Urban Bigfoot, Seriously?

[Sasfooty]

I didn't say anything about "animals" tolerating "other animals" being around.

 

I'm talking about wild people keeping animals around for various reasons.

[BobbyO]

I didn't say anything about "animals" tolerating "other animals" being around.

 

 

I know you didn't, but i did.

 

You was the one that said about "friendship".

And the reason i talked about tolerating was because i believe that friendship as humans see them, where wild animals are concerned, is nothing more than tolerating because of nothing else but because it suits for whatever reason, and when it doesn't suit, someone gets eaten.

Don't forget that people are animals sassy too and you can bet your last dollar that if Sasquatches do keep coyote's around for example that there's a reason for it that revolves around food and/or survival, not "friendship"..

 

But of course the most logical explanation would be that Coyote's hang around Sasquatches because there's a possibility that food will magically appear at some stage.

Edited November 9, 2014 by BobbyO

[Sasfooty]

I absolutely think they keep them around for survival purposes such as for hunting or an early warning system. It's also likely that one here & there that isn't earning their keep might turn up on the menu. But none of that means that it's not possible that they could be friends with some that are special to them.

 

I agree that we are classified as animals, too, but it's pretty rare to hear most of us being routinely referred to as such.

[Guest]

Great Pic LCB! Looks very fresh. I think the solo BF would tend to have the coyotes to help hunt like people do here with dogs. The canines can run forever and do most of the work. I found this track less than 2 miles from home but it is not as fresh as yours.

[Lake County Bigfooot]

BobbyO, do you remember the video that was posted here of Baboons that kidnapped wild dogs, raised them, and used them

as pets and protection?  I found it to be extremely eye opening when it came to primates and their relationship to dogs, of course

in this situation the dogs themselves posed a threat to the Baboons, but I could see how a symbiotic relationship could arise in 

a similar way between coyotes and Sasquatch...

 

 

http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play;_ylt=A0LEViWewGBUER4AsuwPxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTBsa3ZzMnBvBHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkAw--?p=gibbons+kidnap+wild+dogs&tnr=21&vid=BEE9FB8B5B39D7EA813FBEE9FB8B5B39D7EA813F&l=177&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DUN.608018905333170200%26pid%3D15.1&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D7I7-SADai3Y&sigr=11an6di9d&tt=b&***=Saudi+Arabian+Baboons+Kidnap+Puppies+%26+Raise+Them+As+Pets.&sigt=11q2k9fuq&back=http%3A%2F%2Fus.yhs4.search.yahoo.com%2Fyhs%2Fsearch%3Fp%3Dgibbons%2Bkidnap%2Bwild%2Bdogs%26type%3Dspd_dnldstr_14_21_ie%26param1%3D1%26param2%3Dcd%253D2XzuyEtN2Y1L1Qzuzy0AtDtDyE0EtByC0D0AyByEyC0EyC0AtN0D0Tzu0SzzyBtCtN1L2XzutBtFtBtDtFtCtAtFzztN1L1CzutCyEtDtAtDyD1V1TtN1L1G1B1V1N2Y1L1Qzu2SyDyEtD0C0EyDtCzytGzz0EyC0BtGtByDtD0EtGtB0A0AyCtGtDzy0Azyzz0AtDtD0D0E0FyB2QtN1M1F1B2Z1V1N2Y1L1Qzu2SyE0FyDyDyDtDtD0EtGtD0C0D0DtGtDyB0FtCtGyE0F0AyEtGtDtCyDtB0B0AtByDyDyBzzzy2Q%2526cr%253D1322096769%2526ir%253D140305_a%2526elng%253Den%2526elcl%253Dus%2526a%253Dspd_dnldstr_14_21_ie%2526f%253D1%2526cat%253Dweb%2526ulng%253Den-US%25252Cen%25253Bq%25253D0.8%2526sid%253D330d2832f0fa38123ca72f56fbd8d07c%2526stype%253Dspd_dnldstr_14_21_ie%2526sesid%253Decc82285ca664e08597d4721812f7c89%2526abid%253D35%2526abg%253D88%2526ipblock%253D%2526csr%253D0%2526b%253DChrome%2526bv%253D38.0.2125.111%2526os%253DWindows%252B7%2526cc%253Dus%2526ip%253D73.44.155.62%2526p%253Dspeedial%26hsimp%3Dyhs-fullyhosted_003%26hspart%3Dironsource%26ei%3DUTF-8&sigb=1re609v71&hspart=ironsource&hsimp=yhs-fullyhosted_003

 

The print I concluded was most likely of human origin, it can be accounted for with a vibram 5 toe show, which does resemble the sole print as well as lacks the normal tread.  I bet a lot of these will be mistaken for real prints, and that is why I sent it off to Cliff.  I vacillate only because of

the circumstances of finding the print, it was seemingly done in the darkness of night.  I would think with the lack of tread on the shoe it would not be a logical choice for a run in the snow.

Edited November 10, 2014 by Lake County Bigfooot

[Guest]

It's a fascinating question and perfectly valid of course. I think there's three main reasons how Bigfoot/Sasquatch has evaded discovery by mainstream science:

 

1) North America

2) Its speed

3) Intelligence

 

1) North America is absolutely huge. People don't often appreciate how big. There are large tracts of land that are still uninhabited with dense woodlands and offer plenty of food, water and shelter.

 

2) I've read a number of reports and one common feature I've come across is how quickly they can cover a lot of ground. These things are often reported to be in excess of 8ft tall with muscular and lean bodies. Given the length of their stride and how powerful their muscles are, it's no wonder they can disappear from sight within seconds.

 

3) These creatures are clearly intelligent and seem to make concerted efforts to avoid human detection and contact where possible. If they've been able to avoid us for this long then clearly they're much smarter than many believe. It's also alleged they've exhibited basic speech, even English in some instances, they can erect basic wooden structures including small twig constructs and use rudimentary communication with wood knocks and so forth.

[BobbyO]

 

I agree that we are classified as animals, too, but it's pretty rare to hear most of us being routinely referred to as such.

 

Get yourself to your nearest large City sas then you'd have no problem with doing so..

BobbyO, do you remember the video that was posted here of Baboons that kidnapped wild dogs, raised them, and used them

as pets and protection?  I found it to be extremely eye opening when it came to primates and their relationship to dogs, of course

in this situation the dogs themselves posed a threat to the Baboons, but I could see how a symbiotic relationship could arise in 

a similar way between coyotes and Sasquatch...

 

 

http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play;_ylt=A0LEViWewGBUER4AsuwPxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTBsa3ZzMnBvBHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkAw--?p=gibbons+kidnap+wild+dogs&tnr=21&vid=BEE9FB8B5B39D7EA813FBEE9FB8B5B39D7EA813F&l=177&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DUN.608018905333170200%26pid%3D15.1&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D7I7-SADai3Y&sigr=11an6di9d&tt=b&***=Saudi+Arabian+Baboons+Kidnap+Puppies+%26+Raise+Them+As+Pets.&sigt=11q2k9fuq&back=http%3A%2F%2Fus.yhs4.search.yahoo.com%2Fyhs%2Fsearch%3Fp%3Dgibbons%2Bkidnap%2Bwild%2Bdogs%26type%3Dspd_dnldstr_14_21_ie%26param1%3D1%26param2%3Dcd%253D2XzuyEtN2Y1L1Qzuzy0AtDtDyE0EtByC0D0AyByEyC0EyC0AtN0D0Tzu0SzzyBtCtN1L2XzutBtFtBtDtFtCtAtFzztN1L1CzutCyEtDtAtDyD1V1TtN1L1G1B1V1N2Y1L1Qzu2SyDyEtD0C0EyDtCzytGzz0EyC0BtGtByDtD0EtGtB0A0AyCtGtDzy0Azyzz0AtDtD0D0E0FyB2QtN1M1F1B2Z1V1N2Y1L1Qzu2SyE0FyDyDyDtDtD0EtGtD0C0D0DtGtDyB0FtCtGyE0F0AyEtGtDtCyDtB0B0AtByDyDyBzzzy2Q%2526cr%253D1322096769%2526ir%253D140305_a%2526elng%253Den%2526elcl%253Dus%2526a%253Dspd_dnldstr_14_21_ie%2526f%253D1%2526cat%253Dweb%2526ulng%253Den-US%25252Cen%25253Bq%25253D0.8%2526sid%253D330d2832f0fa38123ca72f56fbd8d07c%2526stype%253Dspd_dnldstr_14_21_ie%2526sesid%253Decc82285ca664e08597d4721812f7c89%2526abid%253D35%2526abg%253D88%2526ipblock%253D%2526csr%253D0%2526b%253DChrome%2526bv%253D38.0.2125.111%2526os%253DWindows%252B7%2526cc%253Dus%2526ip%253D73.44.155.62%2526p%253Dspeedial%26hsimp%3Dyhs-fullyhosted_003%26hspart%3Dironsource%26ei%3DUTF-8&sigb=1re609v71&hspart=ironsource&hsimp=yhs-fullyhosted_003

 

The print I concluded was most likely of human origin, it can be accounted for with a vibram 5 toe show, which does resemble the sole print as well as lacks the normal tread.  I bet a lot of these will be mistaken for real prints, and that is why I sent it off to Cliff.  I vacillate only because of

the circumstances of finding the print, it was seemingly done in the darkness of night.  I would think with the lack of tread on the shoe it would not be a logical choice for a run in the snow.

 

Great shout LCB.

 

But i would say we're again talking about only human interpretation of what that scenario was all about regarding pets and ultimately friendship and that can be countered by saying that they done what they did for none of that, but for survival purposes in one way or the other.

 

I may be way wrong on this, i don't know, Sasquatches may keep Coyote's as Pets but i personally think that's a little far fetched if we're talking about keeping Pets in the sense how modern humans do.

 

If we were to say that Coyote's would linger around Sasquatches and even if Sasquatches would use Coyote's for different purposes that were ultimately used for survival, then i'd say that was very possible.

 

They're smart animals Sasquatches, my belief is that they utilize many things in many different ways that would blow our minds if we knew how.

[Sasfooty]

Get yourself to your nearest large City sas then you'd have no problem with doing so..

I went to a big city one time, didn't care much for it & don't plan to ever go back. I wouldn't insult animals by comparing them to some of the people I saw there.

 

If you don't think the BFs keep some animals for "pets", that's fine, although I do know of one that was extremely fond of of a big buck deer a few years ago. Besides me, they were seen together by several different people that I know, & there's not much reason to believe that the deer was tolerated just to help the BF survive. 

 

 

my belief is that they utilize many things in many different ways that would blow our minds if we knew how.

 

You're definitely right about that!

[Cotter]

Could it be that the BF was having relations with the buck?

I know there are many accounts of them relating with livestock.

 

Also, is there any sort of creedence to the Melba Ketchum claims of the 'mind infiltration' that she claims? 

[Sasfooty]

From what I heard & witnessed, they were "just friends", & I don't know of anyone witnessing that particular event happening, But who knows?

 

Mind infiltration? I would have to be totally insane to get into a discussion about that, now wouldn't I?

[Cotter]

Well, I was approaching the subject cautiously.  I wouldn't recommend getting too awful 'adult' with the conversation.

I ask you b/c you are the resident member that has the most experience with the more paranormal aspects of BF and was curious if you think that what MK describes could be possible.

I know that you have experiences w/them on a more 'extra sensory' level (I feel that is an accurate statement, no?).

[Sasfooty]

I wouldn't say that I have the most experience with the paranormal aspects of BF, considering some of the email conversations I've had with other members. I just don't have the good sense to keep it all to myself as they do.

 

But to answer your question about what MK describes, yes.

[Cotter]

^Right on.  Thx Sas.  And LOL about the sharing part!

I see what you go through, and I contribute a bit here and there.....but I do appreciate your response.

[BobbyO]

Could it be that the BF was having relations with the buck?

I know there are many accounts of them relating with livestock.

 

 

That's the first thing i thought of.

[Cotter]

Antlers = handles

Edited November 11, 2014 by Cotter