A Little Help/analysis Please...

[Incorrigible1]

Hmm, not a single citation from a news source regarding any of the links except for the woman killed in the Himalayas.. More unverified stories. The woman in Nepal? To some, the automatic default conclusion: Bigfoot.

Edited November 9, 2013 by Incorrigible1

[Guest]

Yea, women in Nepal is again, territorial, but most likely human, because they are all White Europeans. This does not discount the 411 type stuff of course, because these killings are revenge attacks out in the open.

[Guest SquatchinNY]

Space, is there any way you could PM me the info you've got? I would love to look into this.

 southernyahoo, in your opinion, do you think the descriptions I've relayed indicate a BF/Sasquatch? If so, I may have stumbled onto a unique area to research. Most of the people here are very poor, and not very technically adept, so I doubt any game cameras have ever been employed into this particular area.

NathanFooter, Thanks for the advice. I have no intention of revealing exact location until I gather more info at least.

Sounds very much like a squatch. Perhaps the "6-6 1/2" ones  are young that are practicing hunting skills, while the adults stay further into the woods. Sounds like you have a great spot, and I'd love to help you research if you need it. (Of course, going there in person is out of the question for me. I'm in NY, a bit of a drive from WV)

[Guest JiggyPotamus]

The majority of what you described is consistent with sasquatch behavior in general, except the killing of animals without carrying them away or eating them. I take it that you have not been able to get as many details as you would have liked, and perhaps upon further investigation more information will be gleaned on this issue. I have read of sasquatch removing certain organs, and if the carcasses were not canvassed very well this may have been overlooked by those who found the animal victims.

 

An important question in my mind is whether this was an isolated incident, or whether other animals have been killed but not consumed. If it only happened on one occasion then it may be possible the animal felt it needed to flee due to something disturbing it, or for some other reason. However, if multiple animals have been found in such a manner, then I have never heard of this associated with sasquatch before.

 

Obviously the witnesses have seen the creature, as they described it in a way that is consistent with bigfoot across North America, although the white hair is a bit rarer, but not unheard of by any means. But did they see it actually attack these animals? The woman-like screams could possibly be from the sasquatch, or they could possibly be from a mountain lion, which makes a very similar sound. Maybe that is why bigfoot make that particular sound to begin with, but that is a bit of a stretch in my opinion.

 

It seems to me that if everything you have described is accurate, then there definitely must be a sasquatch presence in the area. A sighting is good evidence, but when a sighting is accompanied by many strange events, events that are out of the ordinary for areas without sasquatch, I think it adds to the credibility of the witnesses a bit. If you would like my advice, I think you should attempt to find some type of access to these witnesses. Perhaps those who have or will talk to you can help convince others they know to do the same. Assuring them anonymity and confidentiality is essential, but you have to make sure you keep your word on that end as well. But I'm sure you know this already, lol.

 

This way you can get more information to help fit the pieces together. And something else that is of vital importance is access to a fresh animal corpse such as the one you described. Such access may help to answer some of the questions surrounding the events. And maybe a proper analysis would discount sasquatch altogether. But there are not many animals who kill just for the sake of killing. If such a thing happens it is probably due to a particular animal being mentally unstable in some manner, or perhaps because of some territorial issue, etc. I just think it is rare for such a thing to happen. Whether bigfoot would do this I do not know. It is capable, for certain, but I cannot think of a motive other than what I listed above. Animals can have psychological problems just like humans I suppose, but maybe that is going in the wrong direction with the analysis. Everything is pretty much on the table at the moment though, and various hypotheses should be methodically discounted as more information becomes available.

 

It seems you have an untapped reserve of sasquatch data nearby, if you can find some way to gain access to it. I wish you the best of luck in your endeavor, and please let us know of any information you obtain that might help explain any aspect of sasquatch nature.

[Guest]

What you describe about jumping on the backs of animals sounds like a Wampus Cat. I heard stories about them when I was a child. My father told us kids the stories/legends. And the area was South West Va.....Southern WV. Though the Wampus Cat legend is an Appalachian legend in general. A Wampus Cat would leave huge scratches down the backs of dead animals but not eat them. Also known for screaming like a woman. So those traits I have heard before. Hmmm....interesting.

The other part of what you shared that makes me take pause is the fear and staying indoors. Most of the mountain people I have known in my life aren't afraid of much....if anything. You just can't be afraid of your shadow or jump at every noise and keep your sanity in such isolated areas. So to me, that just begs the question as to what the heck are they seeing and hearing? Really, really strange....

I will ask my dad who is almost 80 and grew up in the mountains just south of the general area you are talking about. Will see if he remembers anything similar.

Edited to add: the Wampus Cat was also supposedly bipedal and around 6 foot tall in stories I heard growing up. I have often wondered if the Wampus Cat was in reality a BF?

Edited November 10, 2013 by Mockingbird

[Guest]

Mockingbird, I too have heard Wampus Cat stories from around here years ago. I had actually forgotten about that. I haven't even heard the term in probably 10 years. I think these people would've heard these stories as well, and would've referred to it as such if that's what they thought it was.

 

Jiggy, the last kill attributed to this creature was in 1992-93. People have seen and heard it since then, but no livestock or pet kills since at least then that I have heard. I am pursuing this slowly due to the nature of the witnesses involved. I will post more info as I acquire it. I am, and would be, appreciative of ANY opinions on what this might be, and any suggestions on how to pursue it further.

[Guest]

Space Cowboy.....can you tell me how "womanig" is pronounced and if that is the correct spelling? Tomorrow I want see if some of my friends well versed in Appalachian Folklore have ever heard of this term. Also have you considered checking to see if it is a Native American word?

I agree....you would think they would all be familiar with Wampus Cat and would call it that if they thought it was one. Curious how the behavior is similar though.

[Guest Cervelo]

Mockingbird, I too have heard Wampus Cat stories from around here years ago. I had actually forgotten about that. I haven't even heard the term in probably 10 years. I think these people would've heard these stories as well, and would've referred to it as such if that's what they thought it was.

Jiggy, the last kill attributed to this creature was in 1992-93. People have seen and heard it since then, but no livestock or pet kills since at least then that I have heard. I am pursuing this slowly due to the nature of the witnesses involved. I will post more info as I acquire it. I am, and would be, appreciative of ANY opinions on what this might be, and any suggestions on how to pursue it further.

Do you plan to investigate this area? (Hiking, camping, boating around the large body of water)

I'm planning on making a trip south to check out some NPs, which will most likley take me down thru southwest Va. hwy 81

When and if you feel comfortable revealing the location I'd love to check it out and your welcome to join me.

[Guest]

Mockingbird,

 

   The pronunciation would be  "WOH-man-ig". Emphasis on "Woh", with long "O" sound. Sorry, best I can do to describe it. I have not checked Native American connection. I do have a good friend who is Cherokee, and will message him to see. Thanks for the input.

 

Cervelo,

 

   I definitely plan to investigate further. I have to get  someone to allow me access across their property first. The only road in is thru a particular "holler" (the community), and large area of impassible mountain woodlands (uninhabited) surrounding it. I have studied the satellite  images of the area and it appears to be roughly 15/20x 20 miles of undeveloped wilderness in any direction from this small community. The large body of water is nearby, but not directing inside my target area. I wish I could post the satellite image, but I am wary of that at this time. I used to work close to the reported location, and I know the area has a large population of deer, bear, turkey, bobcat, coyote, and other smaller game. The support system for a BF is definitely there.

  I need to build some trust and get someone on my side of this before I go to the field. I want to narrow the focus to the best area based on eyewitnesses and other stories and so far, only one woman is co-operating with me. She promised to speak with several people this weekend and try to get someone else to talk to me. I've only been onto these stories for a week now, so I am in the first stages of this whole thing.

  Posting what I have so far was the right thing to do, as I've already gotten a lot of good ideas I hadn't thought of for further investigation.

[Guest]

Killing and not eating the kill, and even pleasure killing, are far from exclusively human traits. Bears, lions, wolves/dogs, even dolphins have been documented killing for fun. Primates, including great apes, engage in infanticide. One incident in the past 20 years doesn't corroborate a steady pattern of behavior.

[AaronD]

We don't know why these creatures kill and don't devour. It could be that they felt threatened, or were just in a bad mood and the poor little animal that got in their way was just at the wrong place at the wrong time.....they don't have the impending thread of arrest and jail to keep their impulses in check so they may kill for a variety of reasons....to say they do it for fun is speculation.

[MIB]

True enough, but to say that they don't is equally speculation. 

 

The only certainty is that we don't know.

 

As long as we are deliberate in remembering that either option is a theory and don't begin to assume its truth, I think there is value to looking at both possibilities, mixing them with what we think we know about other things, and see if there is any predictive value to either choice.   That won't answer anything either but it might suggest better questions to ask, better experiments to perform, specific evidence to seek that we might otherwise dismiss.

 

MIB

[AaronD]

True true. I watch my cat and wonder what she's thinking. Cats do strange things and who knows why! LOL

[Guest]

UPDATE:  I found this online today (I censored the location  myself). I found it on a non-BF related site and it's location is within reasonable distance to my target area.

 

"XXXXXXX Paranormal Creature

Be careful wandering near XXXXXXXXX Hollow Road in XXXXXXX County. Whatever is lurking there has supposedly made victims of several local pets.

The creature that hunters and ATV riders report seeing stalking the area is a large, 4-legged dog-like animal. But it’s not quite a dog, since it rears up and walks on hind legs, too.

It stalks after intruders, and one woman said when she noticed it from her window, it noticed back. It came up to the house, and it must have been more than curiosity, because she said it was scratching and banging the doors all night."

[AaronD]

Wish someone could get a picture of that! Sounds like one heckova story! Creeeep-pay