norseman Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 ^^^^^^ Iam confused, then what was Disotell's critique about then? Or does degraded equal contaminated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 (edited) Disotell said all along he got no DNA, it was either too degraded, or didn't contain any. Then Nelson retests it with primers, and gets a human DNA, the storyline of the TV show gets edited so it sounds like it's not human. But 1 or 2 differences is still human. But they allude that it is not human. Disotell says it was probably contamination, that is why they got human DNA. No response from Nelson, but Meldrum seems to agree with Disotell's version that it was too degraded. The 'contaminated' is referring to Nelson's find of Human DNA after he removed the galvanizing agent. Edited February 5, 2014 by Drew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Urkelbot Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 (edited) Disotell said there was one differentiated base pair in the 300bp sequence. That was more or less normal between any two human beings. I think the degradation issues are why only 300bp were sequenced. If he had what he believed was primate DNA more should have been sequenced. Of interest might also be the gene or portion of DNA being sequenced, what exact base pair was different, whether that changed the amino acid coded, and if that amino acid then changes the tertiary structure of the protein. Edited February 5, 2014 by Urkelbot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiflier Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 (edited) Urkelbot, Good point. It still amazes me that after all this time and all these eyewitnessed events that this is all anyone publicly has. It doesn't make sense. Dmaker is going to love me saying that I just know it LOL. It's still nonetheless diffiult to rectify the situation in light of those in the past who were credentialed in the field like Grover Krantz. In my estimation either they do not exist, even though I think they do or......I'm going to be soon labeled a conspiracy theorist- which I HATE. I'm seriously struggling to see a middle road. I'm bordering on a new thread for discussing the "undiscussible". Edited February 5, 2014 by hiflier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 So how could Nelson be so wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incorrigible1 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Actually, we've long been there. I do have problems with somebody who laughs at folks who saw one thing when they saw...something else... My laughter/disdain is for he that proclaims himself a scientist. Hey, I'm an astronaut. I just need a rocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiflier Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 (edited) Hello Incorrigible1, And I think Sasquatch exists. I just need Sasqua........oh, nevermind! Edited February 5, 2014 by hiflier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southernyahoo Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Disotell said there was one differentiated base pair in the 300bp sequence. That was more or less normal between any two human beings. I think the degradation issues are why only 300bp were sequenced. If he had what he believed was primate DNA more should have been sequenced. Of interest might also be the gene or portion of DNA being sequenced, what exact base pair was different, whether that changed the amino acid coded, and if that amino acid then changes the tertiary structure of the protein. Urkelbot, I think it is typical to sequence a few hundred bp when doing species ID on certain mitochondrial genes like CO1. But, like you, I would want more for better resolution. Cytochrome b gene is popular too. It would be helpful if there were some benchmark deviations to distinguish between different members of the same species and different species. Scientists must have this data somewhere to do species ID in this manner at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oonjerah Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Bhutan, Snelgrove Destination truth, "The Bhutan Yeti," 4 Nov 2009 Josh Gates in Bhutan, Himalayas, on another hunt for the Yeti. Hair samples gathered during the investigation revealed DNA from an unknown primate. ^ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Destination_Truth_episodes The analysis: Josh Gates 2009 with Dr. Melba Ketchum http://www.bigfootencounters.com/interviews/gates-ketchum.htm "Unknown primate DNA" on Google : needle in a haystack. I'm looking for those with some credibility -- usually, I only reference Dr. Ketchum in my signature. ....... I did watch the show found thru Norseman's post #17, Snelgrove Lake with Curt Nelson & Jeff Meldrum. Monster Quest - Sasquatch Attack, Nov 2007. Apparently, all of you have seen it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5adeIs_7D54 I watched the whole thing. I was hopeful about the findings of Drs Nelson and Rogers. However, Drs Meldrum & Disotell were not encouraging with nothing to see there. Curt Nelson tested the DNA, said yes, Human dna, it had one nucleotide polymorphism ... that nucleotide that was different, it was one shared with chimpanzees. Hair morphology, Dr. Lynn Rogers, Wildlife Research Institute, visual examination of hair: "It looked human to me," but no medulla, uncut tapered tip. "Almost like it came from a wild human ... I'll be really interested to see what the DNA shows." Disotell: I didn't get DNA; there is no result (scroll to 39:25). Meldrum: Samples were too degraded. Has the Snelgrove cabin been revisited since 2007? These searches are time consuming. Not sure I'll keep looking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 So how could Nelson be so wrong? We don't know that Nelson was wrong. That could have been creative editing on the part of the producers. They might have said "Dr. Nelson what could one difference mean with regard to Chimps?" And he said 'Well Chimps are one point of difference from humans, but this looks like a human DNA sample, maybe from contamination' And the editors did this: 'Well Chimps are one point of difference from humans, but this looks like a human DNA sample, maybe from contamination' I don't trust professional Bigfooters too much. Two things I trust less than professional Bigfooters? Reality Show Producers, and Politicians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DWA Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 My laughter/disdain is for he that proclaims himself a scientist. Hey, I'm an astronaut. I just need a rocket. Gotta know how science works to be one. Otherwise, you're just an accomplished techie in a corner of the field, and you aren't interesting me in what you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southernyahoo Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 (edited) Bhutan, Snelgrove Destination truth, "The Bhutan Yeti," 4 Nov 2009 Josh Gates in Bhutan, Himalayas, on another hunt for the Yeti. Hair samples gathered during the investigation revealed DNA from an unknown primate. ^ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Destination_Truth_episodes The analysis: Josh Gates 2009 with Dr. Melba Ketchum http://www.bigfootencounters.com/interviews/gates-ketchum.htm "Unknown primate DNA" on Google : needle in a haystack. I'm looking for those with some credibility -- usually, I only reference Dr. Ketchum in my signature. ....... I did watch the show found thru Norseman's post #17, Snelgrove Lake with Curt Nelson & Jeff Meldrum. Monster Quest - Sasquatch Attack, Nov 2007. Apparently, all of you have seen it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5adeIs_7D54 I watched the whole thing. I was hopeful about the findings of Drs Nelson and Rogers. However, Drs Meldrum & Disotell were not encouraging with nothing to see there. Curt Nelson tested the DNA, said yes, Human dna, it had one nucleotide polymorphism ... that nucleotide that was different, it was one shared with chimpanzees. Hair morphology, Dr. Lynn Rogers, Wildlife Research Institute, visual examination of hair: "It looked human to me," but no medulla, uncut tapered tip. "Almost like it came from a wild human ... I'll be really interested to see what the DNA shows." Disotell: I didn't get DNA; there is no result (scroll to 39:25). Meldrum: Samples were too degraded. Has the Snelgrove cabin been revisited since 2007? These searches are time consuming. Not sure I'll keep looking. You did a good job there Oonjerah, Plussed. Dr. Rogers' analysis of the hair is consistent with many from Fahrenbach and I expect some of his efforts with DNA extraction. I see Meldrum siding with any interpretation that doesn't suggest BF is human. So around and round we go,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Edited February 6, 2014 by southernyahoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 SY... That hair description sounds familar to a recent batch for East TX a year ago too huh ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darrell Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 I don't trust professional Bigfooters too much. Two things I trust less than professional Bigfooters? Reality Show Producers, and Politicians True Dat!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DWA Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 it would be cool for the field if there were now, or had ever been, such a thing as a 'professional Bigfooter'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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