The Existance Of Bigfoot: Is The Magical/paranormal/spiritual/supernatural Really Necessary?

[Guest]

So launching feeble ad-hominem attacks on Dr. Radin still doesn't releve you of your promise to "study" his Publications.

I pointed out that he spreads new age woo, that isn't an ad-hom. And I never said I'd study his 'publications' only read them.

It's slow going because I have to keep reaching for the dictionary to translate his unmitigated woo. Seriously though, you want to back up your claims that PSI has any bearing in reality you're going to have to do better than this crank job.

[LeafTalker]

I think it's worth applying whatever I can from these accounts to redesign a methodology this summer. Not willing to repeat same circles, not quite ready to walk away...and thinking...wow... I might really have to rethink this...

Thanks for the follow up on this reports..and the added input. Still haven't gotten my Seatco yet and just ordering the Psychic Sas (lost my amazon password email...hahah)

Any ideas of what method now...??

Hey, Apehuman. I was struck by a similar post you made on a similar thread recently, but didn't quite have it together to respond right then, so thanks for reminding me what I wanted to say. I wanted to say, I think you can choose whatever method piques your interest the most.

Because the Sasquatch are people, like us, everything we do with them -- every interaction we have with them -- is like any other conversation we might have with any other human being. Other human beings are completely themselves, and their own "entities"; we can't always predict how the other person is going to react. (We need to get to know that person before we can even begin to make a stab at such predictions.) So there's no perfect methodology (I believe) for encouraging interactions with Sasquatch people, either, beyond the basics that we know already: That we have to be respectful, and that we should investigate with a gentle curiosity, not an aggressive one.

I think we're in one big dance with the universe. If you dance your own joyous dance, you will call to you a dancer partner who wants to share that fun with you.

So if you want to break free and experiment, I think that's awesome. You talked recently about wanting to sit in one place and let someone come to YOU -- am I remembering correctly? I think that's brilliant. Someone who dances like you do -- who loves that peaceful energy and peaceful curiosity that you give out -- will emerge from the darkness to play.

I believe there are no rules, beyond the basics, so your hunger for something new -- for some methodology less cookie-cutter-like, and more "Apehuman-like" -- seems wonderful to me, and something worth pursuing.

I really look forward to hearing about your newest adventures!

Edited to add this: Oh! Found your comments in the Robert Morgan thread, where you said exactly what I just said -- something about using Morgan as a jumping-off place, and then changing your methods as it suited you. So sorry! You know this all already............... I guess we all know everything, somewhere..... Also wanted to say that the paranormal aspect doesn't, in my mind, materially affect anything we're saying about how to be. All the basics still (and always) apply, whatever interesting and unusual mechanisms BF may or may not have for communicating, concealing themselves, traveling, etc.

Edited April 21, 2013 by LeafTalker

[ThePhaige]

"I have to wonder if this guy found his degree in the bottom of a Crackerjack box", is classic Scofftic ad-hominem BS

'Scoftic' is typical wooist ad-hom BS. See? Two can play that game.

See I think the difference here and I am not speaking for anyone but myself... I don't go for pile ons. I find your posts as simply contrary because of the statements that you make. In another thread you spoke about how you could simply troll a Betty Crocker forum instead... now in this you speak of playing a game. I do find many of your bloviations to be of an ad hominen nature and many of your arguments straw man in nature. It is a tact that you have chosen for a reason I cannot quite put a finger on, but you have every right to do so, but after a while it just kind of shows through and becomes apparent.

Your using of terms relating to audio clips I and others have put up as being of a crazy person nature etc, or of the Coast to Coast AM radio etc etc just comes off as disingenuous and generally insulting.

Personally I have been dealing in reality with reality and absolutely observable phenomenon. I am searching for deeper truths, perhaps we have not developed a method beyond testimony at this time for precise measurability of these said abilities. I sense we are close however. I don't sense your looking for the truth nor do I think it even matters to you, I think its like you say ...your here to troll and play games, I simply use your own words.

[Guest]

In another thread you spoke about how you could simply troll a Betty Crocker forum instead... now in this you speak of playing a game.

???

Where did I ever say that?

Your using of terms relating to audio clips I and others have put up as being of a crazy person nature etc' date=' or of the Coast to Coast AM radio etc etc just comes off as disingenuous and generally insulting.[/quote']

Sorry if you feel that way, but that's the way they sound to me.

Personally I have been dealing in reality with reality and absolutely observable phenomenon.

Could you provide examples of this? I would like to learn more.

Perhaps we have not developed a method beyond testimony at this time for precise measurability of these said abilities.

Allow me to re-ask a question from up thread: If we look exactly where you tell us we should be looking and we find nothing what will your excuse be then?

I don't sense your looking for the truth nor do I think it even matters to you.

And if the truth is that there is no such thing as the paranormal' date=' now would just blow your 'feeling' to hell, now wouldn't it?

I think its like you say ...your here to troll and play games, I simply use your own words.

I'm pretty sure I never said this. But if I come off as trolling, than I apologize. It isn't my intent.

[ThePhaige]

???

Where did I ever say that?

That Betty Crocker bit was in fact said by another poster, it was wrong of me... my apologies for somehow fusing that into this post.

[Guest]

Oh, I see.

Could you post your experiences by the way or at the least link them here, please?

[ThePhaige]

Could you provide examples of this? I would like to learn more.

I have provided much detail ad nauseam in this thread and many posts as many other people have as well.

I think we are pretty well aware of these types of observables.

Allow me to re-ask a question from up thread: If we look exactly where you tell us we should be looking and we find nothing what will your excuse be then?

If you read the Starkey Park tree shaker thread you can see a map of where I had my encounters from 2008-2011, if you want to know where to look for paranormal or supernatural SSq evidence that is a place I cannot take you to at this time, you simply have the testimony as I stated.

And if the truth is that there is no such thing as the paranormal, now would just blow your 'feeling' to hell, now wouldn't it?

It would not change my experience or the experiences of others , I would need to see how the proof of non existence took into account how so many other people corroborate the experience. Then we would have to prove that a mass schizophrenic event could be possible. when I was going through my personal encounters I had in fact not ruled out mental illness as a possibility, and after checking myself into several docs for thorough testing and no issues were detected nor was I placed on any medications.. then I knew what I was facing was real from my own stand point. Certainly you can

disagree and simply call it craziness. Others have and certainly other will, but we who have been there know what we know...so the answer would be Yes certainly, however I don't see that happening.

[Guest]

Leaftalker it was a lovely post and I do agree they are individuals. That is my plan this time, first anyway. The quiet wait and see approach. But, I am also wondering if there is a way to test any telepathic ideas? Of course one must have a willing subject, so can't rule out a no show as negative evidence, but wonder if there is something on the positive side I could do...that didn't write out well, but I think you have the idea.. Right now I have a few ideas, ones that must be written out in advance t document/test...pretty flimsy...! Oh well, I do think any thing will be an adventure anyway... BFs or not...spring weather is upon us!

Edited April 22, 2013 by apehuman

[MIB]

AH -

I think you're back to one of the "base" questions: if having an experience with bigfoot and documenting that experience for others (gathering "proof") were mutually exclusive, would you proceed with providing proof of their existence for others at the cost of having experience with them yourself? I suggest the telepathic angle may pose the same question.

I can't suggest what to do, just trying to help you ask yourself the right questions so whatever you do is authentically you rather than others expectations of you. Given a choice, I'd rather be the real me and fail than fake it and succeed, but especially and more likely, I'd rather be the real me and succeed than try to be someone else and fail. Good luck!

MIB

Edited April 22, 2013 by MIB

[Guest]

I have provided much detail ad nauseam in this thread and many posts as many other people have as well.

I think we are pretty well aware of these types of observables.

Bolding mine. That's an overstatement, you made plenty of claims that you have had encounters which cause you to believe that there might be paranormal aspects to Bigfoot. But you don't back that claim up by discussing it here when the actual conversation is here.

If I have to go chasing for your experiences from other threads I'm just going to drag it here to be discussed here, so it's better if you select the ones you believe to best defend your position.

Me: Allow me to re-ask a question from up thread: If we look exactly where you tell us we should be looking and we find nothing what will your excuse be then?

You:

If you read the Starkey Park tree shaker thread you can see a map of where I had my encounters from 2008-2011, if you want to know where to look for paranormal or supernatural SSq evidence that is a place I cannot take you to at this time, you simply have the testimony as I stated.

Please reread my question. How does this response in any way answer it?

Again, if we look exactly where you tell us to look and we find nothing to suggest that the paranormal is possible then will you just give more excuses why we didn't find it there and what will your excuses be if so?

It would not change my experience or the experiences of others , I would need to see how the proof of non existence took into account how so many other people corroborate the experience.

...You're kidding, right? You do understand what a contradiction in terms 'proof of non-existence' is, I hope?

Then we would have to prove that a mass schizophrenic event could be possible.

Challenge accepted. Dancing Plague . Challenge met.

[Guest]

MIB

Oh, I think finally I just am doing this for me...(in contrast for BFs...ha...or humans..) but I have never faked anything with respect to reporting to humans...... I think you mean fake with the BFs to try and trick them, or to act in a manner not in keeping with my values?

If that is the case, yeah - that goes without saying ...

But, if they will tolerate the thermal great..or an openly held video...I'll have them handy...but the covert stuff isn't worth my time anymore...b/c the quality is not sufficient ...but it did inform me...(well I do have one dear little blind box with a one way mirror I must try...but not too hopeful ....)

I do think sound recording will be happening though..and probably openly..not sure yet...

so yeah lots to think about really...I also plan on several unrelated spots...... The summer won't be endless so...we'll see!

For me know the goal is a good daytime witness, and some direct communication.... otherwise I don't know what I am doing anymore....not so bent on trying to pull together evidence per se...but more understanding for me...and if I come up completely bust..oh well...! I don't feel like I will though... I do think they come round much more often than campers realize...and just staying alert and due diligence in the area will reveal a presence... maybe not, maybe I was spoiled by this one BF family....

Edited April 22, 2013 by apehuman

[LeafTalker]

AH, I think I remember reading on here somewhere that we sometimes need to give a Sasquatch person permission to enter our thoughts, so they can talk to us telepathically (although I know for some people, it just "happens"). I've also heard other people say that another way to encourage telepathic communication is to start it yourself, by asking questions (or making statements) in your own head, without speaking them aloud.

Neither of these things has worked for me (yet); at least, not with Sasquatch people.

[ThePhaige]

Bolding mine. That's an overstatement, you made plenty of claims that you have had encounters which cause you to believe that there might be paranormal aspects to Bigfoot. But you don't back that claim up by discussing it here when the actual conversation is here.

I will tell you the reason I am on this forum, and it is not to seek proof..nor is it to prove anything to you. I know what has happened to me, and I know others have experienced it as well and I know more and more are experiencing it each day. I am here to be there for them when they have no answers and others who have not experienced these things are refuting their experience. Having you understand would be like trying to explain how a banana tastes to someone who has not every tasted one. When and if you have these encounters I will be there for you as well, to help you realize you are not alone, you are not crazy and all though we may not know all the answers... there are many who dont think the questions should even exist let alone the phenomenon itself. I simply take issue with name calling and belittling people, when you know exactly nothing of what you speak...

If I have to go chasing for your experiences from other threads I'm just going to drag it here to be discussed here, so it's better if you select the ones you believe to best defend your position.

Go for it, i will not share the finer details of my very personal experiences except with those I trust. Whatever you dig up here Im fine with you dragging all you wish.

Again, if we look exactly where you tell us to look and we find nothing to suggest that the paranormal is possible then will you just give more excuses why we didn't find it there and what will your excuses be if so?

I dont know since this is way more hypothetical than a true measure, I would say at this point though... if and when I am wrong I will simply admit it.

...You're kidding, right? You do understand what a contradiction in terms 'proof of non-existence' is, I hope?

Certainly, there is no proof one way or the other, only opinions at this point

Challenge accepted. Dancing Plague. Challenge met.

Interesting factoid, but I don't see its relevance here though

[Guest]

Well Leaftalker they do seem to have occurred for me, most notably the "blue eyes" warning visit and the last long trip...pretty intense mental stuff...on the other hand I am not a psychic although have practiced meditation since the 70's....but that endeavor does not translate necessarily to mysticism that would accurately translate to BFs...or will it? Those dreams were crystal clear...and on topic...so? And interesting they only occurred at the site... so, I feel like this trail is followed because it leads there...and to add to that check this out..for a bump

hope the guy doesn't mind...just ran into this..and not bad...but what I found interesting were the comments section..apparently something happened in the last month that was "life altering" as he put it..and he is now leaning to the paranormal...well wadda ya know heheh.. notice his first posts are trail cam stuff... I dd not watch them all...

and my experiences have been life altering...jury is out on if that is good or bad, I tend toward it's a good thing...but not always sure!

Edited April 22, 2013 by apehuman

[MIB]

AH -

What I meant is, just using myself as an example, ... I'm a hunter, hard-wired for it. If I left the guns home and sat by my tent in the woods, I'd still hear the forest with a hunter's ear and awareness and start to respond as a hunter before I thought about it. "The audience", if they're watching, would be onto me in a heartbeat. Then they'd wonder why I was hiding something. For me it is better to just be who I am, HOW I am, and let them take their time to become comfortable with it rather than trying to pretend to be someone else to speed the process.

I don't see that an audio recorder has any effect. I've seen some indications bigfoots notice them, even mess with them, but don't seem to object. They're touchy about light and touchy about photographic equipment. I would not put out a game cam unless they were bugging me so much so often that I needed to put one over my tent to create a bigfoot-free zone so I could get a night's sleep. (Laughing but dead serious, too.)

I'm not sure that distance / different areas matter. There are indications that what they learn about me in one place changes how they behave towards me in others. I don't know what the mechanism could be but conceptually Thom Powell's "coconut telegraph" seems to be operating. It is hard to study, in abstract, someone who is studying you back. His quip about it being spying, not science, resonates.

MIB