Guest DWA Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 Well, what I say is: human movement/human proportion/zero backstory? Toss. I have a feeling that no one is gonna show me a video with P/G clarity that's problematical for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman Posted February 11, 2014 Author Share Posted February 11, 2014 ^^^^ Without examining the film site? We cannot deduce things like size or length of stride. I have a feeling no video would do it for you over the PGF....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DWA Posted February 11, 2014 Share Posted February 11, 2014 ^^^None would that I have seen. The candidates for possibility I listed further up this thread? P/G stands alone among them. And I'm not talking about so much length of stride as I am: does it look/walk like a human? Patty doesn't; it's subtle but I never saw a human proportioned like that or walking like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 ^^^^ Without examining the film site? We cannot deduce things like size or length of stride. I have a feeling no video would do it for you over the PGF....... If crystal clear, close up, day-time footage of more than a few seconds ever comes to light, it would convince me and alot of other people. I don't buy that a very convincing fake can be done with CGI or even an elaborate suit, if so, why haven't we seen any (other than the Patterson Footage, if indeed that is a hoax, which I question). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman Posted February 12, 2014 Author Share Posted February 12, 2014 I think if we examine the PGF with unbias? Most do not find it "convincing", it really comes down to individual opinion obviously. But I think truthfully the consensus is fake. So with that said knowing all of the things we do about the PGF? I don't think a film in the future stands a chance if you do not reveal the film site to someone. But in reality I don't hold out much hope either way. So I guess we are just going to be stuck guessing and it's why I think anymore we just dismiss convincing film offhand in a knee jerk reaction of sorts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oonjerah Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Biped Zoo Gorilla Throws Light on Filmstar Patty http://frontiersofzoology.blogspot.com/2012/01/biped-zoo-gorilla-throws-light-on.html "This unusual behaviour for a gorilla does afford us one important feature in a Cryptozoological sense: we can compare how Ambam looks walking upright to the longer-legged Sasquatch filmed by Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin in 1967, "Patty" "Many viewers note that "Patty's" top part looks overall like a gorilla and often skeptics use this to say that Patty's anatomy is impossible since Gorillas are not capable of walking upright, their center off gravty is too low (Napier ... " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 (edited) If the Patterson footage was just a little more clear, it would be "convincing" either way, either as a hoax or the real thing. As I said, if footage is crystal clear, I think it would be obvious if it were hoaxed or not. Edited February 12, 2014 by barncat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 I would guess that the reason most people think the Patterson footage was hoaxed is simply because they "know" that a creature like that can't exist, not because of the appearance of the subject in the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman Posted February 12, 2014 Author Share Posted February 12, 2014 ^^^^^ Not true. Early skeptics declared it a hoax because she seems to have screwed up attributes aka apes do not have breasts, females apes lack crests so on and so forth. To them she resembled a mixed bag of parts assembled wrong. And many people say it screams man in suit. I disagree obviously but it is what it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC witness Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 (edited) @Oonjerah That gorrilla clip is very enlightening. The posture is extremely "Patty-like", and other than the leg length, the sequence is strikingly similar. Great find! Edited February 12, 2014 by BC witness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oonjerah Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 BC, Thanks. It popped up while I was looking for something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD-40 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Biped Zoo Gorilla Throws Light on Filmstar Patty http://frontiersofzoology.blogspot.com/2012/01/biped-zoo-gorilla-throws-light-on.html "This unusual behaviour for a gorilla does afford us one important feature in a Cryptozoological sense: we can compare how Ambam looks walking upright to the longer-legged Sasquatch filmed by Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin in 1967, "Patty" "Many viewers note that "Patty's" top part looks overall like a gorilla and often skeptics use this to say that Patty's anatomy is impossible since Gorillas are not capable of walking upright, their center off gravty is too low (Napier ... " That is interesting. You should have started a new thread with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DWA Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 To me, the film itself is adequate to answer Napier's issues, which I never thought were science-based. Shoot, one could deny the duck-billed platypus forever with that approach! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oonjerah Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 The duck-billed platypus : one of the cutest creatures I've ever seen. I enjoy pretending that they are still a cryptid ... in the northern hemisphere. I see it as a lesson in intellectual humility: "Pay attention, kids, because ... You - Don't - Know - What's - Possible!" Gorillas that walk erect, like Patty -- instead of men, an interesting surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 I usually base my opinions about a video on how the subject moves. I have some experience watching animals and have learned that large massive animals move differently from smaller and less massive ones. If the subject doesn't show the effects of inertia that I would expect from a large animal but more in keeping with a human then I usually just assume human. I also assume human if the subject is wandering aimlessly as wild animals travel directly and with purpose. They know where they're going. Real wild animals also keep watch around them but don't sweat small stuff. Real animals walk through briar patches. Humans walk around them. Wild animals also don't run without purpose. They conserve their energy. And large animals that can defend themselves walk away slowly. When they run, they run FAST!! Not the paltry, half-hearted "running" you see in some of these videos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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