Guest DWA Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 ^^^Actually, I wouldn't. Nature put 'em there, not me. Laughing is optional, as is going into the woods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmaker Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 ^^ So if you observed what you considered to be an aggressive predator near a public hiking trail, you would not alert anyone? Nice.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSA Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) I'd just interject to note that "scary" is a rather subjective description, as well as what constitutes "dangerous" in this context, but the NAWAC people on the ground have never stated, as far as I can recall, that they felt like their presence subjected them to real danger. They might feel that way, and I expect I would if I were them, but the firearms they carry and use have been described to me as an offensive, not a defensive weapon. Some there carry no firearms at all, so that should tell you something about their fear levels and appreciation of danger. As for what other hikers can expect, and the hypothetical duty to warn them in general... the geographic boundaries of where that duty ends (if there even is one) could be pretty hard to define. These animals are living in boundless wild habitat. I don't feel compelled to tell every hiker I meet on a trail that there might be poisonous snakes hearabouts, does anyone? Some things you are either going to know and appreciate, or you are not, but if you don't it is not my job to assume that duty to educate you. If you don't know BF could possibly inhabit the woods where you walk, well... maybe you should know that. Edited January 23, 2014 by WSA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DWA Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 I'd also question what the response would be. Wouldn't you? I mean, what would the response be? [wonders] [not] ^^ So if you observed what you considered to be an aggressive predator near a public hiking trail, you would not alert anyone? Nice.. If it were a bigfoot...? Ignorance has a price. I would consider the lesson learned about laughing at stuff one knows nothing about to be excellent. For, you know, them, I mean. There are things it is just flat pointless to do. If I warned, um, you perhaps...? See....? I prefer to let nature take its course, and surprises are what the woods is about. Remember: I'm either hallucinating or hoaxing. Don't want to be accused of that, now do we. I could add a note about how very - VERY - disingenuous it is for somebody who just knows all this is a crock to persist in such a line of inquiry. But I won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSA Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Trying hard to ignore that aspect of it DWA, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Exactly, you stand on a trail telling hikers "Beware, there is an 8' tall, hairy, bipedal Wood Ape, harassing us, and pelting us incessantly with rocks, bluff charging and screaming at us, just up ahead." and they are liable to call the police on you. Good point DWA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DWA Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Besides which, odds are that they'd have no more than every cubic centimeter of [digestive byproduct] scared out of them by a harmless ape. And where is the harm in that? Oh look. Answered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmaker Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 I could add a note about how very - VERY - disingenuous it is for somebody who just knows all this is a crock to persist in such a line of inquiry. But I won't. Yeah, but you sort of did anyway now didn't you? But I am asking in the hypothetical, and for the benefit of this thread, so that this does not turn into an argument about existence. So, assuming that bigfeets are real and are as aggressive as many of the reports indicate......I suppose that should have prefaced my question to Bipto? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 The security system could also be employed to repel the hordes either in retaliation to you shooting one, or from snatching the body before you get to it. Set up in a perimeter around a bait or something, and only turned on when one is laying in the center. There are hordes of bigfoot out there? Man, I'd like to see just one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSA Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) BF aggression is such a hotly debated topic, and by my count there are at least three different, active threads that address that in some fashion at present. We'll probably always have questions and theories on that. Of course, you have to define "aggression" too. My personal belief is that natural selection has taken care of all the truly dangerous ones, we humans being so good at the killing thing..and I'm talking of thousands of years, not hundreds. It also has probably selected for the BF's most furtive traits too. The way populations of animals react to hunting pressure has always fascinated me, and if you've ever seen the difference between how deer behave inside a National/Provincial Park, and how they behave in a National Forest or other area where hunting is permitted, you know what I mean. Bear populations are even more susceptible to this change in character. The increasing frequency of aggressive black bear encounters I suspect could be attributable to that cause-effect in some areas. They "know", and I don't know how they do, nor does anyone else. Since you raise it Dmaker, I should note the witness accounts that relate to actual BF violence are extremely few. Lots of bluff displays, shadowing, power-yells, yes. You can conjecture all you want about people disappearing, etc., but the fact remains, the narratives speak of feeling scared, uneasy, and just plain terrified, BUT they also repeat a refrain that goes like this, "If it had wanted to, it could have killed me in an instant." Why do they not? Like I said, might be because Darwin was correct. Edited January 23, 2014 by WSA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmaker Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 "If it had wanted to, it could have killed me in an instant." Why do they not? Like I said, might be because Darwin was correct. The simple answer to that is who would be left to tell the scary story if bigfeets went around killing people? No, that would not do at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Because, one other explanation on why the IR system is acting as a Force Field, is that someone on the inside knows about it, and coordinates any human hoaxing activity around that. "Tonight is a no-go, the IR system is in place", as opposed to "They dismantled the IR system, it is a go." (He doesn't know you still have it operating) You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skookum Chuck Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 You answer your own question WSA......Obviously a witness that says "If it had wanted to, it could have killed me in an instant". ....didn't witness any violent actions, and made a report. I don't believe there would be ANY report from anyone who DID experience violent actions because we would never hear from them again. The one that wants to kill you .......can. And there won't be any report. Just a missing person report. After reading "Missing 411", I did some research on missing persons in my home state of Washington and came up with many curious disappearances of people. If you want to research, here's a couple - google Archer Johnson missing April 1, 1986 and Gil Gilman missing June 24, 2006 Both men had special skill-sets that should have prevented them from disappearing into the forest, but that's exactly what happened. Too many of these incidents happen to write off to bad luck. Archer Johnson's truck was found half in the road, with his door open and a full, opened can of beer on the seat. His bandana was found nearby but not another trace since. He worked in the forest his whole life and was coming from work when he disappeared. How did he just walk off a road and disappear? Maybe the whole road-crossing thing is just bait for an abduction? One squatch runs across the road while 4 others wait on the other side.....if the unlucky witness is brave enough to stop and investigate BOOM! he gets bull-rushed and that's the last of him. Gil Gilman was an army vet, had boots on the ground in Baghdad and all over the world and came home with 2 bronze stars. He spoke 4 languages and was probably a genius. How could this man have disappeared on a day hike in Olympic National park? None of this is conjecture, these are all facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiflier Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 (edited) Hello bipto, This was something we hotly debated in the group *up until* we installed the security system. It acted almost like a wood ape force field. You could be assured no ape would approach while it was on. It's now academic to the majority of our group (if not all) that they somehow have an aversion to IR light. No idea how, but when IR is present, their behavior changes. When it's not, it doesn't. When using NV equipment a match struck and lit is like the sun. I'm thinking that their tapeta lucidum gets overloaded when hit by infrared at some key frequency. It messes with nocturnal vision capabilities which may say something important: That sasquatch has thermal imaging capability because of a sensitivity to infrared. Is there anyone who can shed any light (pun intended ) on which kind of eyeshine or which mammals or insects or birds have suspected IR sensitive capabilities? The infrared to these creatures could be blinding but more importantly really disrupt the deeper survival mechanisms such as locating prey for food. Or in the case of having a history of dealing with large carnivorous predators, their own personal safety. It could be the one thing that puts them above anything else in the woods. Archetypically, it may be more than even that. There may be a predator they have learned to hide from because IT gives off infrared signatures like the cams. Edited January 24, 2014 by hiflier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airdale Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 WRT visible light from i.r. illuminators, most lower end trail cams and many security systems use leds in the 850 nm range which emit a dim red glow even to human eyes. In order to avoid any visible glow, it is necessary to use illuminators with a minimum frequency of 950 nm, higher is better. This link is to the Information Unlimited page listing a 980 nm collimated i.r. laser illuminator either assembled, as a kit or plans only that would provide invisible i.r. for night vision, etc.: http://www.amazing1.com/products/infrared-laser-and-collimator-assembled-kit-or-plans.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts