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[JDL]

There is no link between Bigfoot, tall Native bones, and the Smithsonian. There is zero factual evidence or information in regards to that.

 

False statement.  And I have already provided you with the reference, which you have clearly ignored.

 

 

I reassert that you are difficult to engage on a logical basis because you simply reiterate your beliefs without taking the time to review the material provided.

 

And I wish you'd quit sticking your tongue out at us.

[roguefooter]

^I take it you mean the Native-Smithsonian connection again? That's not what I was referring to.

 

I mean there is no connection between Bigfoot and tall Native American bones, or any Bigfoot bone connection to the Smithsonian.

 

 

^^ Do you have evidence to support that latter claim?

 

That would be proving a negative. Any assertion of there being a link would be the one that requires the evidence, which there is none.

 

 

And I wish you'd quit sticking your tongue out at us.

 

 

You just keep running and don't worry about it.

Edited April 12, 2014 by roguefooter

[JDL]

There is a connection between large skeletons of unknown classification and the Smithsonian.  Some of these may be bigfoot, but until they have been examined we will won't know for sure, and you cannot factually assert that none of them are without examination.  Again you have the reference.  Have you read it?

[Guest Stan Norton]

So those nasty scientists at the Smithsonian hid an artefact that proves the theory of an Atlantic entry into North America until those good guys at the silly TV show found the truth? Despite that theory having been openly discussed and theorised and discussed in papers, including by researchers at the Smithsonian, for over 15 years? Wow. Deep man, deep. Its worse than I thought! Maybe von Danniken was right all along??!

Crikey. Come off it.

Edited April 12, 2014 by Stan Norton

[JDL]

I didn't say that they hadn't published it before.  In fact that was discussed on the show itself.  It was simply the first I had heard about it, and you have to admit, that more people probably learned of it from the show, than from the publications.

And read the referenced book regarding the materials that Smithsonian has acquired in the past, that have simply not been heard about again.

 

This isn't conspiracy theory.  The Powell Doctrine is fact.

 

 

In reading about the Powell Doctrine on pages 5 - 12, the dismissal of American archeological finds seems pretty overt.

For those who don't yet have the book, Major John Wesley Powell was a geologist and explorer. After the Civil War, he occupied himself by exploring, most notably the Colorado River from Wyoming to the end of the Grand Canyon. His expedition, as the first to officially explore the Grand Canyon, complete with a photographic record, was famous. In 1879, Powell was appointed as head of the Smithsonian's new Bureau of Ethnology, and held that position until his death in 1902.

Powell's first report to the Secretary of the Smithsonian was titled "On Limitations to the Use of Some Anthropologic Data". In it he commented that "the uses to which the material has been put have not always been wise". Up until then such material had been shared freely without restriction, to include the conclusions of those researching the material, who frequently theorized, based on the artifacts they were finding, that there had been contact between ancient cultures from Europe and the Mediterranean, and the Americas. Powell specifically objected to the use of the information to connect Native American culture to "...so-called races of antiquity in other portions of the world".

I don't want to stray into political or religious ground here, but I will point out for purely historical context that at that time there was a rapidly growing religion based in the American West founded upon the belief that there had been contact between Native Americans and a person of antiquity from another portion of the world. Also, the concept of manifest destiny was in full bloom, which was, in part, predicated on the right to displace "primitive" native cultures. The author suggests that Powell did not want to elevate the status of Native Americans by promoting contact with, or descent from "lost tribes". Powell himself states that "...there is no need to search for extra-limital origin through lost tribes...". He then singles out artifacts that he considers primitive from the American Southwest and states that it is improbable that anything found anywhere else in America would be any more valuable.

One of Powell's statements that I find most damning is "A brief review of some conclusions that must be accepted in the present status of the science will exhibit the futility of these attempts.", (connecting Native American culture to contact with "so-called races of antiquity"). Note that his statement is heavily qualified by a "brief" review of "some" conclusions that "must be accepted" in the "present" status of the science to pronounce such study "futile". This subjective position is not in consonance with the Smithsonian's original objective purpose to "increase the diffusion of knowledge among men". The statement is also self-contradicting because it refers to the "present status of the science", but hampers its advancement by subjectively limiting further study in certain areas. If what he believed to be futile is futile, then it would prove itself futile on its own.

The "Powell Doctrine" remains in force today even as contact with some of those races of antiquity becomes increasingly evident.

 

Edited April 12, 2014 by JDL

[roguefooter]

There is a connection between large skeletons of unknown classification and the Smithsonian.  Some of these may be bigfoot, but until they have been examined we will won't know for sure, and you cannot factually assert that none of them are without examination.  Again you have the reference.  Have you read it?

 

Which reference are you talking about? The Large Bones thread or Powell's Limitations report? I read them.

Edited April 12, 2014 by roguefooter

[AaronD]

 

I mean there is no connection between Bigfoot and tall Native American bones, or any Bigfoot bone connection to the Smithsonian.

 

You seem pretty sure about that; however, I am not. For starters, those  tall Native American bones may not be "Indians" at all, they may well be the sasquatches we've been crying for forever. A race of giants, or large humans living in the wild would adapt to the environment and I have little trouble believing their bodies would grow hair over centuries. And the smithsonian is indeed related to it all because it's their status quo brainchild that stands to suffer if it were all brought to light--so yes there is a connection! But hey, I'm just one little guy in a minority camp who believes that squatches are not apes, but  people. In fact, only a handful of people agree with me; Bob Gimlin comes to mind......

[Incorrigible1]

 Maybe von Danniken was right all along??!

 

Thanks, Stan. I was also picturing von Danniken in this discussion. After all, he's had books published! Next, we need the guy with the funky straight-up hair to proclaim "It's bigfoot!"

[Guest LarryP]

So those nasty scientists at the Smithsonian hid an artefact that proves the theory of an Atlantic entry into North America until those good guys at the silly TV show found the truth? Despite that theory having been openly discussed and theorised and discussed in papers, including by researchers at the Smithsonian, for over 15 years? Wow. Deep man, deep. Its worse than I thought! Maybe von Danniken was right all along??!

 

 

It's von Daniken.

 

And you're in the baby pool. So "deep" is going to be impossible to come by until you learn how to swim without flotation devices.

[See-Te-Cah NC]

[JDL]

Which reference are you talking about? The Large Bones thread or Powell's Limitations report? I read them.

 

Yet again, this book.  It is very well documented http://www.amazon.com/Ancient-Giants-Who-Ruled-America-ebook/dp/B00HDGKYS2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1397312622&sr=8-1&keywords=giants+america

 

Thanks, Stan. I was also picturing von Danniken in this discussion. After all, he's had books published! Next, we need the guy with the funky straight-up hair to proclaim "It's bigfoot!"

 

I fail to see what this has to do with von Daniken.  I do not ascribe to any connection between Bigfoot and UFO's or Ancient Aliens.  You may feel free to associate the topics, but I have never seen anything that would compel me to do so.

 

In my opinion, the use of the word "giant" to describe remains is problematic because it is both non-specific and has taken on a sensationalist connotation.  Actual size should be used instead.

 

Logic:

 

1.  Three mummified Si-Teh-Cah skeletons from a Cave near Walker Lake, Nevada were on display in Virginia City, Nevada for decades.

2.  I personally viewed them multiple times.

3.  Other mummified skeletons of the same people were found in Lovelock Cave, Nevada.

4.  It is highly unlikely that this tall race of Native Americans was confined to a few dozen individuals living in two caves in Nevada.

5.  One would expect to find such remains in other areas of America.

6.  Large remains of similar description have been reported to be found throughout America.

7.  The Smithsonian has been connected to several of these finds.

8.  Thomas Powell, the head of the Smithsonian's Bureau of Ethnology is on record setting a policy "On Limitations to the Use of Some Anthropologic Data".  This is the actual title he gave it and is in direct contradiction to the stated objective of the Smithsonian to broaden the diffusion of knowledge among men.

9.  Thomas Powell was concerned that Native American anthropological finds would be used "unwisely", in his view, to connect Native American culture to "...so-called races of antiquity in other portions of the world".  Powell's words again.

10.  Powell was specifically concerned about anything that might link Native Americans to popular theological origins, which might engender positive public perception.  Evidence of "giants in the earth" in America, qualified, and worse, the commonly accepted theological origin of such giants was also problematic to him.

11.  Sensational title aside, the book referenced above documents the collection of such remains by the Smithsonian.

12.  There is no accounting regarding the large remains that the Smithsonian collected, and the Powell Doctrine specifies that the use of such remains should be "limited".

13.  It is reasonable to conclude that use of any such remains in the possession of the Smithsonian has indeed been "limited".  They probably have not actually been destroyed, but they are probably deeply buried within the Smithsonian.

14.  It is possible that the large remains collected include both Bigfoot and members of the race of exceptionally tall humans.

 

Where is my logic flawed here?

[Guest Stan Norton]

It's von Daniken.

And you're in the baby pool. So "deep" is going to be impossible to come by until you learn how to swim without flotation devices.

I like to think I've had a nice swim and am relaxing at the edge with a cool beer, watching the world go by and wondering why folks have to make such a meal of everything.

[JDL]

You're really there just to check out the moms, aren't you?

[Guest LarryP]

As I have mentioned here before, the Smithsonian recently told one of their affiliates the NATM (National Atomic Testing Museum) that it was not allowed to use the Smithsonian name affiliation because the NATM was hosting a panel on UFO's and said "We do not discuss UFOs and intergalactic space travel at the Smithsonian".

 

However they had to backtrack when the Curator of the NATM reminded them that the Smithsonian had sponsored a UFO Symposium at its Museum of Natural History on Sept. 6, 1980.

 

So the Smithsonian has been well known for having convenient memory loss whenever it suits their purposes.

Just stay away from the deep end, Stan.

[salubrious]

 

That would be proving a negative. Any assertion of there being a link would be the one that requires the evidence, which there is none.

 

Really? It was stated as if was a fact. Here's your statement:

 

There is no link between Bigfoot, tall Native bones, and the Smithsonian. There is zero factual evidence or information in regards to that.

 

Without some sort of substantiation, this would appear to be opinion.