Incorrigible1 Posted October 27, 2013 Posted October 27, 2013 Walk into any major university science department, plop down a bigfoot head or hand, a crapstorm of excitement would pour through the scientific world. Guess you missed my point that transporting an entire body, living or dead, is (in my opinion) an unnecessary burden. Head, hand, or both will suffice nicely.
Guest TexasTracker Posted October 27, 2013 Posted October 27, 2013 Incorrigible... Agreed... a head would serve just fine. Small enough to pack out quickly.... IF there were others BFs looking on after the killing, how do you think they would view us removing the head, or a limb?
Incorrigible1 Posted October 27, 2013 Posted October 27, 2013 Might be a good thing if there are a couple 12ga shotguns stuffed with slugs covering the event. I don't so much subscribe to the common notion that there will be hell to pay, but caution is a good thing.
Guest DWA Posted October 27, 2013 Posted October 27, 2013 Incorrigible... Agreed... a head would serve just fine. Small enough to pack out quickly.... IF there were others BFs looking on after the killing, how do you think they would view us removing the head, or a limb? The same way gorillas, chimps or other bush meat do.
Guest TexasTracker Posted October 27, 2013 Posted October 27, 2013 I think it would be viewed as "the ultimate act of aggression"... probably the same way we would view it... hence the need for a few guns facing out while someone is doing the cutting... getting out of there would be quite exciting... transmitting the entire process live after the shooting via sat phone might not be a bad idea just incase they decided to get even.. sounds like the making for a great b-movie I'm callin dibs on the idea!!!
JDL Posted October 28, 2013 Posted October 28, 2013 There's always happenstance that could result in the recovery of a bigfoot body. One person in the right place at the right time under the right circumstances. If you're talking about obtaining a body from an area occupied by a group that knows the area intimately and exercises active security, I agree it's going to take highly trained people (special ops equivalent, because that's the level of expertise they would be up against), who are well-resourced. It would also take an extremely well thought out plan and weeks of tabletop and training area exercises. If the plan doesn't take into account exceptional intelligence on the part of the squatch and assume that they are so well organized by nature, that you're effectively up against an equally or better trained group, you're going to be caught by surprise. Personally, I think its a mistake to go after them in heavily forested areas. I'd focus on isolated water sources in relatively arid areas with less forestation, such as the Eastern slopes of the Sierras and the Cascades during mid to late summer. With proper selection of the target area, it could actually be possible to have the kind of stand-off necessary to take one at a distance where they can be seen and targeted at a range beyond their awareness of the shooter. Then it is simply a matter of recovery, with a team rapidly moving in to drive off any group members and extract an immobile body. If the window is missed, daylight tracking should be possible, again with focus on locating the body and driving other group members away from it long enough to extract it. A helicopter would probably be necessary for the extraction. Yes, I've put too much thought into this, and at this point I'm struggling more with the ethics of it than the tactics and logistics.
Branco Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 Walk into any major university science department, plop down a bigfoot head or hand, a crapstorm of excitement would pour through the scientific world. Guess you missed my point that transporting an entire body, living or dead, is (in my opinion) an unnecessary burden. Head, hand, or both will suffice nicely. No university would touch it with a ten foot pole unless the parties bringing it in have not obtained a VERY special permit from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service AND a collection permit from the state in which the Specimen was obtained. The sticky part is that neither the Fed nor a State agency will issue such a permit. Any and all parts of the animal would be confiscated immediately. A Memo from the POTUS cinched that March 9, 2009.
Oonjerah Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 ^Branco, does that mean ... There is no point in Killing a Bigfoot nor in finding/excavating the body of a dead one? Does N A W A C know this? Or does it have to be done outside of the USA?
Incorrigible1 Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 Riiight. Find of a lifetime, and a university science department would turn it down. Heh!
roguefooter Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 Freeze the head, show it on YouTube, show it to the news, make it a media spectacle so everyone knows it exists. No need to take it to anyone, the scientists will come to you.
Hammer102492 Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 (edited) What if we disposed of he pro/con opinions and arguments regarding kill/no kill for the sake of discussion, and asked the question: "If a body were the only way proof could ever be obtained, what would be the single best method to employ to guarantee success, if money were no object?" I believe if you pick a very remote, but likely to contain BF area, of the PNW, and deploy several four man teams of military trained recon personnel to mountaintops by helicopter into that area, with overlapping areas of observation for each team (say 4 four man teams), you might have success. The teams would consist of a 2 man Sniper/Spotter unit and a 2 man Recovery/Security unit each, armed with appropriate night vision, thermal, spotting scopes, and standard rifles and side-arms. The teams would function in the manner LRRP teams functioned along the Ho Chi Minh trail in Viet Nam. They would eastablish an observation point, with maximun cover and concealment, and maintain 24 hour observation of the area in a rotating shift. Helicopter crews, with a separate, well armed, 4 man team of operators, would remain on standby at another location ready to deploy to the site of a downed BF at a moments notice for recovery and exfiltration with the body. They could rappel into the woods and secure the body if no landing area were close by. Properly prepared, these teams could stay in place for 2 weeks or longer at a time with minimal movement, thereby reducing the chance of alerting anyone of their presence. The area chosen would need to be extremely remote to reduce the chances of anyone else (hikers/ campers/hunters) being in the area. Please understand, I am only dealing in a "what if" scenario, and not advocating anything. I am just interested in opinions on whether anyone thinks this would work? Forget all that high tech stuff. Have you ever seen an Amish crew hunt? They just get in a line and push it. The thought about hunting the creatures as you describe reminds me of the movie, "Planet of the Apes." (no "ape" disrespect implied). Just the concept of the movie is what it seems like to me. Not a happy scene or vision for sure. Edited October 31, 2013 by Hammer102492
Hammer102492 Posted October 31, 2013 Posted October 31, 2013 The rain is starting to spit a bit. Time to bring in the American flag from the porch.
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