Guest LarryP Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 ^I don't buy the conspiracy theories at all. There is no hard evidence for any of it, just old newspaper articles based on he said/she said, stories of written letters, assumptions, speculation, etc. The reasons for these conspiracy theories are always about a threat or prevention of the rewriting of history or beliefs. Yet things like the Heavener Runestones in Oklahoma, Kennewick Man, Dead Sea Scrolls, all of which are highly controversial, are available for anybody to see. Do a Google search for "Smithsonian controversy" and you'll see that they have been under fire for controversial displays and content many times over the years, hardly some Men In Black institute of controversial cover ups. People want to believe there's some Indiana Jones giant warehouse full of secrets run by the Smithsonian or the Vatican, but really they're just people that need that mystery in their lives. Even our own Government can't keep it's secrets nowadays because it only takes one single employee to think something is so important that the people should know. There's no theory involved, rogue. It is a well known fact that the Smithsonian gathered up bones that were never put on display. Shell out the $20.00 to See-Te-Cah and enter the Tar Pit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguefooter Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 (edited) ^We're talking about a Smithsonian cover up and discarding of super giant human bones, not just any bones. There are no facts to this conspiracy theory. "Well known" does not equal fact, nor do old newspaper/gossip articles. It's just another exciting story and unverifiable explanation to add to Bigfoot's resume. The tallest proven person to ever live was about 9 feet tall, so any taller than that is hearsay. Without proof of existence of these super giant bones, there is no way to even verify the primary element of the story. Edited April 10, 2014 by roguefooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguefooter Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Just adding to the above, here is a list of the tallest known people. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_people So if we know humans can grow within that range then it doesn't necessarily support the idea of it being a Bigfoot. Taller than that would be another story, but so far there is nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LarryP Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 No one said they discarded them. But avid establishment defenders with strong opinions like yourself, are just what the Smithsonian counts on. I'll defer to JDL and Aaron on this subject. As they've done much more research on this topic than I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDL Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 ^We're talking about a Smithsonian cover up and discarding of super giant human bones, not just any bones. There are no facts to this conspiracy theory. "Well known" does not equal fact, nor do old newspaper/gossip articles. It's just another exciting story and unverifiable explanation to add to Bigfoot's resume. The tallest proven person to ever live was about 9 feet tall, so any taller than that is hearsay. Without proof of existence of these super giant bones, there is no way to even verify the primary element of the story. I guess you missed the discussion of the Powell Doctrine adopted by the Smithsonian after the Civil War. Read Powell's first annual report after he was installed as the first Director of the newly formed Bureau of Ethnology. With it he initiates a policy of minimalizing research into mound excavations in specific and Native American culture in general, because he did not like the conclusions researchers were developing that there was significant pre-Columbian intercourse between Europe and the indigenous tribes. This thread will get you started. The Powell Doctrine is discussed on Page 9. http://bigfootforums.com/index.php/topic/42772-possibility-of-large-bones-being-found-in-north-america/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotter Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^That. Additionally, it's not a conspiracy if they come right out and say it. It's denial to say they didn't/don't do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alex MW Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 I personally think there are a LOT more than 5000 bigfoot/sasquatch in North America. They greatly outnumber bears in much of the U.S. Coonbo, I agree with you but may even take it to the extreme. I personally think the bigs number in the millions. There are billions of acres out there both private and public acreage. Surely they number in the millions. Even if you took a total sightings number and divided it by the random chance that you'd see a bigfoot 1-2 % at best, you'd end up in the millions. For example, total unique sightings of 20,000/.02 = 1 MM I think 2% chance is pretty darn high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incorrigible1 Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Alex, in your estimation are the bigfoot corporeal, physical creatures? If so, how then to explain the utter lack of physical remains? Per you and Coonbo, it seems one couldn't swing a dead cat without striking one of the creatures. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmaker Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Coonbo, I agree with you but may even take it to the extreme. I personally think the bigs number in the millions. There are billions of acres out there both private and public acreage. Surely they number in the millions. Even if you took a total sightings number and divided it by the random chance that you'd see a bigfoot 1-2 % at best, you'd end up in the millions. For example, total unique sightings of 20,000/.02 = 1 MM I think 2% chance is pretty darn high. How many millions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alex MW Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 (edited) Incorrigible, if they were that rare, I wouldn't hear the multitudes of wood knock, bigfoot howls and so on in so many areas. Think about it. 5000 bigfoot in billions of acres is the equivalent of finding a needle in a haystack. How would you explain the multitudes of collective audio in this field if they were that rare. They are not. If they were that rare, how would you explain the multitudes of eyewitness accounts all over the US...that would mean that we actually spotted 100% of them...fat chance. I mean it's just logic. Think about how many account are not reported officially including multitudes of my own. And with me having seen that many (as well as Coonbo and others), that would mean we're hitting the lottery collectively all the time...again statistically improbable. Personally, I believe there to be at least 5 million and probably much more. Edited April 10, 2014 by Alex MW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohiobill Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 Alex, what number are you thinking of when you say probably much more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotter Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 *watching the sharks circle* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alex MW Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 (edited) Actually let me correct myself. US total land is 2.3 billion. Protected forest land is 700 MM and they say roughly 500 MM (additional) are in the hands of private individuals or corps. So let's say 1.2 Billion acres. If you divide 5 MM bigfoot into that 1.2 Billion acres, you get 240 acres per bigfoot. I still don't think they're accounting for farm land and other land that's large tracks and privately owned. Anyway, 5MM may be pushing them mark but I still think it's very doable. They are resourceful beings. EDITED: ACTUALLY I THINK 1-2 MM IS PROBABLY A PRETTY GOOD GUESS. 5 MM MAY BE A TAD OVERZEALOUS. STILL A HELL OF A LOT MORE THAN WHAT THE "AUTHORITIES" IN THIS FIELD WOULD HAVE YOU BELIEVE (E.G. 5000) Edited April 10, 2014 by Alex MW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incorrigible1 Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 I respect your opinion of the large numbers of the creature, yet you didn't answer my query as to if you believe them physical creatures, and if so, why the lack of remains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 10, 2014 Share Posted April 10, 2014 (edited) For reasons Alex MW explained I have to agree that there would be alot more than 5000 scattered across this continent not sure about millions but would have to venture the US population could likely be in the tens of thousands. In depth experience and research by a myriad of my fellow folks to the North in Oklahoma have considered the Okie state alone likely several thousand of these boogers so if you just look at the ARLATXOK 4 states together you would probably be in the ten thousand range already possibly but that speculation on my part already. We have a very thorough sightings map for Oklahoma alone that has already exceed 1000+ reports Edited April 10, 2014 by GEARMAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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