Guest DWA Posted May 18, 2013 Posted May 18, 2013 The ones used in civil discourse, not in the Tar Pit. No one has to respect an opinion with nothing backing it up. Simple enough.
Guest Cervelo Posted May 18, 2013 Posted May 18, 2013 Please provide a link to the rules of arguement used in civil discourse....I couldn't find any. Thanks
Guest Cervelo Posted May 18, 2013 Posted May 18, 2013 (edited) Not really but this certainly is... I await the rules of argument for review that you referenced....as they refer to civil discourse Edited May 18, 2013 by Cervelo
Guest LarryP Posted May 18, 2013 Posted May 18, 2013 I don't need to prove disprove the BF claim. Proponents need to prove their claim. That is how scientific claims work. Wrong again. You're trying to hide behind the specious "you can't prove a negative" argument. When in reality that is not true, because there really is no such thing as a purely negative statement.
Guest wudewasa Posted May 18, 2013 Posted May 18, 2013 Ahhh, now we argue about arguing! Dizzying intellects! Reminds me of this- LOL
Guest DWA Posted May 18, 2013 Posted May 18, 2013 Not really but this certainly is... I await the rules of argument for review that you referenced....as they refer to civil discourse http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:The_Rules_of_Polite_Discourse And if you are gonna tell me those don't apply, look above. You have your new avatar.
Guest Cervelo Posted May 18, 2013 Posted May 18, 2013 Right. One can have an opinion. But that opinion can also be valid, or not. If you have no opinion on the P/G film, but have seen a bigfoot and know they're real...well, by the rules of argument I don't have to consider your sighting proof, but I have to acknowledge that you are expressing a basis for your opinion and must perforce respect it. When you just don't care about the most important single piece of evidence for a phenomenon, and out of hand, with no support for your claim, and yes it is a claim, dismiss the phenomenon as just total bunk, well, you may have an opinion. But under the rules of argument, the opinion garners no respect. There is no basis for it. DWA, Lets get back on track....perhaps your confused.. in the above post you reference "the rules of argument "....twice. Show us those rules of argument that you wield for dismissal of others opinions. Then you go on to reference civil discourse and the Tar Pit.....again maybe your confused this isn't the Tar Pit and the fourm has rules that prevent civil discourse in the General fourm. So again lets see the "rules of argument" that apply and how they are used to dismiss opinions...they must be very complelling rules to carry such weight with you. Or could it be something that is claimed to exist and then referenced as fact with no proof to back it up....I'm skeptical of them existing but hopeful you will produce them....sound familar
Guest DWA Posted May 18, 2013 Posted May 18, 2013 Dismissal of other's opinions??!?!!??!!? Just what, exactly, is it that prompts one to come on over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again, saying the same things, and talking past or simply ignoring everything that tries to point out the problems in that point of view? Read those rules again. It is a violation of practically every one of them. To keep on and keep on saying "it's not real it's all folklore and tales it's all crap it's not real" in the face of evidence - loads of it - that's been dragged in front of one for comment over and over and over again? Well, if that's not dismissal, you tell me what the word means to you. I dismiss that.
Guest Cervelo Posted May 18, 2013 Posted May 18, 2013 (edited) I'm sorry maybe I missed them you've posted the fabled "rules of argument" somewhere? It would appear one of these should be introduced at this point...... Edited May 18, 2013 by Cervelo
Guest DWA Posted May 18, 2013 Posted May 18, 2013 Yep, we're done here. Do try to stay on topic, as the rules I posted politely request.
Guest Cervelo Posted May 18, 2013 Posted May 18, 2013 (edited) DWA, This is very relative to the subject at hand you have proffered the "rules of argument" as a basis for your reasoning, is that not correct, you referenced them twice in one post? Now you cannot or will not offer them up for examination and discussion correct? So am I being a skeptiod by questioning their existence and yet you will use these very "rules" to dismiss my opinion. Edited May 18, 2013 by Cervelo
Guest DWA Posted May 18, 2013 Posted May 18, 2013 Questioning existence, yes. Denying a reality that others are addressing by persistent naysaying and catcalling, no. The evidence is a reality, and points in a clear direction. Should one not want to acknowledge that direction, and give no reason, well, why honor what they think, other than saying, yo bro, you, um, get to think what you want? I mean, I do do that.
Guest Cervelo Posted May 18, 2013 Posted May 18, 2013 Dismissal of other's opinions??!?!!??!!? Just what, exactly, is it that prompts one to come on over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again, saying the same things, and talking past or simply ignoring everything that tries to point out the problems in that point of view? Read those rules again. It is a violation of practically every one of them. To keep on and keep on saying "it's not real it's all folklore and tales it's all crap it's not real" in the face of evidence - loads of it - that's been dragged in front of one for comment over and over and over again? Well, if that's not dismissal, you tell me what the word means to you. I dismiss that. Only you could answer that question
Guest DWA Posted May 18, 2013 Posted May 18, 2013 (edited) And I did. See the last sentence? Um, what was the topic of this thread again...? Oh yeah. If all this evidence amounts to people just making stuff up, what is that called, and what is your PROOF that that is happening? This is a claim more extraordinary than bigfoot, and we know what we all say about extraordinary claims. Edited May 18, 2013 by DWA
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