Urban Bigfoot, Seriously?

[Lake County Bigfooot]

Two or three packs of coyotes in my general area can be heard, sometimes going off in unison, a lone grey wolf has been seen as well as a cougar, and I mentioned I found a bear track only a few miles north connected to me by greenway, still waiting for someone to spot that guy, though he chose a very nice spot. The Channel Lake State Park nearby, and Gander Mountain, the original, is a county owned property that is moraine and basically only sees a few hikers due to lack of trails and no parking, Fox river is slow moving and feeds the lakes, which is know for it's infamous bars and former Capone hang outs. At one time our lakes were a huge tourist destination due to being covered in Lotus Flowers. Our area flourished with tourism till they dammed up the lakes and when the water levels were unstable, no more beautiful Lotus Flowers, though some remain. Suffice it to say that this eco system is unique in that it is a combination of prairie, marsh, forest, savanna, farmland, moraines, and water ways, with some residential.

Visit the habituation thread and watch the video of feral dogs being kidnapped and raised as pets of baboons or whatever ape they were, not sure, but it was really interesting, and I think it sheds some light on the Bigfoot/Coyote synergy idea

Edited October 10, 2013 by Lake County Bigfooot

[Guest lightheart]

Good points Flash. As Lake said however the sound of the hand slap was really huge. Whatever made the sound had to have a very large surface area. The point I was trying to make with this is that it can be very surprising where they put in an appearance. For my part i want the hard evidence and the subjective experience. I don't think you can separate them any more than you can separate the sides of the brain. Just my opinion. Take what you find helpful or interesting and feel free to leave the rest.

[Lake County Bigfooot]

Well it looks as thought the thread has met it's demise, I will continue to log my thoughts here, as I have been using this as a bouncing board, like a diary of sorts. I am perplexing over the issue of winter, and where a Squatch will venture, and how to gather foot print evidence. You see as a Golf Pro I have a lot of time on my hands in the winter, though I have other projects to do as well, I need to get out and walk. Thus I can research some areas for prints. My recording may go on the road, because I feel that these guys retreat into more forested areas, I mean the thickest densest stuff. I think that this is why many spring and fall sightings occur, as they are on the move at these times. While this might seem like a migration, it is really just an adjustment to the lack of foliage, and the need for being hidden during daylight. With the much longer nights they have more time to move around, thus allowing them a greater range per day than in the summer. This could explain why prints show up in strange places in the winter. They are looking for food sources surrounding the winter lair. Of course this is pure hypothesis, and needs to be observed, but it answers the question of how they can remain in the general area, and return in the summer. The implication of this might include a gathering of sorts, more than one family in the same area. I feel that their diet would switch into a protein rich form, mainly deer and the occasional coyote, being aware of their surroundings they must situate themselves to take advantage of all available food sources, so I still think they can be figured out. As with their summer behavior, they probably push the bounderies knowing they can get away with remaining undetected, no one thinks their out there, except a few of us crazy folk...

Edited October 12, 2013 by Lake County Bigfooot

[Guest lightheart]

I like your line of reasoning Lake. I never thought about foliage or the lack thereof as being a possible motivation for migration. Here in Florida we lose some leaves around December but there still seems to be good cover, Yet even in the Reserve near me it seems like they do go some where for a while. I think that their caloric requirements are so high that they would have to move around a bit or they would exhaust the resources of their area, There have been accounts of people witnessing some sort of gathering. It would certainly help their gene pool to remain viable. If they do have some sort of proto-culture these migrations could be a part of that. There is so much we don't know but I too love to ponder these questions. 

[chelefoot]

There have been accounts of people witnessing some sort of gathering. It would certainly help their gene pool to remain viable. If they do have some sort of proto-culture these migrations could be a part of that. There is so much we don't know but I too love to ponder these questions. 

Do you have links to these accounts? I would enjoy reading them. Thanks!

[Guest lightheart]

Chelefoot, one that comes easily to mind is the account of Albert Ostman. He proportedly was kidnapped by a bigfoot and taken to the family lair. While there he witnessed a large number of bigfoot at the location.

Another very controversial account can be found in the book Enoch. Autumn Williams shares that she believes that they gather in larger groups at certain times of the year. Supposedly one was witnessed by her co-author. This was once a really hot topic and I don't have any way of knowing if either of these accounts are factual or not. The accounts are available on the web for you to read and judge for yourself.

[JDL]

You may be thinking of Muchalat Harry rather than Albert Ostman.

[Guest lightheart]

Thanks JDL. You are probably right. Also, for this topic I think I should have said accounts rather than reports. 

[Guest]

Getting back on topic, I'm curious what plans LCB has to gather physical evidence.  He mentioned a bear footprint, but says that the area is not conducive to showing BF prints.  How often do you go in there, to the marsh, LCB?  If you have rock/apple throwing activity going on, can you make attempts to get fingerprints off these?  Hair or tissue samples?  Stories and recordings are not going to cut it when it comes to evidence.  Are you willing to gather physical evidence given the opportunity?

[Guest]

A "what if" scenario I was regretting not having time for on Saturday, had to make trips across town a few times, including crossing this bridge over a deepish ravine, which has heavily wooded banks, and is fenced off either side to people, it goes right through the city here, and in winter I've looked over the parapet at different places and seen deer and coyote tracks in light snow...

 

Anyway, this Saturday afternoon, I'm driving over it, and there's a bunch of people looking over the parapet, pointing and gawping, come back across 5-10 later and there's some different, some same people doing it again... then come back the other way again 20 mins later, and there's people on the other side doing the same thing... I was very highly intrigued but didn't have time to stop

 

It was probably just a deer down there or something, 8 point buck getting comfy in his downtown pad before hunting season opens.

[Lake County Bigfooot]

Nod4eight

As far as physical evidence, I have gone out and searched for the thrown objects, but could not separate them from what was already on the ground. I am certainly hoping to get a good print from my immediate surroundings, but I may have to wait till winter or next spring for softer ground. The area I got the bear print is a few miles north of me, that has good soil for leaving prints, as does the State Park. I do a lot of walking in the winter, and while I am out there I do some investigation, so if there are snow prints out there, I may stumble across them. Last year I found a track way, but could not tell if it was those dang Vibram running shoes. Cliff Barackman saw the photos and thought he could identify a tread pattern, but that was very faint, so he too was not sure. They were laid down at night, as I had walked the trail the evening before and would have noticed them, they were also frozen up which meant that they had the time to freeze in the night. So circumstantially I was pretty amazed to find them, but some fool might have been testing out his ten toed shoes, who knows, but he must have gotten a bit cold.

I realize that evidence is the only thing that can really be useful, and I have conducted several investigations of my area looking for prints. That is how I discovered the ground is really unique in it's composition, it will not leave prints during late summer due to it's spongy nature, marsh sucks all the moisture to it, and surrounding soil is like rubbery, don't exactly know how to describe it. The marsh does have some moist soil, but the cat tail piles up and blocks the prints. So this would be pretty advantageous for a Squatch to hide it's presence. I found some interesting stick stuff, but that could be natural, and found a walnut cracked clean in half, small things, but it may take some time to pin them down. I have not gone much further due to the difficulty of travel through the marsh, but curiosity is drawing me, and giving me the courage to do so. You see it is kind of a paradox, I want to know, then I kind of don't want to know. Like that's really interesting, but stay out there. I guess I have no choice at this point. I will never be able to explain the whoops I heard this summer any other way, so I knew they paid me at least a visit. I could be deluded about them staying longer, but that has yet to be determined. I am open to either scenario, and if someone could explain what other type of creature has whoop conversations I would be out of here, and simply remain a skeptic...So here are the pics I have described the circumstances surrounding, the ten toed prints are from the State Park walking trail, and they do run in both directions. The bear print is from a road at Gander Mountain near Wilmot Il.

Edited October 15, 2013 by Lake County Bigfooot

[dmaker]

"... I will never be able to explain the whoops I heard this summer any other way,... "

 

 

Do you have Whooping Cranes in your area? I would imagine that you do.   They are known for their whooping sounds. And since they are cranes, marshes would be a common place to find them.

 

According to USFWS, Whooping cranes are found in Illinois in the summer.

 

Seems a lot more plausible than a Bigfoot...

Edited October 15, 2013 by dmaker

[1980squatch]

Well it looks as thought the thread has met it's demise

 

Well, Lake County better luck next time, don't be discouraged, maybe your next thread will actually take off

[LeafTalker]

Lake County Bigfooot (wow, I only just now noticed the extra "o" -- cool), those photos are GREAT. Thanks for sharing them! And 48 pages is a nice, long thread!!! You did great with that, too!!!! 

 

Funny, Hammer recently said something similar to your "I want to know, then I kind of don't want to know. Like that's really interesting, but stay out there." I think a lot of us feel that way. I do, anyway. I just came back from a week in the woods, and every night, on my trips to the outhouse and back again, I'd say, "Not now, okay, boys? Not now." 

 

Thanks again for having the courage to share all you've shared!

[norseman]

Dmaker, I can see where you might think that.. This however happened about 2 hours or so after everyone had gone to sleep or maybe passed out. LOL The general area where the springs are located is very rural and forested. The nearest town is about ten miles away and it has only one stoplight.All the land between the three sets of springs and the small town seems to be large tracts that are privately owned. My thought is that during the week the whole area is deserted and only on the weekends does it get crowded. There might have been thirty people sleeping in the general area but it had been blessedly silent for hours. There were no sounds of anyone talking or moving about. Only the two funny sounding "owls" calling to each other and getting closer and closer. The sound that my medium - sized hand would make slapping a car as compared to what I heard was completely different. It truly sounded huge. Now I know I didn't see a sasquatch slap the car so no I cannot be sure but I do know how the slap sounded. I just wanted to share my experience and maybe give someone a small smile for the day. I'm not really wanting to debate about this. 

 

Do you think you may have actually heard two owls and one of them ran into the car? Where they fighting? Mating?

 

We are talking about a bird that may have a 60" wing span here...........that's alot of "hand" to make a slapping sound on a car.

 

A mind tends to wander to Squatch when ever something strange is encountered in the forest, I get that. Especially if the person has observed a track way or had a sighting of their own. But did you hear any heavy foot falls or anything else strange that would indicate you had a giant biped(s) running around?