Guest DWA Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Well, anybody who finally has "no object" is going to want - or be influenced by - ideas. So I don't think it's a useless exercise. I think I might have had a bit to do with NAWAC instituting longer-term stays in habitat (e.g. Edurance/Persistence/etc.) I'd just floated it up there. People do steal (creatively, justifiably and fortunately) to come up with "their" ideas. That's the best reason to do these exercises. We may not have thought of something that somebody finally puts up for the community to chew over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cervelo Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 (edited) Space Cowboy, i did a little googling on how population surveys are done for deer, elk ect ect It's kinda already being done with unlimited funds (our tax dollars) not to mention the countless birders, hunters, campers, farmers ect ect boots on the ground everyday....just not the killing part but one would think by now... http://abc.museucienciesjournals.cat/files/ABC_35-2_pp_285-293.pdf I guess their just told to ignore that giant man roaming around focus on the deer!!! But to answer your question I would hire a very good PI to locate a Habs location and go kill that bigfoot Edited October 27, 2013 by Cervelo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Dog Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 The reason it worked in Vietnam is that you had a know entity moving down a know and proven trail. With the scenario presented here, you are inserting a 4 man team into an area looking for an unknown entity, and you're just guessing at it's path of movement. There are no know positives in the given scenario. You have no proven knowledge of subjects presence in the area, no knowledge of their path, and really, no actual physical proof that the target exists. Mark,Interesting....if true my take was the complete opposite!I felt like the smeja story kinda blew the whole family unit, big bad alpha will kick your butt...out the window.He shot one that ran off abandoning the two young ones and then pretty much hunted them down and killed one.Nobody came to their rescue....Then just this past year Smeja returns to the site and sacks out, snoring no less....so much for biggie retribution.Then there is NAWAC 13 years of biggie returning to be shot at....okey dokey them there some mighty scary critters, smart too! Your take is predicated on the stance that Smeja was telling the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 (edited) How about a public announcement in West Virginia (supposed decent population there) right before hunting season. Put a one hundred thousand dollar bounty and see what happens. They have to bring in some major part of the animal, head, arm, leg, you get the idea. Edited October 27, 2013 by will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Theskwerl Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 My question is if you want a body fine but why kill it? Why not tranq it and return with it alive. The study process I think would be amazing, seeing what it eats how it sleeps maybe even its communication and learning skills. I mean we took mountain gorillas like that and study them so why must it always be death involved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
See-Te-Cah NC Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 I will have to search for the link to it, but there is a story out of the 1800's where about a dozen men were searching for an escaped slave in the deep south (I think possibly Georgia). They stumbled onto a group of Bigfoot and one man shot one. The Bigfoot attacked ripping men and guns to pieces. Out of the 12 men, only one escaped alive. He brought back a group of men who found and buried what was left of them. Could this be it? http://bigfootforums.com/index.php/topic/2248-georgia/?p=26828 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incorrigible1 Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Know anyone with a tranquilizer gun? Do you know the proper dosage of restricted drug to inject? How are you going to transport the several-hundred-pound animal? A killing shot, followed by collecting the head and hand will provide 100% proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 land mines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zenmonkey Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Mark, Interesting....if true my take was the complete opposite! I felt like the smeja story kinda blew the whole family unit, big bad alpha will kick your butt...out the window. He shot one that ran off abandoning the two young ones and then pretty much hunted them down and killed one. Nobody came to their rescue.... Then just this past year Smeja returns to the site and sacks out, snoring no less....so much for biggie retribution. Then there is NAWAC 13 years of biggie returning to be shot at....okey dokey them there some mighty scary critters, smart too! well given the smeja story is credible. Personally i smell something fishy/crappy when it comes down to that story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airdale Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 My question is if you want a body fine but why kill it? Why not tranq it and return with it alive. The study process I think would be amazing, seeing what it eats how it sleeps maybe even its communication and learning skills. I mean we took mountain gorillas like that and study them so why must it always be death involved? This topic has been discussed at length in the N.A.W.A.C. threads and as incorrigible mentioned, even if you have the gear, drug and expert operator, there is no dosage established for the creature, which varies in size a great deal. You could easily kill it, put it down only to wake up angry as you approach and/or study it, or simply put it into a drug induced rage. There is much more than a grain of truth in the old seventies phrase, "Poppin' reds and bustin' heads!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiflier Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Hello Incorrigible1, Know anyone with a tranquilizer gun? Do you know the proper dosage of restricted drug to inject? How are you going to transport the several-hundred-pound animal?That was very clever sidestepping around Theskwerl's post. A killing shot, followed by collecting the head and hand will provide 100% proof. Obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cervelo Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 FYI I don't believe for a second that Smeja killed any Bigfoot. As well as I find the romantic notion of the Bigfoot family with the noble male guarding his family to be pure malarkey as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogluddite Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Didn't work so well when the Brits tried to capture werewolves ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TexasTracker Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Lerps were just one of the many, many, many highly trained teams. My father was a LRRP (RIP)... I personally think that one subject has NOTHING to do with the other. Shooting humans in the service of your country does not translate to hunting a sas... Why not turn to a big game hunter So, you wanna take 16 men and "insert" them into a BF habitat under the radar.... you could stop right there in all reality. I can see this will eventually end up with nothing more than a difference of opinions... Norse has already gone WAY down this road with some things very well thought out (excellent thread BTW).. Everyone that has ever entertained the idea of being pro-kill has. CG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Theskwerl Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Know anyone with a tranquilizer gun? Do you know the proper dosage of restricted drug to inject? How are you going to transport the several-hundred-pound animal? A killing shot, followed by collecting the head and hand will provide 100% proof. Ummmm...lets see..many vets own them and yes I happen to know several,also some farmers own them and you can believe if you were to get military or whoever else involved if they cant get the tranq gun then something is seriously wrong...two if you can transport a whole corpse you can transport a live one as for dosage you base the dosage on the the approximate weight and height of said ape. That can be done since its done all the time through out the world. Also tranq one, the number of samples you can take with out killing the ape is considerable, also do not forget the beginning the poster also said " IF MONEY IS NO OBJECT" then anything I said can easily be done. Collecting head and hands wouldnt be enough..science would want the entire specimen for study, head, heart, lungs, sexual organs everything. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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