The Existance Of Bigfoot: Is The Magical/paranormal/spiritual/supernatural Really Necessary?

[Guest]

gerogegerm - what strikes me is that this subject has been discussed and pursued with such intensity so long.

Seems to me some people must know more than we accept as conventional wisdom about BFs (and the range of opposing "knowing views" is probably narrower than it seems in face of what we don't know!) and yet I am unable to decipher who (or what info exactly) is true without my own experience to drive me, b/c there are so many competing sources, so many rabbit trails.

And the only thing we can present as extrinsic physical evidence so far is really limited. Even with a body or DNA peer-reviewed I don't suppose it will answer the legends of behaviors and witness accounts.

I always attributed invisibility claims to natural camo/stealth, and/or fear in the witness - that blinding moment of shock in which they seem to disappear.

But, I also figured their eyes were like ours. And they don't seem to be. They do seem to be highly reflective in a way no known large primate is. If you believe those witnesses. I do b/c I am one, although I do reserve room for mixing up phenomena...and "blues eyes" may be a case of that... It seems unlikely, but BFs seem unlikely too.

It is hard to believe any of it really. Bigfoot generally is a pretty odd thing as it is...hidden for so long. I am still working on a good daylight witness...

p.s. The problem with these books and sources is they aren't peer-reviewed and one is left to own devices to review critically. Too many rabbit trails! I have believed for almost four years that Lief Erickson saw a bigfoot, as reported by David Paulides in Tribal Bigfoot (and the source Ray Crowe)...and finally decided to look up (it showed up on a TV show recently)..and guess what? No such thing..duh...

Go to wiki or just google...and duh again, if I knew my Nordic history...but anyway.. I didn't and accepted that tidbit...repeated it to others....!!!

So? I will still just stick to what I know...or think I might (even tho I will consider others, why not?), and what is the next step? They have me stumped... I either take a bold step with those same BFs...and not sure I have courage.... or try a fresh place and change the experiments...try and test some of these more bizarre ideas early before I corrupt those new BFs with knowledge of my limits, etc... any ideas? hehe..

I am ok with looking at the possibilities..and I love science.. it seems wide open to me, the final answers, b/c our ability to tool our ideas in engineering are a long way from where we need to go to answer our questions.

Edited April 20, 2013 by apehuman

[Guest]

p.s.s. I'd like to know if the story is true too, thanks for posting.

[Guest LarryP]

I never even heard of this guy before today. Give me some time and I'll address more of his claims.

How's that coming along for you?

[ThePhaige]

It was fairly common knowledge in the east bay area during the late 60’s and early 70’s, that Lawrence Livermore National Labs had several bigfoot in captivity in the 60’s. UC Berkeley staff also participated in the study. The first bigfoot caught them by surprise, when it escaped by walking out the door when the janitor came in to clean out, what everyone thought was an empty holding cell. It remained at large inside the building for a couple of weeks, before it found its own way out. There was some panic but I believe that only a few people stayed at home, since it was technically 4th dimensional. The 4th dimension description was not decided, until a later time and at UC Berkeley, I believe. Stephen Hawkings participated to some degree in later studies in 1974-1975. The scientists did continue to study the bigfoot while it was at large. They did so by standing in front of its travel path and letting it walk right through them. They were able to determine that it held no ill will toward its captors, and that it was only trying to get out of the building.

They were more prepared for the second one that they held captive. During that study, they had 24 hour multiple observer surveillance and multiple cameras running. At no time was no camera not running. They both witnessed and photographed the Bigfoots many cycles of transition from our 3 dimensions to several 4th dimension phases. This one escaped in the exact same way as the first, because apparently it did not return from a 4th dimension phase. So they believe that it had escaped on its own. It too roamed THE LAB, for a couple of weeks. It made its way to a break room and both ate food there and made a mess during the night that was left to be discovered the next day. They relied on the secretaries to detect where the 4th dimensional bigfoot was, since they were more sensitive than the men and could better sense the electromagnetic cloud that was associated with its presence. Apparently, it liked to sneak up on the secretaries from behind, when they came in for coffee. So there were a few dropped coffee pots and burnt toes. They drove this one out of the building by opening up a pathway by propping doors open and presumably banging on pots and pans. Apparently, one scientist was retired early because it was believed that the bigfoot hynotised him to go insane. He apparently did not respect the bigfoot for being people and firmly thought it to be an animal. That was the only injury that I can recall. The actual report was retrieved by the DoD from THE LAB’s library in about 1979, and no copies remain there. Since THE LAB has retirement plans, no personnel that were on duty then are still there today. This is why the feds are still quite bent on stifling all bigfoot research of any kind, and by any method. The conclusion of the DoD study was that the bigfoot cannot be contained, controlled or communicated with, and is thought to be alien in origination.

They were wrong on the communication aspect, because most anybody can communicate with the bigfoot, given the proper instruction.

Far more money is spent by the federal government to stifle bigfoot research, than is spent by all bigfoot researchers put together, in my opinion. How? Illegal Email and phone taps. Helicopter and motor vehicle time. Electronics to track cell phones of researchers who failed to remove the battery from their phones even though turned off. Automated telephone harassment equipment. Manhours to both tail and harass researchers. Breaking and entering to steal records and photographs of those who right books. Theft of mail through the USPS, UPS and Fedex. Picking up bigfoot bodies and threatening all who witnessed it. Other than that, the feds couldn’t give a rats ass about whether bigfoot is proven or not.

silvereagle

February 17, 2007

I asked for a source for the Lawrence Livermore National Labs Bigfoot story. He responded thusly and offered the following advice:

I listed a source as Stephen Hawkings. I have listed him in the past. All choose to fail to interview him. People are free to poke around Berkeley with the retired professors. Lawrence Berkeley has a science exhibit building that is open to the public. They were fully aware of both the Bigfoot in captivity and the invisibility in 1975. It was common knowledge back then.

Two successful southern Oregon bigfoot researchers by the name of Ray Rosa and Shelly Binkley, had one of the bigfoot that they are working with, transition into an orb in front of their eyes. That will be real easy for you to verify. The orb trick was also first revealed in the Lawrence Livermore Lab Bigfoot Study. I just didn’t post it because I didn’t think that your viewers could handle it.

Invisibility of Bigfoot has been known about since at least the 60′s. People who know about, do not become Bigfoot researchers because they are pretty sure it is a waste of time trying to study something that is invisible most of the time. People who do not know about it, may become Bigfoot researchers because they do not know what they are up against. So the law of natural selection weeds out those who know about Bigfoot invisibility in the ranks of researchers. Sali Sheppard Wolford’s book “Valley of the Skookumâ€, clearly describes Bigfoot invisibility. Mary Green’s book describes the evidence but fails to reach any conclusion.

I have watched the TBRC video on TV. Let me give you a little help. I communicate with the Bigfoot by whispering in English. I can get them to reply by using branch breaks. So can you. Your researchers believe that by whispering, Bigfoot will not hear you. Wrong! I have audio/video of a Bigfoot going ballistic at 300 yards away, after all I was doing was “thinking†about how some people think that they have the right to kill a Bigfoot. Bigfoot understands both English and even your tiniest thought. Don’t forget that because that is the most important piece of information that a researcher can have.

A fellow Oregon researcher of mine has seen hundreds of Bigfoot. She will not post to the internet for obvious reasons. There is no question in her mind that they are interdimensional, and will drift in and out of our dimension right before her eyes. So the TBRC is pursuing the wrong avenue because they apparently had no one to clue them in. I have had close to 10 bigfoot stand within 10 feet of me. Guess what? They were all invisible but emitted a sensation of an electromagnetic cloud, as well as some other faint electronic snapping, and they were all peaceful. I have a picture of paranormal eyeshine from two likely wood gnomes at 5 feet. Their bodies are invisible. They are the same 4th dimensional people family as Bigfoot. If you are not even thinking about hurting a Bigfoot, then you should have no reason to fear an invisible Bigfoot. All bets are off if you are thinking about hurting, killing or capturing one. Bigfoot research along the paranormal route, is busting out into a sprint, because we have both contact and communication with them. Flesh and blood research is and will always be going absolutely nowhere. Perhaps the TBRC ought to rethink their beliefs and their goals. Oregon is at the extreme cutting edge of Bigfoot Research today. I am unaware of any other area that is even close to achieving any significant new results.

There is just one giant game going on, to try and keep from upsetting too many people about invisibility. My take on invisibility? Invisibility is an inconvenience to proving Bigfoot. The Bigfoot do not use it as a weapon to hurt people who respect them as people. Even when they are invisible, they are concerned that we can see them. They use it as a defensive tool to keep from getting hurt or killed by lunatics with guns. And there are a lot more Bigfoot than anyone can imagine. They live inside the city limits of Portland, Oregon, and in most woods that are larger than 5 acres around here. They just do not often come into our dimension to get shot.

Food for thought

Source:

http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/invisible-bf/

[Sasfooty]

I sure would like to know more about the orb trick.

[Guest]

PSI usyally stands for pounds per square inch in the science world. Is there another meaning?

Several, in fact. In this context, though, it's the general term for psychic phenomenon.

What about reports of BFs in the Livermore Labratory with supernatural powers. Is this story just another fabrication? Google "bigfoot livermoore labratory"

First hit is from God-like productions, which is the first strike against it. The posting sounds like a crank claim a Conspiracy Theorist my call into Coast-to-Coast radio with, it's second strike. And it's all speculation and no evidence, it's third strike. It's out of there!

How's that coming along for you?

Slowly. So far I have to wonder if this guy found his degree in the bottom of a Crackerjack box.

[Bonehead74]

Source:

http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/invisible-bf/

It's not very confidence inspiring when they cannot even correctly spell Stephen Hawking's name. If someone is going to drop the equivalent of a paranormal A-bomb like the author of this statement did, you'd think they would spend a minute proofreading their words.

[Guest LarryP]

Slowly. So far I have to wonder if this guy found his degree in the bottom of a Crackerjack box.

Uh huh....

Short Bio: Dean Radin, PhD, is Senior Scientist at the Institute of Noetic Sciences (IONS) and Adjunct Faculty in the Department of Psychology at Sonoma State University. His original career track as a concert violinist shifted into science after earning a BSEE degree in electrical engineering, magna *** laude with honors in physics, from the University of Massachusetts, Amherst, and then an MS in electrical engineering and a PhD in psychology from the University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign. For a decade he worked on advanced telecommunications R&D at AT&T Bell Laboratories and GTE Laboratories. For over two decades he has been engaged in consciousness research. Before joining the research staff at IONS in 2001, he held appointments at Princeton University, University of Edinburgh, University of Nevada, and several Silicon Valley think-tanks, including Interval Research Corporation and SRI International, where he worked on a classified program investigating psychic phenomena for the US government.

He is author or coauthor of over 200 technical and popular articles, a dozen book chapters, and several books including the bestselling The Conscious Universe (HarperOne, 1997) and Entangled Minds (Simon & Schuster, 2006). These books have remained in print since they were first published and they've been translated into ten foreign languages. His latest book, Supernormal, will be published in July 2013. His technical articles have appeared in journals ranging from Foundations of Physics and Physics Essays to Psychological Bulletin and Journal of Consciousness Studies; he was featured in a New York Times Magazine article; and he has appeared on dozens of television shows ranging from the BBC’s Horizon and PBS's Closer to Truth to Oprah and Larry King Live. He has given over 200 interviews and talks, including invited presentations at Harvard (medical), Stanford (medical and statistics), Cambridge (physics), and Princeton (psychology), for industries including

and Johnson & Johnson, and for government organizations including the US Navy and DARPA. In 2010, he spent a month lecturing in India as the National Visiting Professor of the Indian Council of Philosophical Research, a program in the Indian government's Ministry of Human Resource Development.

[ThePhaige]

Source:

http://www.cryptomun...t/invisible-bf/

It's not very confidence inspiring when they cannot even correctly spell Stephen Hawking's name. If someone is going to drop the equivalent of a paranormal A-bomb like the author of this statement did, you'd think they would spend a minute proofreading their words.

I'm certainly not vouching for the efficacy of this account, but we should certainly disregard anything that contains a typo shouldn't we

[Bonehead74]

Just nit-pickin', though I'm going to require a bit of corroborating evidence before I run down that rabbit hole!

[ThePhaige]

Just nit-pickin', though I'm going to require a bit of corroborating evidence before I run down that rabbit hole!

Agreed

[Guest]

Sonoma State University.

I never heard of this university, either. But a cursory browsing of their website reveals it's an institute for teaching new age woo, similar to the School of Metaphysics. So, that would be the Crackerjack box the bottom of which he found his diploma in.

But here's what Rational Wiki has to say about it:

Noetic science is a form of bovine excrement famously promoted by Dan Brown in The Lost Symbol. It should be noted that noetic "science" and noetic philosophy are distinct. Noetic (from the Greek noetikos, "mental") philosophy is philosophy dealing with the mind, intellect, or consciousness. However, this more often goes under the more obvious name of "theory" or "philosophy of mind" these days. Noetic "science" is closer to the pseudoscience of parapsychology and other such New Age fluff as "expanding your consciousness."

The Institute of Noetic Sciences is the primary outlet for this form of woo. It was co-founded by former astronaut Edgar Mitchell and former Exxon executive and crank billionaire Paul N. Temple, who is also associated with the fundamentalist Christian organization The Family. According to the Institute:

“"Noetic sciences are explorations into the nature and potentials of consciousness using multiple ways of knowing—including intuition, feeling, reason, and the senses. Noetic sciences explore the "inner cosmos" of the mind (consciousness, soul, spirit) and how it relates to the "outer cosmos" of the physical world." â€

All of which sounds more like other ways of knowing than science.

Unsurprisingly, noetic science has come under criticism from skeptics and actual scientists, and the organization Quackwatch has placed the Institute of Noetic Science on the "untrustworthy" list.

Excuse me if I remain highly skeptical.

Edited April 21, 2013 by Leftfoot

[LeafTalker]

Of course you're excused, Leftfoot. You can remain as skeptical as you like and think anything you want to think.

ThePhaige (and Georgerm), that Cryptomundo post is one of the most exciting things I've seen in a while. It would be sooooo much fun to talk to Stephen Hawking about this -- and it sounds like he'd be plenty open to such a conversation.

And Sasfooty, I'd like to hear more about the orb "trick", too! I loved that Silver Eagle used that word. He has a sense of humor.

Edited April 21, 2013 by LeafTalker

[Guest]

I think it's worth applying whatever I can from these accounts to redesign a methodology this summer. Not willing to repeat same circles, not quite ready to walk away...and thinking...wow... I might really have to rethink this...

Thanks for the follow up on this reports..and the added input. Still haven't gotten my Seatco yet and just ordering the Psychic Sas (lost my amazon password email...hahah)

Any ideas of what method now...??

Edited April 21, 2013 by apehuman

[Guest LarryP]

Degrees from the University of Massachusetts and the University of Illinois do not come on the "back of a box of CrackerJacks".

So launching feeble ad-hominem attacks on Dr. Radin still doesn't releve you of your promise to "study" his Publications.