a lot of people comment, that no video evidence or photograph will ever be enough to prove the existence of Bigfoot. However, a video of a Bigfoot and a bear going at it, I think, would be more than enough proof.....

 

I may have a few. I’ve probably read a dozen accounts more or less but yes I believe they occur but to what frequency is anyone’s guess and I would imagine a few Sasquatch are injured along the way too. Bobby O and the group may have encountered some in the reports they entered as well. I posted one report on the forum a while back but couldn’t tell what thread it was where some people down south claimed to have found a dead Sasquatch that appeared to have been mangled, their words, and it caused me to me consider that a moment … what on earth could mangle a Sasquatch? A vehicle strike? A bigger Sasquatch? Not a black bear of course.

 

Last night I was flipping through some old Bigfoot articles I retrieved from various news outlets dating back from 1880s to 2009 and I read a few Bigfoot/bear accounts in those articles. One of them claimed some bear hunters in Canada or Alaska shot their bear and when skinning it found teeth indentations on the flesh beneath the fur. They also noted one or two of the five or six inch claws were either broken or missing, and discovered something odd when they gutted and skinned the big animal. I cannot recall whether the bite marks were on the neck of the skinned bear or some other part but they did postulate they were unlike they anything they ever experienced. Why? because as the article went on they reported the teeth marks were square like human but bigger and not canine fangs like wolf or cougar or other bears .... You know like biting into soft wax or plastic leaving behind a dental impression like we did in football practice for our mouth pieces ...

 

So beneath the thick hairy bear hide they found bruising much like giant human teeth marks .... Something powerfully large, hungry or mad, bit into this bear with such force that it left lasting damage beneath the thickness of the hide. I cannot think of any animals out there willing to approach an Alaskan or Canadian brown bear and bite it can you?

Edited February 28, 2015 by Gumshoeye

[Cisco]

I may have a few. I’ve probably read a dozen accounts more or less but yes I believe they occur but to what frequency is anyone’s guess and I would imagine a few Sasquatch are injured along the way too. Bobby O and the group may have encountered some in the reports they entered as well. I posted one report on the forum a while back but couldn’t tell what thread it was where some people down south claimed to have found a dead Sasquatch that appeared to have been mangled, their words, and it caused me to me consider that a moment … what on earth could mangle a Sasquatch? A vehicle strike? A bigger Sasquatch? Not a black bear of course.

 

Last night I was flipping through some old Bigfoot articles I retrieved from various news outlets dating back from 1880s to 2009 and I read a few Bigfoot/bear accounts in those articles. One of them claimed some bear hunters in Canada or Alaska shot their bear and when skinning it found teeth indentations on the flesh beneath the fur. They also noted one or two of the five or six inch claws were either broken or missing, and discovered something odd when they gutted and skinned the big animal. I cannot recall whether the bite marks were on the neck of the skinned bear or some other part but they did postulate they were unlike they anything they ever experienced. Why? because as the article went on they reported the teeth marks were square like human but bigger and not canine fangs like wolf or cougar or other bears .... You know like biting into soft wax or plastic leaving behind a dental impression like we did in football practice for our mouth pieces ...

 

So beneath the thick hairy bear hide they found bruising much like giant human teeth marks .... Something powerfully large, hungry or mad, bit into this bear with such force that it left lasting damage beneath the thickness of the hide. I cannot think of any animals out there willing to approach an Alaskan or Canadian brown bear and bite it can you?

 

 

I can't think of any animal, including Sasquatch, that would willingly approach a large brown bear, with the exception of humans, which hunt them for sport.

 

I have no doubt there have been incidents of Sasquatch and bear having violent encounters, but I suspect they were not voluntary on the part of a Sasquatch. Unless they are much larger than the typical size of 7-8 feet tall, we read about in most sighting reports. Even if a Sas was of equal size, they would still be putting themselves at risk of death or injury and most animals avoid any kind of encounter that would cause them harm. However, I would also believe that a male Sasquatch would fight to the death, to protect his mate or young ones.

 

Perhaps Sasquatch have a coming of age ritual that requires they kill a full grown brown bear, as part of their initiation into adulthood?

[Guest]

I can't think of any animal, including Sasquatch, that would willingly approach a large brown bear, with the exception of humans, which hunt them for sport.

 

I have no doubt there have been incidents of Sasquatch and bear having violent encounters, but I suspect they were not voluntary on the part of a Sasquatch. Unless they are much larger than the typical size of 7-8 feet tall, we read about in most sighting reports. Even if a Sas was of equal size, they would still be putting themselves at risk of death or injury and most animals avoid any kind of encounter that would cause them harm. However, I would also believe that a male Sasquatch would fight to the death, to protect his mate or young ones.

 

Perhaps Sasquatch have a coming of age ritual that requires they kill a full grown brown bear, as part of their initiation into adulthood?

 

In so far as Bigfoot/Sasquatch goes I really don’t know. I consider them just animals in a sense that they are wild and unpredictable. Maybe everything is just natural and instinctual meaning it either avoids contact and walks away or seeks to destroy it. Short of disease like cancers or other hazards humans avoid, like extreme weather, fire and chemical poisoning, what other predators or beast in the wild would they fear? I thought about bison …. They can literally weigh a ton and they can cause serious damage if they smash and stomp something, but even they seem vulnerable too.  Could a bison seriously damage a Sasquatch?  

[Cisco]

I read a number of theories that Sasquatch incapacitate their prey by breaking a leg. However, I've thought about this and it's one of those things that's much easier said than done. How would a Sasquatch do this and avoid serious injury? Even a smaller white tail deer can kick hard enough to break bone. I understand that Sasquatch are likely immensely strong and may easily be able to break the keg of a deer. As strong as they may be, they're still vulnerable to injury and I can't imagine a Sas would try and grab a deer, then hold it, in such a way as to break its leg, then somehow break its neck. The chance of getting kicked is immensely high. If anything, it would make much more sense to jump on a deers back, gain control of the head, while avoiding flying hooves, then break its neck or strangle it.

I was thinking about this when I was considering the idea of a Sasquatch taking on a bison. I don't think a Sasquatch would willingly try and hunt something that big and dangerous. I certainly think they would take advantage of a sick or injured animal. However, a full grown, healthy bull would be out of a Sasquatchs league. Way too dangerous for any sane animal.

[Guest]

I read a number of theories that Sasquatch incapacitate their prey by breaking a leg. However, I've thought about this and it's one of those things that's much easier said than done. How would a Sasquatch do this and avoid serious injury? Even a smaller white tail deer can kick hard enough to break bone. I understand that Sasquatch are likely immensely strong and may easily be able to break the keg of a deer. As strong as they may be, they're still vulnerable to injury and I can't imagine a Sas would try and grab a deer, then hold it, in such a way as to break its leg, then somehow break its neck. The chance of getting kicked is immensely high. If anything, it would make much more sense to jump on a deers back, gain control of the head, while avoiding flying hooves, then break its neck or strangle it.

I was thinking about this when I was considering the idea of a Sasquatch taking on a bison. I don't think a Sasquatch would willingly try and hunt something that big and dangerous. I certainly think they would take advantage of a sick or injured animal. However, a full grown, healthy bull would be out of a Sasquatchs league. Way too dangerous for any sane animal.

 

Cisco there are lots of reports of people (hunters too) who reportedly observed Sasqautch stalking, herding, hunting and taking down deer and wild hogs. While I wasn’t there to say this firsthand, I cannot discount out-of-hand their accounts of these encounters either mainly because of the reoccurring similarities of methods used and described.

 

There is no doubt in my mind and those of many others as to the lightning speed of these creatures. They’ve been spotted running down deer or hogs. If solo or hunting in pairs or multiple groupings, the message is pretty similar as they herd their prey to an unsuspecting point where another group member(s) lies in wait.

 

They’ve been reported to grab the hind legs and torque them causing their incapacitated quarry to fall helplessly or they will grab and break their necks with the same effect. In a few such cases they have been reported to grab the antlers and either twist the neck or sling the hapless deer against a tree and again, meeting the same desired result.       

 

I read one report of one stunned hunter who while up on his tree stand watched in shock, as a Bigfoot stalked and killed a wild hog he was hunting.  One of the things that he found most disturbing was the speed in which the beast moved. According to what he described, he says the Bigfoot got down in a four legged stance and either leaped or sprung 15-20 feet grabbing the confused hog by the legs and slamming it to the ground.  It was all over in seconds or minutes. Then he says the most chilling part… was somehow it (Bigfoot) smelled or sensed his presence and stopped, looked up and gazed eye to eye at him leaving  him (the hunter) shaken and anxiously waiting for it to leave before climbing down and fleeing.   

 

As far as bear are concerned, I’ve read reports again from hunters who say they watched the Bigfoot twist the head and neck of a bear quickly and quietly. The reporting person did not specify what type of bear and I had no particular need in the report and did not keep it but there are reports out there.

 

Here in Michigan, I recall in 2004 there were a spat of sightings and reports in the county where we still go, and where I observed the it … Nevertheless, there were reports of Bigfoots crossing hiking trails carrying dead deer under their arms, there reports of deer carcasses found in caches of six or more in or near trees all with head twists or broken or twisted hind legs. One studious individual monitoring a police scanner overhead DNR chatting about a farmer upset when he found 12 point buck found with a twisted broken neck on his land. The carcass was pointed north while the head was facing south.  

 

If we agree that many more sightings and encounters go unreported than reported, I would also say far beneath the veneer of prideful bravado and machishmo and machisma rests a great deal of encounters just waiting to be told. Hunters and sportsmen alike, (meaning females too) go into some of the most far off isolated places both privately and publicly and that’s where *a lot of the encounters occur. Who do they tell of their experiences? Where do they go? Many don't for some of the reasons I pointed and we already know.

 

*Notice I said a lot not all.  - Just Saying IMHO

Edited March 3, 2015 by Gumshoeye

[Cisco]

Gumshoeye, many years ago, I read an article about the theory that T-Rex may have been a scavenger, instead of a hunter, simply because of the way he was built. This author pointed out that a T-Rex, with his tiny arms, would be very vulnerable in the event of a fall, while running or chasing prey. In fact, if he fell, he would hit face first, and likely break his jaw, effectively killing him as he'd no longer be able to hunt or eat.

 

This article reminded me that sometimes we have to question the practicality of accepted ideas or theories. I've been hearing about Sasquatch breaking the legs of deer, for as long as I've been interested in the topic.

 

Considering we have no real evidence, except anecdotal, I think its important we look at these things in a practical manner.

 

I've been around deer for most of my adult life and it would not be easy to grab one by the leg and break it. Their instincts are lightening fast and likely much faster than a Sasquatch. It makes sense to me that a Sasquatch would be an ambush predator because there's no way they could run down a deer, even under the best conditions.

 

If I was going to ambush a deer, and if I was 8 feet tall, 750 lbs and twenty times stronger than a man, I would make no effort to try and break the leg of an animal that weighs 5 times less than I do. I would simply jump on its back, away from sharp hooves, control the head and then kill it. In fact, if I could throw a rock as fast as they are purported to do, I would simply aim one at the deers head. If it didn't kill it, at least it would stun it.

 

I also read the hog hunting story in Texas and that makes sense to me. The female Sas, in the story, uses her fists and throws the hog into a tree. She didn't try and break a leg and just went straight to the kill. Most animals hunt in a manner that allows them to deliver a death blow or bite. I don't see any reason for a creature as big as a Sasquatch to break a leg, as being close enough to do that also would mean they're close enough to finish the job.

 

The leg breaking theory has never sat well with me as it has never made sense. Whereas breaking an animals neck does make a lot more sense to me.

 

It's a fact that animals of the same species, have developed different methods of hunting, that suit their environment. Perhaps there's an environmental reason that causes some of them to go for a leg instead of the neck? Have you noticed if the reports of leg breaking are clustered to a particular area?

 

 

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