Urban Bigfoot, Seriously?

[Guest]

Curious. LCB, have you gathered any other evidence? When you started this thread you weren't sure if it was BF. Now you seem convinced. Is this all based off the few experiences you had last fall?

[Drew]

Animals will take advantage of our leavings, as long as they have escape terrain and good habitat not too far away.  The OP got that right.

 

Most of us don't know how wild the outskirts of our cities are.  Europe, too, has wild boar and wolf on the outskirts (and sometimes downtown) Berlin and Bucharest.

 

If it's an animal science is in denial about (as cougars east of the Rockies were until the past year or so), then count on double denial, that's all.

 

Does this include upright hairy ape animals?  Because they won't take advantage of our leavings, especially if there is a game cam around.

In the 'outskirts' of major cities, we are talking about high tension lines, underground cables, things that an animal sensitive enough to be startled by game cams, would probably blow their minds.

 

Since when has science been in denial about breeding populations of cougars east of the Rockies? There is a population in both of the Dakotas.

They won't say there is a breeding population of cougars somewhere, unless they have evidence of such a population, sure there are male cougars on 1200 mile walkabout, but no evidence of breeding between wild cougars in places like New York, New Hampshire Pennsylvania, for example.

 

Of course there is the Florida population, but they weren't in denial about that either.

Edited July 15, 2014 by Drew

[WSA]

I think the evidence for the continued existence of Puma concolor couguar is as strong as that for BF. For me, personally, it is stronger, because I've seen a cat I'm convinced was one, and it was in the Blue Ridge of VA, not FL.  That would be one heck of a walkabout....and yeah, I know, it was a pet escaped from a local carnival,etc.  Another parallel is the idea that the local rubes couldn't possibly be aware enough to know what is going on in the vicinity of a landscape they know intimately. That F&G is not real interested in documenting a breeding population of another umbrella species doesn't take even a conspiratorial mind to envision. The paperwork alone.... Still, you do see posters up and down the E. seaboard on backcountry kiosks warning hikers of the possibility and/or dangers. So, it looks like they are hedging their bets a little,huh?

 

I don't pretend to know what subjective reactions a BF has to a gamecam, or how it compares to its reactions to other more ubiquitous features of the man-built landscape, but I think "startled" is only one possible choice on the menu. Another might be, "What the hell is this thing sitting in my (figurative) livingroom that was not there yesterday? Best to give it wide berth until I know for sure."  Before too long, it goes away. Problem solved for Mr. BF. 

Edited July 15, 2014 by WSA

[Guest]

I have seen cougars 3 times in South Carolina and they were not at the grocery store!(or zoo)...

[David NC]

I grew up in Caldwell county NC, a neighbor of ours about a 1/4 mile away had pictures of a female and 2 cubs lounging in the shade of a tree on the edge of one of their back pastures. Unless there is a pygmy mountain lion that I am not aware of then NC had a breeding population then. Wildlife organizations still deny them today and they denied them back then.

[Lake County Bigfooot]

Nod4eight, the only physical evidence I have is in the audio events I recorded, prints were not in the equation do to the

hard packed soil, the tree coming down near me just after urinating could be coincidental but the timing of it and the lack

of wind makes that seem suspect. I guess what convinces me most is none of the sounds have happened since that 3 month

period last summer and fall.  Nor the activity I experienced of them throwing objects toward me that flew horizontally!!

[dmaker]

I have seen cougars 3 times in South Carolina and they were not at the grocery store!(or zoo)...

A cougar was caught just this week in Ontario, outside of Coburg. Speculation is that it may have been an escaped pet or zoo animal. It seemed to be fairly habituated to people and even spent several hours lounging in one residents backyard.

Edited July 17, 2014 by dmaker

[Guest]

For the longest time, I wouldn't have though Squatches could be found so close to metropolitan areas, but I've changed my line of thinking on that lately.There's a 1,000 acre Metro Park near me, with 3 creeks running through it where as I found out, a Squatch enencounter was reported, to my surprise.

[coffee2go]

For the longest time, I wouldn't have though Squatches could be found so close to metropolitan areas, but I've changed my line of thinking on that lately.There's a 1,000 acre Metro Park near me, with 3 creeks running through it where as I found out, a Squatch enencounter was reported, to my surprise.

 

What metro area are you close to?  Do you have access to the report?

[coffee2go]

I grew up in Caldwell county NC, a neighbor of ours about a 1/4 mile away had pictures of a female and 2 cubs lounging in the shade of a tree on the edge of one of their back pastures. Unless there is a pygmy mountain lion that I am not aware of then NC had a breeding population then. Wildlife organizations still deny them today and they denied them back then.

 

If organizations are denying a growing population of resident mountain lions in many states (east of the Rockies) how can we rely on them for accurate information about any species?  We have the same denial here in MN even though I know people who have seen them and have even observed a mother with cubs.  

 

If there are just one or two passing through there would not be so many reports in the state.  I don't believe the "escaped from a zoo or someone's pet" explanation.

[Incorrigible1]

To answer the original question: No, not seriously.

 

Still awaiting some credible evidence of "urban bigfoot." This does not include purported, linked, yet not produced "casino dumpster diving bigfoot."

 

Reports? Sure. One can produce "reports" of urban reptillians, unicorns, and mermaids. Really? Reports are not proof.

 

The OP has mentioned purported audio encounters from a year ago, maybe he found suspect footprints, but what else? A "pinned" thread, and what has it produced? Rampant speculation, check. Facts, or even worthy evidence? Eh.

[Painthorse]

@ Inc, as far as what it has produced "it's called discussion" which is why I thought a forum like this exists. I do believe the people who frequent this forum come here to "discuss" what they've experienced. Ask questions, compare notes, what they've experienced, etc. Seriously, if any of us had hard core, set in stone evidence and the mystery was solved then we would be discussing what "is known as fact" until then this is all we have "discussion of what we have experienced" . Hypothetical as it all may be, it's still discussion.

Edited July 19, 2014 by Painthorse

[Guest]

I don't know if it's really "discussion" as it is convincing each other you saw a BF. Perceived whoops over a year ago does not mean BF is crawling around your back yard, and it doesn't mean it's not either. Evidence is what is needed, but any serious discussion I tried to engage in here (finding ways to collect physical evidence) fell on deaf ears. Many folks would rather pat each other on the back and say "dude, you saw a squatch" than take that next step, because they will probably come up empty.

[Guest]

Hey Coffee. That was Three Creeks Metro Park I was talking about. It's in Columbus.

[Painthorse]

@ nod,

dis·cus·sion

noun \di-ˈskə-shən\

: the act of talking about something with another person or a group of people : a conversation about something

: a speech or piece of writing that gives information, ideas, opinions, etc., about something

 

 

Each has their own "perception" interpreting how things are "discussed". It's your opinion on how you want to interpret the discussions. Everyone's beliefs are different and if they don't jive with yours...oh well. No one has the right to "police" someone else's thoughts on what they do or don't believe. No one is obligated to incorporate someone else's advice if they don't desire to, it doesn't make it right or wrong it's just a differing of opinion.