Guest Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I've fished the Fairford River for walleye, not too far in Manitoba from where the 1941 Sasquatch shooting was supposed to have taken place. I'm new to the forum, but I also have to wonder about how they would survive the winter in cold areas. Central Manitoba is arctic for part of the winter. Literally -40F and colder actual temperature, and much colder with "wind chill". The area is flat with no caves or rocky outcroppings. Numbers of folks snowmobile, run trap lines, etc. and don't report Bigfoot tracks in the snow that I am aware of. They would have to hibernate, migrate, or be very very tough to take these arctic temperatures for days at a time. Plus they would have to be basically sedentary in winter or their tracks would certainly be found and followed. I have no answers…just more questions…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman Posted January 31, 2014 Admin Share Posted January 31, 2014 http://m.livescience.com/33053-can-humans-hibernate-suspended-animation.html There is no reason to believe that they don't go into some sort of animated state during winter. Although I did witness tracks IMO during December . But bears are none to wake up during winter st times as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Lots of animals have adapted to cold weather with growing thicker fur in the winter. It seems reasonable that Squatches have also adapted this trait. I would think finding food in the winter would be difficult, or they could migrate to warmer and better feeding grounds in the winter. ^Good post. All mammals and birds found in colder regions have this adaptation. If Bigfoot is real, it would likely have this as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the parkie Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Hello gigantor, Not a surprising question considering the winter weather the country has been experiencing the past couple of weeks. John Green's book "Sasquatch, The Apes Among Us" didn't address the concept of a cave-dwelling Sasquatch but I think it was because the subject may have been an obscure one at best. For myself I tend to think that if caves are used they provide a temporary shelter only. There are fewer Spring time reports but even so, one would think that winter tracks would be all over the place. They're not. Is this a hibernation indicator? Most believe hibernation is not a Sasquatch characteristic. Even if it is, the reports that do have the animal walking around in winter say that a few do get out and around. I think any use of caves are a matter of necessity if they are used at all. The other day I saw an Eagle flying out over the ocean in Maine when it was 15 degrees outside. Tough bird.....HUNGRY bird! It was probably looking for fish because everything else was probably holed up somewhere. A small cave with several members of a Sasquatch group in it would be warmer than a large cave one would think so looking for the creature in large caves is more than likely a waste of time. Bats might make a tasty snack if nothing else was out and about because of deep snows. Some caves have water available in some fashion and can even be obscured accesses to aquifer systems. I think it's possible the Fouke Monster utilzed such a system.Something the NAWAC team might consider? If their set-up is in Le Flore County, they are missing a good bet if they haven't checked out some of those old abandoned drift, coal mine adits for sign of usage. There are a lot of them over there. BF have been seen entering and leaving them in one area of adjoining Scott County in AR. Ideal conditions for them to lay up in very hot weather or cold weather. In really cold weather, old timers say they have been seen leaving beds in the thickets around the vertical ventilation shafts that exit to ground level on the slopes of the ridges. Air underground a lot warmer when it's really cold outside. In hot weather it is cool as a cucumber a few hundred feet back in the shafts. The vent shafts pull air through the drifts slow enough to cool the it flowing through them. Been in some drift shafts in Scott County that had been used by something big; couldn't tell what. Hard rains lets ground water into those and washes out what little tracks are left on the bedrock. BF have been tracked in the snow into limestone caves a few times in the Ozarks. One man went inside a few yards, heard some deep, loud growls from within, and ran out. He forgot that he had ducked low rock coming in, hit it on the way out, split his scalp to the skull. (Not sure if Bobby Short got that report on her web site or not before she passed away.) Let's ask them.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the parkie Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Still think they maintain middens that evolve heat in a manner identical to a compost pile. I've always liked this theory of yours JDL. Any idea as to what sort of temperature could be achieved by one when the outdoor temperature falls to below -20C though, as has been the case recently in the US? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyO Posted January 31, 2014 SSR Team Share Posted January 31, 2014 Still no plausible hypothesis on how bigfoot survives the extreme cold.... There are plenty, whether you'd want to acknowledge them or not is completely different. Every animal on the planet has evolution give it tools that it needs to survive over time and the ones in the most brutal conditions on the planet have the more extreme tools. Sasquatch could have skin, and/or insulated hair that would be similar to the Polar Bear for example, of which no other Bear has which obviously rules out the " well no other Primate has it so....." train of thought. The hibernation/denning theory can't be ruled out too. There are just under a million Black Bear in North America of which the vast majority hibernate/den for the winter so it's no wonder that their dens are found. If you'd compare an estimated population of Sasquatches, i think we'd agree we'd be looking at somewhere around 1% of that figure or thereabouts ( 10,000 ) i don't think that specific point holds any weight. If we had a Sasquatch to look at and/or study we'd understand a bit more but we don't and as humans we instinctively think that just because we can't see, touch or feel something there is a reason for it and invariably we think the reason is is that it's not there. And that's a perfect example of how ignorant our species really is, especially towards the natural world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotter Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I hear you, but the means of survival are a big mystery if the animal exists. Bears hibernate and have shelter (dens) which we find all the time, even occupied. Not bigfoot.... Quick correction here, not all bears hibernate in dens. Some hibernate right on top of the ground with tree branches (pines come to mind) as sort of a 'nest'. I've got pics of this from last winter when my brother-in-law came across one on his pal's christmas tree farm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DWA Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Yeah, it's kinda hard to concoct a "plausible thesis" for something science refuses to accept. But this is like saying the polar bear can't exist. Um, there it is; and that the sun bear couldn't hack it in those climes doesn't matter. The evidence says sasquatch are hacking it. So they are. Confirmation of how is....kinda why we proponents would like the mainstream to get serious toward the evidence, and stop concocting "answers" we could get at cocktail parties. [upset at people not doing their job? Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah....] And I've seen several plausible hypotheses here, as has been noted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotter Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I would like to add that primates (humans) can indeed modify their temperature to counteract freezing temps. Tum-mo. http://www.omg-facts.com/Science/Some-Monks-Can-Increase-Their-Body-Tempe/51392 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DWA Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 (edited) Polar bears aren't white. They're black. While we're on remarkable ways animals stay warm. I'm not sure that sasquatch could have a cooler thermoreg system. And they wouldn't need to. Geese paddle placidly on lakes when the outside temp is around zero. How do they do that? One doesn't have to explain the thermoreg system to account for the animal. The evidence does that. Now let's confirm...then we can find out. Oh. In Manitoba: musk-ox style hair. We know from the guy that shot one, in winter, remember? (Whoops, OK, technically not winter, but come on...November in Mantioba....) Edited January 31, 2014 by DWA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DWA Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I would like to add that primates (humans) can indeed modify their temperature to counteract freezing temps. Tum-mo. http://www.omg-facts.com/Science/Some-Monks-Can-Increase-Their-Body-Tempe/51392 And of course, it does not take Advanced Intellect and The Ability To Read About Relativity to do something like that. In fact, animals do stuff just like that. Why couldn't another primate? Shoot, bears plug up their butts and sleep months without taking a crap. That's more remarkable than tum-mo. And now that I can post the link, that tangential, don't-underestimate-primates link on the golden snub-nosed monkey: http://www.arkive.org/golden-snub-nosed-monkey/rhinopithecus-roxellana/ "These monkeys produce a wide range of vocalisations often, remarkably, without making any facial movements, in the manner of a ventriloquist." And we're wondering about the simple problem of staying warm in the winter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bipedalist Posted January 31, 2014 BFF Patron Share Posted January 31, 2014 (edited) I've fished the Fairford River for walleye, not too far in Manitoba from where the 1941 Sasquatch shooting was supposed to have taken place. I'm new to the forum, but I also have to wonder about how they would survive the winter in cold areas. Central Manitoba is arctic for part of the winter. Literally -40F and colder actual temperature, and much colder with "wind chill". The area is flat with no caves or rocky outcroppings. Numbers of folks snowmobile, run trap lines, etc. and don't report Bigfoot tracks in the snow that I am aware of. They would have to hibernate, migrate, or be very very tough to take these arctic temperatures for days at a time. Plus they would have to be basically sedentary in winter or their tracks would certainly be found and followed. I have no answers…just more questions…. Meh, a Montana sighting has a tow truck driver watch a squatch drag a full grown elk by the antlers across the road down an enbankment through drifts and across countty at night in -40 below, Edited January 31, 2014 by bipedalist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCBFr Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 It cold! really, really cold! If Bigfoot were to exist, how could it survive these temperatures without clothing, shelter or fire? Not plausible IMO. That's one of the reasons why I'm surprised to find the existence of a southern skunk ape more plausible than a northern sasquatch. What do you think? Do you have a plausible hypothesis that explains how Bigfoot survives extreme weather? How did our ancestors do it 3,300 years ago? http://www.metafilter.com/119062/Otzi-was-More-Neanderthal-than-You It is a great question, but I certainly would not call it implausible as there is proof that it can be done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DWA Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Again, I have to ask. How do the known animals that brave these conditions do it? What I see here is a fundamental handicap to mainstream consideration of this topic: they can't seem to get their arms around the obvious flaws in their "apes are and always must be tropical" thesis. There is no inherent reason, from a scientific standpoint, to even be asking this question, really. The evidence says that they do it. So we need to do what we have done for all those other critters: Confirm them and find out how. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DWA Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Having lived in Manitoba all my life, animals have to be winter hardy to live here. (-34C windchill tonight) Body fat is a key component to any animal's survival. Skinny, undernourished animals will die off quickly. Shelter and food also play a key role in their survival, as the cold weather is very unforgiving. On a sad note, we had a 20 year old girl freeze to death in our city last Saturday night during a blizzard where windchill reached -48C. http://www.portagedailygraphic.com/2014/01/28/family-searches-for-answers-into-young-womans-death With two daughters of my own, that's heartbreaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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