dmaker Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 (edited) ^ Again, I don't understand why people keep bringing up speed in relation to the claimed jump distance. The report states it was a crouching jump, NOT a running jump. Edited July 25, 2013 by AaronD to remove trolling babble
southernyahoo Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 I tend to cut people some slack on their judgement of distance particularly under duress, but do know after talking to the hog hunter and even just watching his reactions to the sounds I played for him that he was reliving an experience that shook him deeply. There was zero faking that.
dmaker Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 ^Uhm, DWA..please point me to primates that leap 40 - 45 feet, or even 30 feet? Gorillas jump 5 - 10 feet and Chimps even less due to their short legs from what I have read. Do you have some examples of any primate leaping that far?
Guest DWA Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 ^^^And given the absolute reamage - tons and tons - of evidence the bigfoot skeptics are giving me, that counts for much. More than much.
dmaker Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 DWA, how exactly is someone supposed to provide you with evidence that an animal does not exist? Other than by pointing out it's complete absence? Which, actually, skeptics don't need to do that when footers are already doing a fantastic job of highlighting the complete inability to retrieve a Bigfoot anywhere.
Guest DWA Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 Science is always about the way to bet; and the guys and gals in X are going with smart money. If you disagree: first, don't take up gambling and second, reading will help.
Guest Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 30-45-foot leaps? Why not? Ever watch primates before? Have you? Picture a gorilla(or even Patty) standing still, and now leaping 45 feet . I think someone has been watching "The Incredible Hulk" too much.
Guest DWA Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 Uh huh. (yawn) Pretty easy with calling people liars are we?
Guest DWA Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 All the time. I like to keep silly notions out of my head and stick with reality.
Guest Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 ^Uhm, DWA..please point me to primates that leap 40 - 45 feet, or even 30 feet? Gorillas jump 5 - 10 feet and Chimps even less due to their short legs from what I have read. Do you have some examples of any primate leaping that far? "Short legs" doesn't really come into it - it's more to do with the properties of the muscles. Eg: studies* comparing vertical jumps of bonobos vs. humans concluded that there was: "strong evidence that in an explosive task, bonobo muscle performs superiorly to human muscle, most likely due to a higher specific force. Whether the difference is due to higher density of contractile material or due to differences in the contractile machinery per se (i.e. myosin heavy chain isoform) remains to be investigated." What I found interesting was that the bonobo was doing more with less... Given that the bonobo is substantially smaller than the human (34 versus 61.5 kg), it is expected that, in an absolute sense, the bonobo has less jumping muscle mass than the human. This is confirmed by anatomical studies ......... The total estimated mass of the hindlimb extensors is 9.54 kg for the human and only 3.79 kg for the bonobo. ...so I wonder what implications that could have for a primate with 'more'? Maybe a massive standing jump? Although we might read things in encounter reports that immediately strike us as outrageous and implausible, in this case it's actually broadly in line with the trends identified in the scientific literature. That's one of the problems with making definitive statements about a creature yet to be definitively defined. *Scholz, et al. "Vertical jumping performance of bonobo (Pan paniscus) suggests superior muscle properties." Proc. R. Soc. B (2006) 273, 2177–2184.
Guest Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 Humans can jump over 11 feet from a standing position and the Olympic record for the running long jump is 29 feet. So a BF jumping in the area of 30-45 feet is not totally out of the realm of possibility. Also, many people describe lean and muscular individuals. They are apparently not all like Patty. So who knows.
Guest DWA Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 (edited) We don't even know why Patty looked that way. Maybe she was pregnant; maybe she was fattening up for winter like bears do. Speaking of which, anyone who saw a bear in the wild and didn't know anything about them would be sure he could outrun one. He wouldn't know they can climb a tree faster than he can run. Guy standing next to me, Custer State Park, South Dakota, watching some bison. "Sure glad we can outrun them," he says to me as they get closer. I look at him. It's pretty obvious he runs, likely competitive marathons. So I don't even say what I'm thinking: if they came for us, bud, you wouldn't be fully turned around before one was walking up your back. I love the things people just know animals can't do. Sure bumblebees can't fly. Shooooooooooooooooooooooooore. Edited July 25, 2013 by DWA
Guest DWA Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 Although we might read things in encounter reports that immediately strike us as outrageous and implausible, in this case it's actually broadly in line with the trends identified in the scientific literature. That's one of the problems with making definitive statements about a creature yet to be definitively defined. No kidding eh? "With my advanced degree in I Know You're Wrong, I will now prove, without any evidence, that animals aren't something I spend that much time on. Never mind that I'm telling you for sure what something can do that I don't think exists." Oh. OK.
Guest Urkelbot Posted July 25, 2013 Posted July 25, 2013 What are the accounts involving bigfoot you guys don't believe?
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